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Is it worth it to go for Paul now?
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JimboJones
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7/23/2010  8:49 PM
I created this account years ago but I'm not sure if I ever posted. Most of you don't know me, but TMS and AllanFan might know me as Strider. Yes, gasp. I've been reading stuff on here quite a bit during the offseason and I figured I'd post something since everyone's caught up in the CP3 stuff right now and my opinion is be a little different.

I have my doubts that Paul gets traded at all this season (with two years left on his deal) and I highly doubt he'll be moved before the season. For one, with the emergence of Collison, the Hornets might think they've got a lethal point guard tandem and with a healthy Paul, they could make some noise. They won't, but front offices tend to be optimistic; at least optimistic about their chances of fooling their fans into optimism. Also, teams interested in CP3 might want to see him play a month or so in the regular season and find out if he's fully recovered from the knee surgery. I'd want to see that, too. The Knicks brass should want to see what this group can do and how Felton handles the offense before making such a huge, roster-shaking move. Felton's now out of Larry Brown's bull**** offense and will be allowed to push the rock and create here, so you can expect his numbers to go up. If he can be a 15-point, 8-assist guy -- which is reasonable -- then the bigger area of need would be a dominant scorer. In that case, they'd be better off using their chips on Carmelo. The worst thing would be if they traded for Paul now, a month into the season he's not playing like his 2007-2009 self and they can't get Carmelo because they're cap-screwed with Okafor. Evidence from the last decade makes that possiblity easy to imagine. So although it would create a huge buzz and up the excitement level for opening night, I think the prudent thing would be for the Knicks to wait.

And, really, the more I think about it, the more I lean towards Carmelo. I mean, he at least has some leverage. He can decline the extension and leave after this season. If he's adamant about not re-signing, that puts some pressure on the Nuggets to get something for him this year. The Hornets have Paul on lock for two years, so they don't have to do anything soon. Even if he's unhappy, he's still going to ball. He's their only draw to the arena, so they could milk that for another year then move him in 2011. There's also the longevity factor. Small point guards who rely heavily on speed and quickness usually don't have a long prime. It's like 20 to 29. The guys Paul most compares to are Isiah and Kevin Johnson, and both of them were done at like 32. Paul, at 25, has already had knee problems. Carmelo's game is more about strength and skill than athleticism, so he might be able to maintain his level for longer. If in a few months Carmelo refuses to sign the extension and makes a stink -- pretty much puts himself where Paul is now -- I think he'd be more likely to get moved. I think the Knicks should at least wait to see if that happens, then there'd be a choice of who to pursue. I don't think the Hornets are in a rush to deal Paul, and if they want to make a move, I think the Knicks have the sweetest pot to offer so they might be willing to wait for Walsh.

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TMS
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7/23/2010  8:54 PM
what happened dude? the Big Asses Sports forum close down? lol.

welcome to UK... good to see an old familiar face.

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simrud
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7/23/2010  8:56 PM
I agree 100%. This is not the year for us to push for Paul.
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7/23/2010  9:04 PM
If he is healthy and he is available then you get him.

Now you have arguably the best PF and best PG in the East if not the League during stretches of time.

OF COURSE you get him. Even if it means Okafor and goodbye to Melo. You still do this.

Who wouldn't want two superstars on this team? Come'on now. This simply comes down to Paul's health. And damn if Okafur were healthy again we're really looking good.

Unless the demands are obscene or the health of Paul is questionable - you pull the damn trigger.

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jazz74
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7/23/2010  9:05 PM
yes, it is.
scoshin
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7/23/2010  10:09 PM
Cosmic wrote:If he is healthy and he is available then you get him.

Now you have arguably the best PF and best PG in the East if not the League during stretches of time.

OF COURSE you get him. Even if it means Okafor and goodbye to Melo. You still do this.

Who wouldn't want two superstars on this team? Come'on now. This simply comes down to Paul's health. And damn if Okafur were healthy again we're really looking good.

Unless the demands are obscene or the health of Paul is questionable - you pull the damn trigger.

Agreed completely.

Paul is getting way underrated, and/or Felton overrated on these boards. We're talking about a PG who lead a Hornets team to 56 wins in the stacked West two years ago, with a supporting cast of David "Amare-lite" West, Tyson Chandler, and a 31-yr old Peja. He was 2nd in MVP voting, 2nd in PER. He shoots near 50% as a point guard, averages 11 assists with over a 4.0 A/TO ratio. He has a great handle, a lethal first step, and a court vision that is on par with Jason Kidd in his prime. This is a PG that actually does make the scrubs around him a lot better, unlike our last "superstar" PG in Marbury.

We have the assets to really get a deal done, for once in Knick history, and we can't let that opportunity pass by because we're too tied with Anthony "I-haven't-played-a-game-in-a-Knick-uniform" Randolph.

JimboJones
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7/23/2010  10:09 PM
TMS wrote:what happened dude? the Big Asses Sports forum close down? lol.

welcome to UK... good to see an old familiar face.

Wuh? There are quite a few big asses sites I visit and some other sports forums, but generally, the twain have not met... I'm good, man. How you been?

Now you have arguably the best PF and best PG in the East if not the League during stretches of time.
OF COURSE you get him. Even if it means Okafor and goodbye to Melo. You still do this. Who wouldn't want two superstars on this team?

I understand that. But right now, you DON'T know how healthy Chris Paul is. We assume he's OK since he came back and played down the stretch of last season and we haven't heard any reports of setbacks this offseason. But we haven't seen him ball like he did two years ago and what we're going on is what he did pre-injury. A speedy point guard with a bad knee can be trouble. You also DON'T know how well Ray Felton will do in this system. Like I said, if he's putting up 15/8, which isn't too much to expect, point guard isn't a position of need. Especially since you'd already have Felton under a very reasonable contract. If that happens, it would make more sense to go after an elite scorer instead of using up all the resources to try and strengthen an area that isn't weak. If Felton can give you that, Paul wouldn't be enough of an upgrade over him to give up the entire roster and handcuff yourself from signing any future free agents. If Felton is a 15/8 guy, a combination of him, Amar'e and Carmelo is more potent than Amar'e and CP3. That's why I said I want to see what Felton is capable of and have Paul prove that he's back to form before pulling off a trade that'd strip the roster. Gung-ho moves like this (what it could potentially be) have backfired before. I don't see what would be wrong in waiting until November to get a better idea of what's what.

I also think the Nuggets would demand less for Melo than the Hornets will for Paul since Melo's got only a year left on his contract. If he refuses to sign the extension, Denver will be under some pressure to trade him this year. The Hornets have Paul for two more years and don't have to acquiesce, meaning it might take a blow-away offer to compel them. In going after Melo, I think the Knicks would have a better chance of holding on to some of their assets. Plus the contract the Nuggets would probably want to dump on them is Nene's. He's got $11 million coming this year and a player option for another $11M in 2011 (which he'll almost certainly pick up). That's less cumbersome than Okafor's.

The Knicks wouldn't have two superstars, by the way. I agree that Amar'e is the best power forward in the East (I think he's better than Bosh), but he isn't a superstar.

Is it worth it to go for Paul now?

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