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BRIGGS
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7/22/2010  6:10 PM
Im using Ray Felton numbers last year combined with Charlotte's and NY output and adding in what I feel our team is reasonable capable of achieving

Ny Knick offensive output 2009-2010 102.4 Charlotte 95.3 My projection for NY in 2010 is 112 per game or roughly an 18% increase from Charlotte's out put last year

Rays numbers last year 33 12.1 5.6 3.6 per 40 were at 15.9 7.6 4.9X 18%

==18.8 8.9 5.7

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7/22/2010  6:16 PM
Felton can be excellent in this offense. Our weakness is SG, not PG. Felton is experienced and led Charlotte to the playoffs last year. I'm glad we signed him.
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7/22/2010  6:17 PM
Briggs is the new Hollinger.
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7/22/2010  6:43 PM
That's why I'm against this Chris Paul deal....you don't put all your chips on a pg....Felton is the next tier blow....next year his production could rival
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7/22/2010  6:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2010  7:00 PM

You do know you are talking about Raymond Felton right?

Im expecting an EFFICIENT 15pts and 7asts

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7/22/2010  7:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2010  7:07 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Im using Ray Felton numbers last year combined with Charlotte's and NY output and adding in what I feel our team is reasonable capable of achieving

Ny Knick offensive output 2009-2010 102.4 Charlotte 95.3 My projection for NY in 2010 is 112 per game or roughly an 18% increase from Charlotte's out put last year

Rays numbers last year 33 12.1 5.6 3.6 per 40 were at 15.9 7.6 4.9X 18%

==18.8 8.9 5.7

I am in complete agreement with your argument for holding our cards but this is analysis is a wee bit generous. PHX led the league in scoring last year with 110.2/game. If we can do 112 that is going to be smoking.

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7/22/2010  7:08 PM
AnubisADL wrote:

You do know you are talking about Raymond Felton right?

Im expecting an EFFICIENT 15pts and 7asts

You are expecting correctly....this dude isn't Chris duhon. Felton solidifies the pg slot. Knicks have a need at shooting guard. I'd rather upgrade there using the chips the Knicks have.

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7/22/2010  8:00 PM
Felton Should do very well in NY. He's going to naturally show better numbers due to our pace and our team being full of scorers inside and out. He's never had this many options to get easy scores. He won't be worn down by grinding to score every single point. This style is more instinctual and reactionary. Playing for LB is like playing Chess. You are almost always going against a set defense and you really don't have as many opportunities to be creative.

I believe that since he was initially successful on College playing in a fast paced system, he's already shown that he can think quickly, which is very important for any PG playing for MDA. 18/8 is pretty much what i'd expect, but he could easily get more assists on this team. I just don't think he'll hold the ball as much as Nash does, which is why he ends up with so many assists. No one else on the Suns is even close to Nash in terms of assists. Here we have spread the assists around much better. I expect that to continue, cuz Nash and CP3 are the only PG's i'd let hog the ball and make 75% of the plays.

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7/22/2010  8:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2010  10:10 PM
I'm really excited about Felton -- everything you ever read says that Felton doesn't belong in the same class as D-Will & CP3...Now that may be true but everytime I see Ray play, he impresses me immensely with his talent. Ray's always gonna be be compared to these two seeing as they all went close to each other in the draft a few years ago..I just don't think that's fair -- let's just let Ray be Ray..He's good enough on his own..Like I said the other day, he's a MAJOR upgrade over any PG we've had recently and probably the best PG this city's had since Derek Harper, and Mark Jackson/Rod Strickland before that..He's not exactly a guy I'd necessarily be thinking about upgrading...I might be in the minority here but I might wait on making a trade for Paul right now. Definitely not interested in totally emptying out the cupboard to get him..I kinda like what we have right now and I'm curious to see how it all works before we mess with it...Any trade for Paul would have to involve a hefty package starting with Felton & probably Gallo plus whatever else (again, minority view but I'd prefer to hold onto Randolph over Gallo if it ever came down to it)..Not saying Paul wouldn't be worth it, he probably would be--the man's a great PG, but I just assume wait on this for the time being. Felton/Gallo is a lot to give up and might be more valueable to us in the long run than Paul by himself...A few of you are predicting a spike in production for Felton in NY and I agree..Say Ray goes for something close to 17 & 8 with good chemistry and the team's starts winning --- would CP3 be that much of an upgrade over that?? I don't know..Maybe, but maybe not..Call me nuts but I'm not sure emptying the cupboard before we even know what we have here is the right move at this moment.

No doubt we could give Ray a little help though (I'm just not sold on TD as a backup and definitely wouldn't feel good about the situation should Douglas ever have to take over fulltime for some reason God forbid)..I still think Patty Mills is the best option for us right now..We need to sign this kid to an offer sheet and then see what Portland does. They might conceed this player to us seeing how their backcourt is pretty much set. I truly believe that we could steal a young very talented PG talent right now with this guy..The backup PG/SG and big forward spots should be filled by Mills, Sylven Landesberg and Wayne Chism. Three no-brainers for me..They'd be perfect additions -- 3 young talents with very good promise and negligible cap impact..I can't believe we're not hearing that the Knicks have interest in any of these guys. I'd be all over these three if I were Donnie. We should be able to get all three guys in here with the limited cap room we have leftover (and if it involved letting go of Andy Rautins, you do it. Sorry but Rautins is not a better prospect than Mills, Landesberg or Chism imo). I love Landesberg and think he's a true big SG with a very bright future but based on Fields' strong play in SL, I want that kid to play eventually. The last thing I would want to do is bury Fields, though if viable, I'd still add Landesberg as well. You can never have enough talent...So maybe backup PG and another skilled big forward for added depth are the more important spots to fill right now. Mills' talent speaks for itself imho and Wayne Chism is a younger, probably better version of Anthony Tolliver, a player we're supposedly interested in. Tolliver had some success last year and is gonna look to get compensated accordingly. I like Tolliver and can see why they're interested but why overpay for him when you can get Chism for less??

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7/22/2010  8:26 PM
15 and 7 is the bottom of the range. I think these numbers are almost guaranteed from him. Exactly why we should not be trading for Paul, rather use the assets to someone like Carmelo.
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7/22/2010  8:31 PM
Nash was 16/11. Just saying.
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7/22/2010  8:48 PM
Paul is better then nash, he plays in this system, we will win 55+ games easy, come playoff time, when depth and length matter the most, will get bounced out in the 2nd rnd or ECF.

I would love to have the guy, but not at the expense of our depth, not to mention our flexibilty.

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7/22/2010  8:55 PM
simrud wrote:15 and 7 is the bottom of the range. I think these numbers are almost guaranteed from him. Exactly why we should not be trading for Paul, rather use the assets to someone like Carmelo.

Is D'Antoni's system going to magically make Felton a good outside shooter ? I doubt it. Felton could stand to lose some weight as well.

More possessions might expose him as a TO machine.

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7/22/2010  9:02 PM
15 and 7 sounds reasonable to me. Felton isn't Chris Paul or Deron on the one hand, but he's an upgrade over who we previously had.
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7/22/2010  9:03 PM
Ira wrote:15 and 7 sounds reasonable to me. Felton isn't Chris Paul or Deron on the one hand, but he's an upgrade over who we previously had.

Oh comon. Orangeblobman would've been an upgrade over Duhon.

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7/22/2010  9:12 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Paul is better then nash, he plays in this system, we will win 55+ games easy, come playoff time, when depth and length matter the most, will get bounced out in the 2nd rnd or ECF.

I would love to have the guy, but not at the expense of our depth, not to mention our flexibilty.

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7/22/2010  9:37 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
simrud wrote:15 and 7 is the bottom of the range. I think these numbers are almost guaranteed from him. Exactly why we should not be trading for Paul, rather use the assets to someone like Carmelo.

Is D'Antoni's system going to magically make Felton a good outside shooter ? I doubt it. Felton could stand to lose some weight as well.

More possessions might expose him as a TO machine.

His weight surely hasn't stop his explosivness, I actually said the same thing at first, especially during his latest interviews.

Funny thing is, duhon was always the better pg in there match up in college. I maybe wrong, but didn't Duke win with duhon, then felton won with UNC the next year after Duhon enterd the draft ??

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7/22/2010  10:12 PM
What does a 3pt shot have to do with being a point guard? It helps to be able to knock down open shots and be a factor in the mid range, but a point guard must be able to create his own offensive and make his teammates better. Felton can absolutely do that.
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7/22/2010  11:04 PM
I still think they should sign Scheyer for the minimum.
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7/22/2010  11:06 PM
I would be disappointed if he only averaged 7ast per game in this offense playing along side of Amare, Gallo, Randolph, Chandler and Bookey later on. MDA is giong to give him a ton of mins and put give him a lot of creative control in a high tempo offense that he is tailor made for.

I don't think he will produce MVPs like Nash but 8.0 is the minimum I expect from him and if thats all he ended up averaging then he is only above average.

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