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2 realistic packages for CP3... its not going to be easy
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Elite
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7/22/2010  4:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2010  4:49 PM
I seriously doubt Walsh gives up BOTH Randolph and Gallo for CP3 so lets look at New Orleans options.

Option 1.

CP3 14.9 mil

Curry
Wilson
A. Randolph
Total - 15.3 mil

reasonable deal.

Our lineup:

Turiaf/Mozgov
Amare
Gallo
Azabuiki
CP3

Option 2.

CP3 + Okafor
25.4 mil total

Curry + A Randolph + Wilson + Azabuki + Turiaf
22.6 mil (still works cuz we have 3 mil in cap.. barely works tho)

5 for 2 is ridiculous.. and the tough part is, you CANT even include Toney Douglas because his contract is next to nothing.

i really dont see us taking back Okafor in any option, not just because we wouldnt want to.. but because its nearly impossible to match up salaries. CP3 straight up is much easier to manage. Unless maybe we get a third team involved

Our line up in option 2 would be

Okafor
Amare
Gallo
???? Walker?? Felton??
Cp3

Prolly the best team.. but no way we can get Melo

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7/22/2010  4:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/22/2010  4:48 PM
the hornets are losing so much money. they really are the smallest market team in the whole league. let them start the season losing tons of games with an unhappy superstar owed $30M over the next two seasons and suddenly Curry's expiring deal plus Chandler is gonna look very appealing.
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7/22/2010  4:48 PM
Option 3

CP3

14.9

Curry
Gallo
Toney Douglas

15.6 (works)

this is the best trade for NO.. they get a solid backup in Douglas.. a potential star in Gallo and relief in Curry.

I could see this happening


Lineup:

A. Randolph
Amare
Wilson (melo eventually?)
Buki
CP3

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7/22/2010  4:57 PM
This does not make sense. What are supposed to do with 2 starting PGs?
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/22/2010  4:59 PM
if we did that Paul + Okafor deal... here is our cap next year:

6 mil for gallo douglas and walker..
7 mil for Felton
17 mil for Amare
16 fir CP3
13 for Okafor

do the math thats
59 mil already... puts us at the cap... not to mention our 2nd round picks. No room for Mello.

Melo is around 17 mil so we still could not afford to even trade all our leftovers for him... not happening.

I say our best option is to hang on to Randolph at Center.. give up Gallo, but leave Okafor out of the deal... that way we can posisbly EVENTUALLY be looking at:

Randolph
Amare
Melo
Anyone
CP3

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7/22/2010  5:00 PM
simrud wrote:This does not make sense. What are supposed to do with 2 starting PGs?

we cant trade Felton for Paul. We'd have to trade him after dec 15th.

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7/22/2010  5:19 PM
We can trade Felton by himself to another team to acquire a different asset for the Paul trade if NO is amenable to that.
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7/22/2010  7:57 PM
We need to pull a Gasol style type of trade, we have leverage. I trust Donnie to be patient.
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7/22/2010  8:33 PM
If people still really believe all the Paul/Melo hype, the only way to get both is to completely clear the decks like Miami did. Amare is making $18.2M in 2011. Paul is making $16.3M. Melo's max, barring a CBA change, would currently be $18M. We have to dump Felton, Turiaf, Mozgov, AND renounce Gallo and Chandler. The most we can keep is Randolph ($2M) and Douglas ($1M), or instead of those two, retain Mozgov ($3M).

IMO, there's only two possible trades for Paul:

Option 1 - NO OKAFOR (trade the farm -- BRIGGS would hate this)

NY trades: Gallinari, Randolph, Chandler, Turiaf, Walker, 2014 1st round pick, and $3M cash considerations
NOH trades: Chris Paul

- NOH loads up with cheap young talent, but doesn't get any salary relief.
- NY gives up the farm, but by doing this trade, they are one Felton trade away from signing Melo in 2011 (Felton for TJ Ford perhaps?). And you have to wonder, if NY has Paul and Amare on board, wouldn't Melo hold off on signing his extension? This trade would be a gamble, but it's really the only way to open up the possibility of having Paul, Melo, and Amare all on the same team. We wouldn't have much depth besides Douglas, Fields, Mozgov and whoever else we can sign, but that big three would rival Miami's big three, and easily place us as title contenders.


Option 2 - OKAFOR (forget Melo, roll with Gallo)

NY trades: Randolph, Chandler, Turiaf, Azubuike, Curry, 2014 1st round pick, and $3M cash considerations
NOH trades: Paul, Okafor

Same as the other trade, but we take our best player off the table in exchange for taking on Okafor's behemoth contract. This pretty much kills any chance of getting Melo, but a Paul/Gallo/Amare core still has the potential to grow into contenders. Okafor would round out the rest of our starting lineup, and we would look to trade Felton for an SG (instead of just an expiring).

IMO, there is no scenario whatsoever that has us keeping both Gallo and Randolph. One of them is going to have to go in any Paul trade. There is no way NOH accepts a package from us in which the best player we give up is Wilson Chandler.

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7/22/2010  11:43 PM
loweyecue wrote:We can trade Felton by himself to another team to acquire a different asset for the Paul trade if NO is amenable to that.

how can you do that? won't the player you acquire also be untradeable as part of a package deal?

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7/23/2010  12:41 AM
TMS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:We can trade Felton by himself to another team to acquire a different asset for the Paul trade if NO is amenable to that.

how can you do that? won't the player you acquire also be untradeable as part of a package deal?

what if its a draft pick?

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7/23/2010  12:43 AM
seriously guys, y'all are acting like their won't be other bidders for his services. LA can give em Bynum. ORL has a boatload of assets. We can't lowball them with weak options. We definitely have to give to get.
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7/23/2010  12:57 AM
kam77 wrote:seriously guys, y'all are acting like their won't be other bidders for his services. LA can give em Bynum. ORL has a boatload of assets. We can't lowball them with weak options. We definitely have to give to get.

seems like some guys are going back to the stuff we heard all throughout the summer... how we'd be able to pilfer CP3 from the Hornets, their superstar franchise stud, for expiring contracts, Wilson Chandler & Toney Douglas... that's not even close to a realistic scenario... NO can trade him anywhere they want to, they're not handcuffed into trading him to the Knicks but guys are acting like they have no other choice in the matter.

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7/23/2010  6:40 AM
knickstorrents wrote:We need to pull a Gasol style type of trade, we have leverage. I trust Donnie to be patient.

Agreed; either do that or forget about Paul. The Lakers knew they needed a great big man but they were unwilling to mortgage their future for it. Their philosophy was "either we'll rob MEM for Gasol, or we'll save and develop what we have." We need the same mindset.

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7/23/2010  7:02 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:We need to pull a Gasol style type of trade, we have leverage. I trust Donnie to be patient.

Agreed; either do that or forget about Paul. The Lakers knew they needed a great big man but they were unwilling to mortgage their future for it. Their philosophy was "either we'll rob MEM for Gasol, or we'll save and develop what we have." We need the same mindset.

Randolph, Chandler, Bukke, Turiaf for Paul. If they want throw in $3 mil. Take it or leave it.

I am perfectly comfortable with Felton.

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7/23/2010  7:45 AM
Chris has stated his desired destinations. Donnie doesn't need to make the best possible offer that the Knicks can do. He just needs to make a better off than the other teams in the running. And even then it doesn't have to be much better. It can even be comparable or a little bit worse, as Chris has stated the Knicks are his preferred destination.
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7/23/2010  8:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  8:18 AM
joec32033 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:We need to pull a Gasol style type of trade, we have leverage. I trust Donnie to be patient.

Agreed; either do that or forget about Paul. The Lakers knew they needed a great big man but they were unwilling to mortgage their future for it. Their philosophy was "either we'll rob MEM for Gasol, or we'll save and develop what we have." We need the same mindset.

Randolph, Chandler, Bukke, Turiaf for Paul. If they want throw in $3 mil. Take it or leave it.

I am perfectly comfortable with Felton.


I'm not giving up AR for a guy who hasn't shown that he can play post injury. Post-injury (7 games), he averaged 8.6 PPG and 8.0 Assists PG and there's a chance that's the player he is now. I know it's only 7 games but bone on bone is likely something that's gonna get worse not better the more minutes he plays.
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7/23/2010  8:31 AM
IF CPS makes $16 mill, I would trade Curry, Gallo (or CHandler), Felton, $3 mill in cash, and a future 1st round pick for him and leave it at that. IMO, that is a fair trade even if we have to wait until Dec. 15. NO gets a starting quality PG, an expiring contract, and a starting caliber SG/SF, plus cash and a pick. Paul is not going to work in Phil's traingle offense, and what assets does Orlando have beyond Howard and Nelson. Lewis has a bad contract and Carter is old.
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7/23/2010  9:16 AM
Let Felton and Randolph come in here and put up 15 and 8 a piece (assists for Felton, rebounds for AR). Jacks up their perceived value. Then you deal:
Felton 8mm
Randolph 1mm
Curry 10mm
Turiaf 4mm

= 23mm


for

Ok4 10mm
CP3 14mm

= 24mm

leaves you with:

C: Ok4, Moz, Jordan
PF: Amare, maybe Anthony Tolliver
SF: Gallo, Fields
SG: Buike, Chandler, Walker
PG: CP3, Douglas

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7/23/2010  9:17 AM
TheGame wrote:IF CPS makes $16 mill, I would trade Curry, Gallo (or CHandler), Felton, $3 mill in cash, and a future 1st round pick for him and leave it at that. IMO, that is a fair trade even if we have to wait until Dec. 15. NO gets a starting quality PG, an expiring contract, and a starting caliber SG/SF, plus cash and a pick. Paul is not going to work in Phil's traingle offense, and what assets does Orlando have beyond Howard and Nelson. Lewis has a bad contract and Carter is old.

Your trade does not work.

First. CP3 makes $14.9 this year.

Second: Your trade doesn't work under the cap (even with trade exceptions) because the salaries are unbalanced.

 
$11.3
$3.3
+ $7.5
_______
$22.1

Third, Felton can't be traded til December 15.

I'm more with Briggs on this. Paul now is a question mark. But, if you can get him anyone other than Gallo and AR, I do it. Not because I think either player is better than Paul, just because there are other players other than Paul that we can get without giving up these guys. I don't want to pass on Chris Paul, especially if he wants to be here, but I don't want to give up too much since there are players we can get for free next year.

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2 realistic packages for CP3... its not going to be easy

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