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Kelly Dwyer Article: Who Besides The Heat Won The Summer of 2010
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7/21/2010  11:27 AM
With the free-agency period winding down, and C.J. Watson(notes) one of the bigger stories of the day, I think it's time to declare a winner or two.

And I think you'd be with me in handing the crown — not the championship, but trophy for annoying the most people during the summer — to the Miami Heat. LeBron James(notes), Dwyane Wade(notes), Chris Bosh(notes); and a host of others. They win. They might not win it all, but they owned July.

But what of the others? Not the teams looking to tinker, but the ones that went for broke? The ones that spent the last months, years, clearing out cap space in anticipation of LeBron's little dog and pony show? Let's rank.

1. New York Knicks

Notable give-ups: A large cadre of players that Isiah Thomas acquired. So, nobody special, save for David Lee(notes).

Significant additions: Amar'e Stoudemire(notes), Anthony Randolph(notes), Raymond Felton(notes), Ronny Turiaf(notes), Kelenna Azubuike(notes).

Stoudemire was the biggest name to make a move beyond the triptych down in Miami, and those picking Chicago as the top team might be overrating Chicago's take mainly because of the team's already stout foundation in Derrick Rose(notes) and Joakim Noah(notes). Chicago's the better team, New York made the bigger moves. Maybe better ones, too.

Whether or not you pick the Bulls or Knicks at this slot likely depends on how you view Amar'e Stoudemire's abilities without a pure passer like Steve Nash(notes) alongside him. And most indications are that Amar'e will be quite beastly.

2. Chicago Bulls

Notable give-ups: John Salmons(notes), Tyrus Thomas(notes), Kirk Hinrich(notes), the 17th pick in the 2010 draft.

Significant additions: Carlos Boozer(notes), Kyle Korver(notes), Omer Asik(notes), Ronnie Brewer(notes), C.J. Watson.

The Bulls no doubt regret letting Kirk Hinrich and John Salmons run free, but Thomas and a middling first rounder weren't too tough to give up, and the trio of Korver, Brewer and Watson might end up combining to top the potential contributions of Salmons and Hinrich (who will make around $17 million this year in Milwaukee and Washington).

And, however fleeting, the Bulls did have a real shot at LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. They had to take that chance.

3. New Jersey Nets

Notable give-ups: Vince Carter(notes), Richard Jefferson(notes), Chris Douglas-Roberts(notes), Yi Jianlian(notes), the entire 2009-10 season.

Significant additions: Travis Outlaw(notes), Anthony Morrow(notes), Jordan Farmar(notes).

OK, that didn't work.

The Nets will still boast a solid, young team — what with Brook Lopez(notes), Derrick Favors(notes), and Devin Harris(notes) on board — but they more or less whiffed in adding anyone with star potential. Lopez, Favors and Harris all have a chance to be stars, but adding role players like Outlaw and Morrow and Farmar to the established prospects wasn't exactly what New Jersey's front office had in mind.

And, no. I don't consider Billy King a "significant addition."

4. Los Angeles Clippers

Notable give-ups: Al Thornton(notes)?

Significant additions: Randy Foye(notes), Ryan Gomes(notes), Craig Smith(notes). Possibly several other Minnesota Timberwolves from the 2006-07 season.

The Clippers just happened to have a bunch of contracts that were to expire in 2010, so it's not as if they were working some master plan. The team's front office (?) did go to kiss LeBron James' ring, though, so they get lumped in. And they get lumped on.

This could be a good team next year, with some solid players and the return of Blake Griffin(notes) from a broken kneecap. But in terms of chasing down helpers? This hasn't been their best offseason.

Ironically, the best part of that Minnesota Timberwolves team that wasn't named "Kevin Garnett?" It was Dwane Casey, whom the Clippers declined to hire in favor of former Bulls coach (?) Vinny Del Negro.

So what's your say? Where do we rank these runner-ups?

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7/21/2010  12:16 PM
Notable give-ups: John Salmons(notes), Tyrus Thomas(notes), Kirk Hinrich(notes), the 17th pick in the 2010 draft.

Significant additions: Carlos Boozer(notes), Kyle Korver(notes), Omer Asik(notes), Ronnie Brewer(notes), C.J. Watson.


bottom line? chicago simply didnt get better. Boozer backstabbed a blind man. Boozer as an $80mm centerpiece of your team doesnt sound like good building to me. I would rather have Zach Randolph myself. Korver gives them a good shooter.


The Knicks probably underpaid for Felton. Thats got potential to be a real coup and a great signing. Maybe not Steve Nash caliber but your getting a very talented player w/ physical tools and a 3 year contract is great. After a few years of Larry ball Felton is a good fit. He's a natural uptempo guy but is now used to focusing on taking care of the ball and playing defense. We could get the best of both world.

Amare was a monster before Nash, and its not like we are bringing him here w/ Duhon. Felton can get him the ball.

AR is a highly debated and mostly coveted prospect and year 3 is a great time to get him.

EVERY player on our roster is long athletic and suited for uptempo play.

I think what I like most about the KNicks isnt the talent that was added, rather the complimentary style of play. I think Walsh did a good job fitting the right types of players here. We are still thin in the backcourt, but I certainly favor loading the roster up w/ size over a bunch of smaller scorers.

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7/21/2010  12:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/21/2010  12:19 PM
this article lists John Salmons, Ty Thomas & the 17th pick as a give up for the Bulls but fails to list Jordan Hill, 2011 top 5 protected swap rights & the 2012 1st rounder as a give up for the Knicks (last time i checked, Salmons & Thomas were traded before the summer)... it lists a guy like Ronny Turiaf as a significant addition but doesn't list Fishlips as a give up even though they both have similar career #'s... (& believe me i could care less about losing Fishlips)... still, seems a little biased if u ask me.

the Knicks made a very nice trade to get the players they did for D Lee, & i have no problem with ranking them over the other teams that failed to land 1 of the big 3 in free agency, because we landed the next best player on the list... still, i think you should be fair when you compare what was given up.

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7/21/2010  1:43 PM
TMS wrote:this article lists John Salmons, Ty Thomas & the 17th pick as a give up for the Bulls but fails to list Jordan Hill, 2011 top 5 protected swap rights & the 2012 1st rounder as a give up for the Knicks (last time i checked, Salmons & Thomas were traded before the summer)... it lists a guy like Ronny Turiaf as a significant addition but doesn't list Fishlips as a give up even though they both have similar career #'s... (& believe me i could care less about losing Fishlips)... still, seems a little biased if u ask me.

the Knicks made a very nice trade to get the players they did for D Lee, & i have no problem with ranking them over the other teams that failed to land 1 of the big 3 in free agency, because we landed the next best player on the list... still, i think you should be fair when you compare what was given up.


He addressed it by saying it was a cadre of players Zeke gave up, nothing special. He was being funny. Really tho on a 29 win team Lee was about the only notable loss.
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7/21/2010  2:46 PM
lol... Jordan Hill. Seriously
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7/21/2010  3:04 PM
fishmike wrote:
I would rather have Zach Randolph myself.

Good call, he could have been a good fit, that team really would've had some attitude.

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7/21/2010  3:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
I would rather have Zach Randolph myself.

Good call, he could have been a good fit, that team really would've had some attitude.

And he could supply the stash...

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7/21/2010  4:43 PM
TMS wrote:this article lists John Salmons, Ty Thomas & the 17th pick as a give up for the Bulls but fails to list Jordan Hill, 2011 top 5 protected swap rights & the 2012 1st rounder as a give up for the Knicks (last time i checked, Salmons & Thomas were traded before the summer)... it lists a guy like Ronny Turiaf as a significant addition but doesn't list Fishlips as a give up even though they both have similar career #'s... (& believe me i could care less about losing Fishlips)... still, seems a little biased if u ask me.

the Knicks made a very nice trade to get the players they did for D Lee, & i have no problem with ranking them over the other teams that failed to land 1 of the big 3 in free agency, because we landed the next best player on the list... still, i think you should be fair when you compare what was given up.

I think your still bitter about losing HILL, I'm not sure you will ever get over it.

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7/21/2010  6:39 PM
fishmike wrote:
Notable give-ups: John Salmons(notes), Tyrus Thomas(notes), Kirk Hinrich(notes), the 17th pick in the 2010 draft.

Significant additions: Carlos Boozer(notes), Kyle Korver(notes), Omer Asik(notes), Ronnie Brewer(notes), C.J. Watson.


bottom line? chicago simply didnt get better. Boozer backstabbed a blind man. Boozer as an $80mm centerpiece of your team doesnt sound like good building to me. I would rather have Zach Randolph myself. Korver gives them a good shooter.


The Knicks probably underpaid for Felton. Thats got potential to be a real coup and a great signing. Maybe not Steve Nash caliber but your getting a very talented player w/ physical tools and a 3 year contract is great. After a few years of Larry ball Felton is a good fit. He's a natural uptempo guy but is now used to focusing on taking care of the ball and playing defense. We could get the best of both world.

Amare was a monster before Nash, and its not like we are bringing him here w/ Duhon. Felton can get him the ball.

AR is a highly debated and mostly coveted prospect and year 3 is a great time to get him.

EVERY player on our roster is long athletic and suited for uptempo play.

I think what I like most about the KNicks isnt the talent that was added, rather the complimentary style of play. I think Walsh did a good job fitting the right types of players here. We are still thin in the backcourt, but I certainly favor loading the roster up w/ size over a bunch of smaller scorers.

He took advantage of gordon Gund.. That whole situation was horrible.. I never like boozer since he pulled that mess!

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7/21/2010  7:03 PM
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Notable give-ups: John Salmons(notes), Tyrus Thomas(notes), Kirk Hinrich(notes), the 17th pick in the 2010 draft.

Significant additions: Carlos Boozer(notes), Kyle Korver(notes), Omer Asik(notes), Ronnie Brewer(notes), C.J. Watson.


bottom line? chicago simply didnt get better. Boozer backstabbed a blind man. Boozer as an $80mm centerpiece of your team doesnt sound like good building to me. I would rather have Zach Randolph myself. Korver gives them a good shooter.


The Knicks probably underpaid for Felton. Thats got potential to be a real coup and a great signing. Maybe not Steve Nash caliber but your getting a very talented player w/ physical tools and a 3 year contract is great. After a few years of Larry ball Felton is a good fit. He's a natural uptempo guy but is now used to focusing on taking care of the ball and playing defense. We could get the best of both world.

Amare was a monster before Nash, and its not like we are bringing him here w/ Duhon. Felton can get him the ball.

AR is a highly debated and mostly coveted prospect and year 3 is a great time to get him.

EVERY player on our roster is long athletic and suited for uptempo play.

I think what I like most about the KNicks isnt the talent that was added, rather the complimentary style of play. I think Walsh did a good job fitting the right types of players here. We are still thin in the backcourt, but I certainly favor loading the roster up w/ size over a bunch of smaller scorers.

He took advantage of gordon Gund.. That whole situation was horrible.. I never like boozer since he pulled that mess!


Don't worry, God don't like ugly and Boozer will get what's due
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7/21/2010  9:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:this article lists John Salmons, Ty Thomas & the 17th pick as a give up for the Bulls but fails to list Jordan Hill, 2011 top 5 protected swap rights & the 2012 1st rounder as a give up for the Knicks (last time i checked, Salmons & Thomas were traded before the summer)... it lists a guy like Ronny Turiaf as a significant addition but doesn't list Fishlips as a give up even though they both have similar career #'s... (& believe me i could care less about losing Fishlips)... still, seems a little biased if u ask me.

the Knicks made a very nice trade to get the players they did for D Lee, & i have no problem with ranking them over the other teams that failed to land 1 of the big 3 in free agency, because we landed the next best player on the list... still, i think you should be fair when you compare what was given up.

I think your still bitter about losing HILL, I'm not sure you will ever get over it.

no, i just think including John Salmons & Ty Thomas when those were players they got rid of before the summer shouldn't factor into this discussion... if they do, then we should also factor in Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph, David Lee, Fishlips, Jordan Hill & the picks we gave up... unlike some people around here, i like there to be consistency when determining or judging a trade... spin doctors like fishmike & yourself like to find any excuse to detract from the topic by ragging on anyone who questions anything... both of y'all can kiss my ass.

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7/21/2010  9:43 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
fishmike wrote:
I would rather have Zach Randolph myself.

Good call, he could have been a good fit, that team really would've had some attitude.

And he could supply the stash...

Like I said, good fit.

Kelly Dwyer Article: Who Besides The Heat Won The Summer of 2010

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