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Finestrg
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7/16/2010  10:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  10:42 AM
Just got done watching a 'Knicks in 60' replay of a game against PHX at the Garden from Jan, 2009. Very odd game to show, billing it as "Amar'e in 60" because to me Stoudemire played terrible in this contest. Totally invisible for long stretches in this game, way too passive esp. going for rebounds and way too reliant on his still more-than-decent Suns teammates including a pre-Cavs Shaq who showed he still had plenty of gas left in the tank at this point, going for over 20/10..A couple of isolated plays here and there (he drove and threw down one monster dunk down right in Tim Thomas' grill that was very impressive) but by in large, Amar'e did absolutely nothing in this game..Lee, on the other hand, had a monster game -- not sure what he finished up with, but at the end of the 3rd quarter Lee was at 25/14...I love the trade we made but man, I'm really gonna miss this guy.

Look, are we better now than last year? Yes we are. Most definitely...And it starts with Amar'e..He's the man here now and I'm glad he's here. I think the roster's much improved..But this game really showed me something. The difference in the amount of energy being displayed by D Lee and Amar'e over the full 48 mins. was night & day in this game. When Amar'e puts his head to it & when he's 100% focused, this man's almost impossible to stop as we saw last year in the playoffs against the Lakers and in years past. All I want to see is max effort everytime he steps on the court. That's it. That's what Lee gave us and I expect nothing less from Stoudemire...Watching Amar'e sleepwalk through this game made me feel a little uneasy though, I gotta be honest. Again, very odd game for MSG to show. I mean if they did a little more digging thru the archives I betcha they could've found exactly what they were looking for which was a Knick win along with a dominant Amar'e performance..Well that's not what you saw with this game...Instead, what we got was a Knick win coupled with a real lackluster performance by our new star. Amar'e was definitely not at his best in this game, that's for sure. Not the game I would've showed the fanbase to get everyone enthused about the biggest acquisition this summer. LOL..Anyone else catch this just now?? Very strange..

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7/16/2010  10:38 AM
Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk
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7/16/2010  10:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  10:51 AM
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk

Stop what? Who's crying over spilled milk? LOL..All I'm saying is that the decision to show a game where D Lee outplayed Amar'e this badly was a poor one. A real head scratcher...You mean to tell me they couldn't have dug a little deeper in the archives and pulled out a game where Amar'e killed the Knicks? That's what I expected to see when I tuned in. Heck, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE! I don't need to see a game where Lee went for over 30 & 15 and Amar'e did nothing...You wanna call something 'Amar'e in 60' show me a dominant Amar'e performance to get my juices flowing...All I'm sayin'...If you saw the game you'll know where I'm coming from...Check it out -- I think they might be replaying the same game again at 11:00 am on MSG.

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7/16/2010  10:48 AM
Welcome to the board btw..
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7/16/2010  10:53 AM
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk

What he offered was a fair assessment. Amare looks great at times and like a passive guy without motivation at others. The motivated Amare is an upgrade over Lee, no doubt, but the unmotivated guy who gives you 5 rebound performances is a downgrade.
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7/16/2010  11:04 AM
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk


There's gonna be days when people question Amare's knees, defense, offense, IQ, heart and dare I say, "albatross" contract. Buckle in.

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7/16/2010  11:08 AM
BlueSeats wrote:
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk


There's gonna be days when people question Amare's knees, defense, offense, IQ, heart and dare I say, "albatross" contract. Buckle in.

Well those are all reasons why the Suns thought a 5 year $100 mil contract was a poor long-term contract. You make it sound like those concerns are unjustified.

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7/16/2010  11:14 AM
BlueSeats wrote:
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk


There's gonna be days when people question Amare's knees, defense, offense, IQ, heart and dare I say, "albatross" contract. Buckle in.

yup, definitely true. he's going to have his moments where he looks disinterested but that's just something you deal with amar'e.. if this team plays well, he'll be there 100%

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7/16/2010  11:20 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
What he offered was a fair assessment. Amare looks great at times and like a passive guy without motivation at others. The motivated Amare is an upgrade over Lee, no doubt, but the unmotivated guy who gives you 5 rebound performances is a downgrade.

Agreed, but remember it's not just Amar'e instead of Lee that we got, but rather Amar'e + Randolph + Turiaf + Azubuike, and so even if Amar'e does play passively, the other 3 players we got still upgrades the talent on the roster and puts us in a better position than we would be in if we had just re-signed Lee

I think Amar'e is going to be more committed to defense and rebounding this year- it's one of the first things he mentioned without being prompted by any questions. I like his attitude, he's been saying all the right things and I'm hoping he'll have a good effect on Randolph and Gallo too.

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7/16/2010  11:26 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk


There's gonna be days when people question Amare's knees, defense, offense, IQ, heart and dare I say, "albatross" contract. Buckle in.

yup, definitely true. he's going to have his moments where he looks disinterested but that's just something you deal with amar'e.. if this team plays well, he'll be there 100%

Yeah I agree....It's gonna be exciting and he should feel rejuvenated and well-motivated, esp. coming in to NYC as the brand new centerpiece...Hopefully any moments of feeling disinterested are kept to a minimum..I'm confident they will be..

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7/16/2010  11:30 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
What he offered was a fair assessment. Amare looks great at times and like a passive guy without motivation at others. The motivated Amare is an upgrade over Lee, no doubt, but the unmotivated guy who gives you 5 rebound performances is a downgrade.

Agreed, but remember it's not just Amar'e instead of Lee that we got, but rather Amar'e + Randolph + Turiaf + Azubuike, and so even if Amar'e does play passively, the other 3 players we got still upgrades the talent on the roster and puts us in a better position than we would be in if we had just re-signed Lee

I think Amar'e is going to be more committed to defense and rebounding this year- it's one of the first things he mentioned without being prompted by any questions. I like his attitude, he's been saying all the right things and I'm hoping he'll have a good effect on Randolph and Gallo too.

Agreed.

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7/16/2010  11:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  11:57 AM
The game I saw this morning was probably more an aberration than anything else...Maybe it was just a product of sharing the paint with Shaq who was still fairly capable when he was with the Suns...Anyone know if there was anything to that? Did Amar'e and Shaq not mesh well together when Shaq was there? Anyway, I think they chose to show the game I saw this morning based on that one monster dunk where he put Tim Thomas on a poster..Watching a countdown of Amar'e's top 25 plays against the Knicks over the years right now -- plenty of blocks and thunderous dunks, even a couple of 3 pointers..See that's what I'm talking about! There ya go MSG!! More please..
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7/16/2010  12:06 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
What he offered was a fair assessment. Amare looks great at times and like a passive guy without motivation at others. The motivated Amare is an upgrade over Lee, no doubt, but the unmotivated guy who gives you 5 rebound performances is a downgrade.

Agreed, but remember it's not just Amar'e instead of Lee that we got, but rather Amar'e + Randolph + Turiaf + Azubuike, and so even if Amar'e does play passively, the other 3 players we got still upgrades the talent on the roster and puts us in a better position than we would be in if we had just re-signed Lee

I think Amar'e is going to be more committed to defense and rebounding this year- it's one of the first things he mentioned without being prompted by any questions. I like his attitude, he's been saying all the right things and I'm hoping he'll have a good effect on Randolph and Gallo too.


I'm sure in the beginning and maybe even for the full year Amare will be more committed but don't forget that he signed a FIVE year max contract.
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7/16/2010  12:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2010  12:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk


There's gonna be days when people question Amare's knees, defense, offense, IQ, heart and dare I say, "albatross" contract. Buckle in.

Well those are all reasons why the Suns thought a 5 year $100 mil contract was a poor long-term contract. You make it sound like those concerns are unjustified.

Not my intention. I'm saying that if Finestrng's critique of the broadcast has 'balla upset he's in for a rough ride.

Imagine how upset you're gonna make him.

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7/16/2010  12:35 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
Nyballa561 wrote:Omg, will you stop? Amare is better than David Lee, and we are now a better team. Lee was my one of my favorites as well, but no use crying over spilled milk


There's gonna be days when people question Amare's knees, defense, offense, IQ, heart and dare I say, "albatross" contract. Buckle in.

Well those are all reasons why the Suns thought a 5 year $100 mil contract was a poor long-term contract. You make it sound like those concerns are unjustified.

Not my intention. I'm saying that if Finestrng's critique of the broadcast has 'balla upset he's in for a rough ride.

Imagine how upset you're gonna make him.


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7/16/2010  12:56 PM
Personally, I worry about Amare's knees/contract three years from now. And I worry about his relationship with . When you have friction while winning 60 games it stands to get worse winning 41. And expectations are high for Amare so he (and his contract) will be a focal point of our discontent if we fail expectations.

But, if it's a question of Amare vs Lee, I think we did alright because Amare is at least the equal of Lee, plus we picked up a lot of additional (youthier) assets in the Lee trade, so we're ahead.

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