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knicks1248
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7/14/2010  7:38 PM
Which has been a glaring weakness for a very long time. I'm not sure if Amare was much of a leader as he was more of second fiddle to nash. That goes for Felton too, I mean this was his first winning season.....right, since he's been in the league, so I'm not sure what to expect.

I think, until they can address that issue, we will struggle no matter how much talent we have. This team is young, athletic and energetic, and i'm little thrilled and excited, but were not going to do it without a leader, thats-for-absolute-sure.

Amare is the 5 time allstar, but without really being a big follower of the suns, i'm not sure he's suited for that role or would be willing to take it on.

Felton seems like he knows how to lead a team on the floor, but can he do it through adversity, and in the locker room where it matters the most.

Gallo (forget about chandler he's about as vocal as the godfather ) ain't cutting either.

I don't know about you guy's but i think that has been the origin of our losing ways, soon as we lost that true leader (and we were never the most talented team during the ewing era) we stop winning.

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7/14/2010  8:01 PM
Good point. I think that's what they were looking for last summer when they went after Hill and Kidd. This year, the emphasis seems to be on youth. A vet like Kurt Thomas could help.
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7/14/2010  8:10 PM
I think the expectation is that Felton is the leader.
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7/14/2010  8:20 PM
You really don't need an old vet per se, so long as you have your top guys able to control the lockerroom. I feel that Amare wants to be the vocal leader and for the most part since he's the most successful and oldest, he'll be a leader by default. Also i'm a firm believer that your leader has to be a guy that produces on the court. That's what messed up Duhon. He spoke but it carried no weight cuz of his struggles on the court. NONE of the players were going to really listen to him so long as he was a source of why they were losing.

Felton is also a guy that has been a floor leader that won at the H.S. and College level. He stepped up and won games for his team in Charlotte too. MDA is gonna lean on him heavily as his coach on the floor. He's been missing that here in NY, but I think he's happy to have a guy he can expect to be at the least solid at the PG position. There's a good chance he'll thrive and play at a high level, given MDA's track record with PG's. Heck he had Duhon playing over his head for a good stretch his 1st yr., but Duhon just isn't a starter, whereas Felton is.
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7/14/2010  8:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2010  8:32 PM
nixluva wrote:You really don't need an old vet per se, so long as you have your top guys able to control the lockerroom. I feel that Amare wants to be the vocal leader and for the most part since he's the most successful and oldest, he'll be a leader by default. Also i'm a firm believer that your leader has to be a guy that produces on the court. That's what messed up Duhon. He spoke but it carried no weight cuz of his struggles on the court. NONE of the players were going to really listen to him so long as he was a source of why they were losing.

Let's not forget that he's getting the biggest paycheck too!

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7/14/2010  8:36 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
nixluva wrote:You really don't need an old vet per se, so long as you have your top guys able to control the lockerroom. I feel that Amare wants to be the vocal leader and for the most part since he's the most successful and oldest, he'll be a leader by default. Also i'm a firm believer that your leader has to be a guy that produces on the court. That's what messed up Duhon. He spoke but it carried no weight cuz of his struggles on the court. NONE of the players were going to really listen to him so long as he was a source of why they were losing.

Let's not forget that he's getting the biggest paycheck too!

when has that ever matter

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7/15/2010  3:43 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think the expectation is that Felton is the leader.

Yup

He is actually one of our "older" players, and plays the position MDA considers the key element to his offense.

I still believe Gallo will be a leader at some point, but he is still too young.

Amare, and to some extent, Turiaf may end up being inspirational "leaders" who set a tone for others to follow.

Will any of the above actually have the leadership ability, on court, to talk to a player who is screwing up and put them on the right track? Only time will tell.

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7/15/2010  4:12 AM
When you have professional players that share the ball and play the right way, the need for vocal leaders diminishes. I think we finally have a team of guys that can play defense and offense and are willing to share the ball. Getting rid of Harrington will improve this offense tremedously. Felton, Amare, and Turiaf will be able to hold the team together.
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7/15/2010  4:29 AM
TheGame wrote:When you have professional players that share the ball and play the right way, the need for vocal leaders diminishes. I think we finally have a team of guys that can play defense and offense and are willing to share the ball. Getting rid of Harrington will improve this offense tremedously. Felton, Amare, and Turiaf will be able to hold the team together.

Fair point.

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7/15/2010  9:36 AM
That is why it is in the best interest of the Knicks to get Paul. He is a leader, is probably the best floor general in the league commands respect because he works hard on both ends of the floor. I will definitely sanction a trade of Chandler, Felton and Curry expiring deal for Paul. If future consideration need to be made so be it. Paul in the MDA offense is equivalent if not better than Nash in the MDA system.
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7/15/2010  9:41 AM
Vmart wrote:That is why it is in the best interest of the Knicks to get Paul. He is a leader, is probably the best floor general in the league commands respect because he works hard on both ends of the floor. I will definitely sanction a trade of Chandler, Felton and Curry expiring deal for Paul. If future consideration need to be made so be it. Paul in the MDA offense is equivalent if not better than Nash in the MDA system.

Do you want him as of yesterday? Should we be worried about his injury? Will he ever get back to his prime?

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7/15/2010  9:53 AM
Paladin55 wrote:
Vmart wrote:That is why it is in the best interest of the Knicks to get Paul. He is a leader, is probably the best floor general in the league commands respect because he works hard on both ends of the floor. I will definitely sanction a trade of Chandler, Felton and Curry expiring deal for Paul. If future consideration need to be made so be it. Paul in the MDA offense is equivalent if not better than Nash in the MDA system.

Do you want him as of yesterday? Should we be worried about his injury? Will he ever get back to his prime?

Paul will be 100%. His injuries didn't even keep him out the entire season as he was able to come back and finish the season out.
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7/15/2010  11:18 AM
TheGame wrote:When you have professional players that share the ball and play the right way, the need for vocal leaders diminishes. I think we finally have a team of guys that can play defense and offense and are willing to share the ball. Getting rid of Harrington will improve this offense tremedously. Felton, Amare, and Turiaf will be able to hold the team together.

I beg to differ, the lakers have a very unselfish team and they have kobe. Had you seen the documentry that "Spike Lee" did on kobe, You would think different. (I now have more respect for kobe then ever before)

I'm not 2nd guessing Felton's abilty to lead on the floor, I think he's 100% capable, but I don't think the non vocal Ewing type leadership, will work for a young squad.

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