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My God what with this trade Wilson Chandler and A Randolph stuff?
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BRIGGS
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7/14/2010  3:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2010  3:09 AM
One is coming into his own and one we just traded for.

I think the Knicks should be VERY careful with Wilson Chandler. He shot 48% and lead most of two guards in rebounding. His mid range jumpshot was coming along at the pace of David Lee's game and has great size speed strength and athletic ability from that position. If we want the pace to move up--we need Chandler to stay in there as the starting two guard and continue to get better. I get scared that Dolan puts out the hit on some of his players for one reason or another--this case a minor indiscretion. You don't want to swap inferior talent like a Rudy Fernandez for Chandler. Chandler has the talent and ability to be a 20-6-3 50% guard @ 6-8--hes on the way there---it would be insane to move him for something that has been established as a lower talent. We CANNOT afford to do that. Chandler is a known quantity in this league--we wont have an idea about Abuzuke for awhile IF he can even come back to 100%--that was a very bad injury he took.

I keep reading--mostly on real gm trade A Randolph for Collison or this guy that guy--my goodness we have been a small team for 10 years and you want to trade 6-11+ for 6-0???????? I thought the key to make this offense work is to get guys who have diverse skills who can get up and down the floor? A Randolph is perfect for this team--whether it is 3-4-5 doesnt need to be defined--just let him go and play hard.I don't think it is necessary to shoot 40 3's a game. I would rather take 15-18 high quality shots and INCREASE our 2 pt FG% and MOST of all decrease the opponents FG%. If we take good three's--we will hit some and we wont rely on them. Less 3 points shots means less fast breaks the other way. We have two guys in Randolph and Stoudemire who should shoot 50%+++ with an open floor and a good PG. Gallinari can take the good 3's as can felton in the starting line up and then we have Walker and Douglas off the bench 4/5 out of 9 guys who can stroke the open 3 and the other guys hitting twos at a much better rate while getting back and playing some D this year. But trade these guys--are you nuts?

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7/14/2010  3:11 AM
Chandler is good i will give him that, I like him but some nights he looks as if it was his debut, and doesnt know what the hell he's doing. If he can bring consistency he can stay.
This season is not about amare or felton, we kno what they bring, this season will ultimately be about the development of Chandler,gallo, morrow.
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7/14/2010  3:21 AM
if we can get Carmelo or CP3 thats one thing...

this talk about Collison etc... your right.. pass. Our guys are good

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7/14/2010  4:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2010  4:03 AM
I want to watch the group we have now play together for a year before making changes.

I don't think Walsh is looking to get fleeced in a trade at this point- He will probably stay pat, or make a minor pickup, if at all.

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7/14/2010  7:09 AM
Elite wrote:if we can get Carmelo or CP3 thats one thing...

this talk about Collison etc... your right.. pass. Our guys are good

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/14/2010  8:08 AM
I posted this the other day:
As a starting SG: 38 games, 36 mins, 17ppg, 5.6rebs, 50% FGs, 2.3 assists, 1.7 TOs

Thats a solid sampling of games. I know there is a lot of losing basketball ball there but for just about 40 games he played SG and played it very well.

If you want to crunch #s look at his defensive breakdown also:
http://www.82games.com/0910/09NYK10.HTM

He was a much better defender against SGs. Opposing .484 eFG% is very solid (remember this takes into account 3's and FTs)

He's a 23 year old 6'8 player who can play SG at that level?

sounds like a keeper to me.

Just watch the guy play... he's got some holes in his game. Below average handle. Below average passer, but he can score from mid range and has a bunch of nice moves around the basket. Good defender and rebounder as well.

My god.... fastest way to being a top ten? Beat other teams with size AND skill
PG Felton
SG Chandler 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Amare 6'10
C Randolph 6'11

One lighting fast tough PG surrounded by big long skilled athletic guys who can all play 2-3 positions. Maybe I'm just drinkin the koolaid but I'm sober for the next 15 minutes and this looks like a good line up

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7/14/2010  8:16 AM
I agree that we shouldn't overreact. Let's see what happens this season and how good a team we have. I love our size, no question. We should have a pretty major size advantage almost every night, at SG, SF and PF, which is a very nice advantage. This offseason, Chandler staying may depend on Carmelo Anthony. We're just going to have to wait and see. But, I agree with no rushing to get rid of him. On the other hand, if we need to free up cap space, I think we can always flip someone like Turiaf for an expiring and cut it off at the pass, as long as Timofey is playing well enough to earn his second year.

In a way, it's a weird situation. Mentality-wise, we have to be careful not to approach things like we're handicapped by cap space and lack of options. It's tough not to act like we're handicapped, because the Knicks had been for 10 years. In this case, we have a plethora of options. Nice situation to be in.

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7/14/2010  9:50 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:Chandler is good i will give him that, I like him but some nights he looks as if it was his debut, and doesnt know what the hell he's doing. If he can bring consistency he can stay.
This season is not about amare or felton, we kno what they bring, this season will ultimately be about the development of Chandler,gallo, morrow.

We have to open up the windows and let the stench of 10 years of putrid players air out. Wilson is a solid player, might be on the edge of stardom. With this revamped team, we owe it to ourselves to examine our new team carefully.

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7/14/2010  10:16 AM
The biggest thing about Chandler is he can play in New York. He is putting up number in NY and that is something that needs to be accounted for. While others dwindle under the pressure of NY Chandler is only getting better. After this summer you will see a player that is ready for his breakout. His handle will be much improved and his shooting will be much imoproved along with his creativity. Chandler has a great work ethic and that is also a factor a player looking to get better.
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7/14/2010  10:22 AM
Wilson Chandler is a SF not a SG. When Chandler was jacking shots he was TERRIBLE. When he was penetrating he was a BEAST.

I will reserve judgement until I see if he has improved his handler for this upcoming season. If he can make a David Lee like leap than he is a keeper.

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7/14/2010  10:31 AM
Chandler is younger than three of the four rookies the Knicks drafted or signed. He has two seasons of 15 and 5 production in NY. I am not sure how you trade a guy that young who is already producing at such a high level.
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7/14/2010  10:36 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Wilson Chandler is a SF not a SG. When Chandler was jacking shots he was TERRIBLE. When he was penetrating he was a BEAST.

I will reserve judgement until I see if he has improved his handler for this upcoming season. If he can make a David Lee like leap than he is a keeper.

He can play both. Clearly the #s show that. Shooting 3's isnt prereq for playing SG. I would rather have my SG penetrating and knocking down the mid range jumper at 50% then jacking 3's like a QRich type. You look at his 82games #s and he's better defensively at the SG also. A lot of guys can play both. Pierce, Joe Johnson, etc

How do you become and elite team? Field a team thats bigger, faster and more effecient then your oposition. With so many combo guards playing SG now having a guy thats 6'8, athletic enough to guard smaller players and big enough to destroy them in the paint and shoot 50% is a HUGE advantage.

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7/14/2010  10:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2010  10:45 AM
fishmike wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Wilson Chandler is a SF not a SG. When Chandler was jacking shots he was TERRIBLE. When he was penetrating he was a BEAST.

I will reserve judgement until I see if he has improved his handler for this upcoming season. If he can make a David Lee like leap than he is a keeper.

He can play both. Clearly the #s show that. Shooting 3's isnt prereq for playing SG. I would rather have my SG penetrating and knocking down the mid range jumper at 50% then jacking 3's like a QRich type. You look at his 82games #s and he's better defensively at the SG also. A lot of guys can play both. Pierce, Joe Johnson, etc

How do you become and elite team? Field a team thats bigger, faster and more effecient then your oposition. With so many combo guards playing SG now having a guy thats 6'8, athletic enough to guard smaller players and big enough to destroy them in the paint and shoot 50% is a HUGE advantage.


Stats are nice but I watch the games. Chandler scored alot close to the basket. I wouldn't call him a mid range dynamo. Chandler is also nowhere near being half as good as Paul Pierce or Joe Johnson.

SG's who can actually shoot are still important to winning games. Chandler isn't that great shooting off the dribble either.

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7/14/2010  10:50 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
fishmike wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Wilson Chandler is a SF not a SG. When Chandler was jacking shots he was TERRIBLE. When he was penetrating he was a BEAST.

I will reserve judgement until I see if he has improved his handler for this upcoming season. If he can make a David Lee like leap than he is a keeper.

He can play both. Clearly the #s show that. Shooting 3's isnt prereq for playing SG. I would rather have my SG penetrating and knocking down the mid range jumper at 50% then jacking 3's like a QRich type. You look at his 82games #s and he's better defensively at the SG also. A lot of guys can play both. Pierce, Joe Johnson, etc

How do you become and elite team? Field a team thats bigger, faster and more effecient then your oposition. With so many combo guards playing SG now having a guy thats 6'8, athletic enough to guard smaller players and big enough to destroy them in the paint and shoot 50% is a HUGE advantage.


Stats are nice but I watch the games. Chandler scored alot close to the basket. I wouldn't call him a mid range dynamo. Chandler is also nowhere near being half as good as Paul Pierce or Joe Johnson.

SG's who can actually shoot are still important to winning games. Chandler isn't that great shooting off the dribble either.

It's not really a problem considering how good Gallinari is from long range. If it makes you feel better, think of Gallinari as the SG on offense, with Chandler SF on offense, while on defense, they're reversed. Besides, never heard someone complaining because the SG is taking too many "easy" shots.

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7/14/2010  12:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2010  12:34 PM
Elite wrote:if we can get Carmelo or CP3 thats one thing...

this talk about Collison etc... your right.. pass. Our guys are good

why is trading Wilson for Collison a bad idea, but trading for young up & coming players like AR is a good one? Wilson is good, no one's denying that, but so is Collison... Collison plays a more premium position as well, & we have a glut of wing players on the roster... i read the same stuff about trading David Lee over the past 2 years, people were saying it's a stupid idea & we needed to re-sign him at all costs, but now everyone's perfectly happy with trading him for AR.

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7/14/2010  12:37 PM
well i like how he improves each year and i hope he continues. we will see this year. i am excited about randolph though i dont know much about i admit. i am very curious too see what he can do.
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7/14/2010  12:46 PM
TMS wrote:
Elite wrote:if we can get Carmelo or CP3 thats one thing...

this talk about Collison etc... your right.. pass. Our guys are good

why is trading Wilson for Collison a bad idea, but trading for young up & coming players like AR is a good one? Wilson is good, no one's denying that, but so is Collison... Collison plays a more premium position as well, & we have a glut of wing players on the roster... i read the same stuff about trading David Lee over the past 2 years, people were saying it's a stupid idea & we needed to re-sign him at all costs, but now everyone's perfectly happy with trading him for AR.

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7/14/2010  1:00 PM
I think Chandler should be trade bait only for a star player. I agree that it would not make sense to lose valuable assets for marginal upgrades at positon of need. Seems to me the roster now has size, speed, athleticism, and talent. We have solid role players at every position, as well as an elite 4 and up-and-coming wings (Gallo and AR).

Donnie should stand pat unless something like Mel or CP3 is involved. I would also be willing to trade Chandler for the rights to Rubio. Anything else I don't really support.

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7/14/2010  1:53 PM
Some excerpts from an interview with AR on WFAN

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/detail?entry_id=67737

Anthony Randolph, who was traded to New York in the deal that netted the Warriors David Lee, sat down with WFAN in New York for an extensive interview. The 20-year-old showed polish in handling questions about his relationship with coach Don Nelson and what sounded like genuine excitement to be in New York.

Here are some excerpts from the interview:

Q: What went through your mind when you found out that you were involved in the David Lee trade and were coming to the Knicks?

A: Honestly, the first thing that came to my mind was that it is a great place to play, the Mecca of basketball. The fans here are very knowledgeable. It is a wonderful opportunity for me to try to take my career to the next level.

Q: What can Knicks fans can expect from you this season?

A: With me, you are going to get a guy who is going to go out there and play hard every night, just give you everything I have. I am going to give you a couple of blocked shots every now and then, some monstrous dunks, be very athletic. I can play inside and out, point, 2, 3, wherever you need me to play, so it is going to be very excited watching me play.

Q: What kind of relationship did you have with Don Nelson while playing for him in Golden State?

A: Me and Don's relationship was a player/coach relationship. Like with anybody, we had little disagreements and things, but, I mean, he is a great basketball mind. He just became the winningest coach. There is not much to say besides that.

Q: Did you ever feel like you were in Don Nelson's doghouse?

A: I wouldn't necessarily say that I was in his 'doghouse.' I think me and Nellie had an understanding about how each other was, and I think that may have looked like I was in his doghouse to people, but I think me and his relationship was fine.

Q: What are your thoughts about New York's nine losing seasons in a row?

A: I just feel like this is a perfect opportunity for me and all of the other players that came here. Me, Amar'e, Ronny, Azubuike, Raymond Felton, and the New York Knicks are going to come up. We are going to try to get the New York Knicks back up to the top of the NBA, and, hopefully, we can do that within this year and the next couple of years.

Q: Has Coach D'Antoni given you any type of indication of what he expects?

A: Oh yes. He is expecting me to come out there and play hard, be very versatile. He wants me to guard some guards and just use my length to help out the team wherever I can.

Q: What do you think about the other free agents that have come to New York this offseason?

A: I am excited. Coming up in high school, which wasn't that long ago, Amar'e Stoudemire was one of my favorite players. He is a dominant post player down there and commands a lot of attention. Just to play alongside him, my game is going to grow by itself. Ronny is a great energy player, great person, and great teammate and is going to give you everything he has. Kelenna Azubuike is a prolific scorer, and Raymond Felton is a great, smart point guard. So the Knicks have a lot of things to look forward to.

Q: What are your thoughts on the whole LeBron James free agency saga?

A: I really don't have too many thoughts on it.

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7/14/2010  1:59 PM
Chandler's mid range game is alright. His drives to the basket are phenominal though. He just needs to do it more often. Look at the atlanta game last year.
My God what with this trade Wilson Chandler and A Randolph stuff?

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