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Why Are You Guys So Determined to Get Rid oF Chandler?? Carmello May Never Come Here, Then What??
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Papabear
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7/13/2010  10:55 PM
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I've seen an improvement in Wilson Chandler. The player you are looking to replace Chandler with aren't as good as Chandler. We got rid of Ariza, Lee, Robinson, Crawford,Fry, it seems to me that there is no personal feelings with our players. Its like trading baseball cards. I'm the type of guy that likes to see a home grown product grow and one day compete for a championship. We don't give players a chance.

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7/13/2010  11:08 PM
I agree and I do like Will but remember he wasn't drafted by Donnie. Then again if Isiah still has a say, Chandler prob won't go anywhere unless for a big name.
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7/13/2010  11:12 PM
Wilson Chandler is not as great as you say.

It doesn't matter if Carmelo comes here or not. We can afford to trade Chandler.

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7/13/2010  11:14 PM
As much as I get on Chandler he is not a bad player.

He simply isn't the star many make him out to be.

He is also playing a duplicate position: Gallo's.

Chandler is not a SG he is a SF and he isn't a very good one at that.

However, he is a very good trade chip for us, before other teams realize he isn't really all that good and his stats were born partly on the "someone had to do it" cliche when it comes to bad NBA teams.

Move Chandler for a good piece today before teams realize he is who he is: A low IQ low intensity player.

Then, we get nothing for him when this happens.

Maximize. We can do this with Chandler. Use him and Eddy Curry to pull off a trade for better pieces to fit our future.

Gallo is our SF. Chandler is not. Chandler is not our SG. Teams probably still view Chandler in the way some fans do: Potential all-star. (when he clearly isn't and never will be).

Ship him out before it's too late to maximize his value.

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7/13/2010  11:19 PM
VDesai says

Chandler is up for free agency first among our young players and seems to have the most limited ceiling among them. In addition if we are to acquire someone like Carmelo Anthony, he would be redundant. Therefore he is our most attractive trade piece.

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7/13/2010  11:20 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I've seen an improvement in Wilson Chandler. The player you are looking to replace Chandler with aren't as good as Chandler. We got rid of Ariza, Lee, Robinson, Crawford,Fry, it seems to me that there is no personal feelings with our players. Its like trading baseball cards. I'm the type of guy that likes to see a home grown product grow and one day compete for a championship. We don't give players a chance.

what has chandler improved on? he's had the same stats every year in the league per 36/min

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7/13/2010  11:36 PM
I think people need to keep in perspective how young Chandler is. He is younger than Andy Rautins, the same age as Jerome Jordan, and only a year older than Landry Fields. He is the most accomplished returning vet from last years team. Chandler isn't a finished product and yet he averaged 15, 5 and a block a game. Because he is not as demonstrative in his body language on the court like Gallo does not mean that he is not as good or better. He can play and defend three positions. He is a pretty good shot blocker for his size. I think Chandler is underrated because of his calm demeanor on the court. I don't think Chandler is expendable because the Knicks drafted Fields or because they traded for Azubuike. Chandler is one of the things that is right about the roster and he is still one of the younger players on the roster.
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7/13/2010  11:41 PM
im not raggin on chandler, i personally like him. i just don't get it when people say he's constantly improving - he's literally improved nothing since he's come into the league.
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7/13/2010  11:46 PM
nyk4ever wrote:im not raggin on chandler, i personally like him. i just don't get it when people say he's constantly improving - he's literally improved nothing since he's come into the league.

Agreed.

I get the same flack when I talk on Chandler.

Whatever...let the "OMG HES A SUPERSTAR IN THE MAKING" crowd have their fun... I guess.

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7/13/2010  11:49 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think people need to keep in perspective how young Chandler is. He is younger than Andy Rautins, the same age as Jerome Jordan, and only a year older than Landry Fields. He is the most accomplished returning vet from last years team. Chandler isn't a finished product and yet he averaged 15, 5 and a block a game. Because he is not as demonstrative in his body language on the court like Gallo does not mean that he is not as good or better. He can play and defend three positions. He is a pretty good shot blocker for his size. I think Chandler is underrated because of his calm demeanor on the court. I don't think Chandler is expendable because the Knicks drafted Fields or because they traded for Azubuike. Chandler is one of the things that is right about the roster and he is still one of the younger players on the roster.

Youth is meaningless. Just because you're young doesn't mean you're going to improve.

Just because you're a big man doesn't mean you're going to improve, but, slowly, so be patient, in five years ____ player will be great.

These cliches have to go.....

You either have skill or you don't.

By year 3 you either show you're going to be a star or you never will be. There are very rare exceptions to the rule (billups) but for the most part it holds true.

By your third year you are who you are.

Chandler is who he is.

I see posts on Jerome Jordan. The same BS. "Big men take time to develop." What does that mean exactly? JJ is a big man and if we give him time to develop he will be a superstar in time? Not a chance.

Reality is apparently a trait the internet fan refuses to except.

Chandler is a peaked player, a stupid player, and thankfully still a good trade chip for now until everyone realizes he's a stupid player who has peaked.

Deal the kid now before we get no return on him.

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7/13/2010  11:53 PM
Chandler Looking to Establish Himself

By: Tommy Beer Last Updated: 7/13/10 10:16 AM ET | 2880 times read

Adjust font size:To say that all of New York City was distraught after the Knicks lost out on the LeBron Lottery isn't completely true. Sure, Wilson Chandler would have loved to have seen his team land one of the game's greatest players; but, on the flip side, it may have led to Chandler eventually getting shipped out of town.

LeBron James wasn't the only perimeter player the Knicks were targeting this summer. Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay were also in the Knicks' crosshairs as GM Donnie Walsh was looking to team up Amar'e Stoudemire with a big-name wingman. Instead, Walsh rounded out the Knicks roster with a much-needed starting PG in Raymond Felton as well as the dynamic, high-flying Anthony Randolph – in addition to Kelenna Azubuike, Ronny Turiaf, and international man of mystery, Russian center Timofey Mozgov.

Moreover, the Knicks still have a young wing in Chandler who they hope can develop into a legitimate star shining brightly alongside Amar'e.

Just 23 years old, Chandler has just scratched the surface of his potential. Can he build off the strides he has already taken in his young career, in particular the promise he showed during the heart of the 2009-2010 season?


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View Tommy Beer Archive Last year, Coach D'Antoni and his coaching staff had high expectations of Wilson coming into the season, as New York was hoping their third year pro out of DePaul was ready to take that elusive 'next step.' But Chandler stumbled out of the gate and got off to a slow start; averaging just 12 points on 38.9% shooting (with just one 20-point effort) over the Knicks first 18 contests. However, over the rest of Wilson's 09-10 season (a total of 47 games), he averaged 16.5 points (on 50.2% shooting), 5.4 rebounds, and 2.3 assists – with 14 20-point games. One of the primary reasons for his turnaround was his focus on taking the ball to the basket as opposed to settling for three-pointers. In his final 47 games, Wil averaged 1.96 three point attempts (0.51 3PM) and 2.64 free throw attempts (2.06 FTM), compared to 3.22 three point attempts (0.89 3PM) and 2.00 free throw attempts (1.78 FTM) in his previous 18 games (hat tip to NBA.com)

Nevertheless, last season ended in disappointing fashion for Chandler, missing the final 15 games of the season due to a sore groin and an ankle injury he battled through for months. The eventual disclosure of his various maladies, and the fact he quietly played through the pain, is further evidence the Knicks have themselves a keeper. Chandler underwent ankle surgery in April and then a sports hernia operation in May, but has been cleared by the training staff and should be ready to participate in full-contact basketball shortly.

Chandler has shown flashes of his tremendous talent, and (when healthy and at the top of his game) was arguably the Knicks most talented and complete player over the past couple of seasons. Now he needs to bring it all to the table on a consistent basis in order for not only himself to take that next step, but also to enable the franchise to start heading in the right direction.

HOOPSWORLD caught up with Chandler out in Las Vegas on Sunday where he is working on his game with the coaching staff and getting a feel for the Knicks summer league squad.

"I came here to work out with the team and to get back in shape. I also came to check out these guys," said Chandler.

He was then asked about the key additions to the Knicks roster, despite not being able to take home the grand prize, LeBron James. Chandler responded: "We didn't get the big fish, but we got a better team than we have had the last couple of years. Adding Amar'e and adding Felton, and a couple of other guys, I think all the guys will fit in great with our system… I think we are definitely in the right direction. We still have a lot of pieces to put in place, but I think this is the year we make the playoffs."

Wilson also commented on the opportunities inherent for existing members of the organization as a result of the Knicks missing out on LeBron or another top-notch free agent. "It gives players that are already on the team the opportunity to work on their game and see if we can come out and open up our game."

With all the aforementioned pieces that the Knicks have brought in this summer, it will be interesting to see how Coach Mike D'Antoni chooses to mix in the new offensive weapons with the current cast. For instance, will Chandler play primarily at shooting guard, or will Danilo Gallinari man the two? Wilson is not a prototypical shooting guard (as evidenced by his three-point stroke, or lack thereof) and has frequently looked far more comfortable at forward – but their may now be a bit of a logjam up front. D'Antoni may end up using Gallo and Wilson interchangeably depending on matchups.

Whether he spends time at guard or forward, Chandler will have an opportunity to make a significant impact next season, and the Knicks are going to need him to do just that.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=16796#ixzz0wI4wj2yk

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7/14/2010  1:09 AM
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nyk4ever wrote:im not raggin on chandler, i personally like him. i just don't get it when people say he's constantly improving - he's literally improved nothing since he's come into the league.

Agreed.

I get the same flack when I talk on Chandler.

Whatever...let the "OMG HES A SUPERSTAR IN THE MAKING" crowd have their fun... I guess.

I've said it befor...Chandler, being one year removed from Gallo is a better player. Jesus Christ had better becoming back in the trade

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7/14/2010  8:06 AM
2 years, 2 surgeries. It's not threads that provide his worth, it's what ie will do.

Wilson will get a big chance to shine. It's on him, not UK.

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7/14/2010  8:22 AM
nyk4ever wrote:im not raggin on chandler, i personally like him. i just don't get it when people say he's constantly improving - he's literally improved nothing since he's come into the league.

Papabear Says

Its hard to improve on a bad team. Who did he have to look up to?

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7/14/2010  9:01 AM
I think Chandler took a big step forward when he stopped shooting 3 pointers and instead starting focusing on shooting from 15-17 feet. He was as consistent as anyone in the league from that range. He does need to work on getting to the line more. It's not that he doesn't go to the basket hard. It's that he hasn't developed some of the veteran tricks for drawing contact. Hopefully he learns this.

You don't trade Chandler for nothing. But opportunities do come up. And if they do, then he should be traded. IF Isiah taught us anything, it's that teh makeup of your team is more important then any one individual part.

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7/14/2010  9:15 AM
The bigger problem is that, if the goal is to get Anthony, where is Gallo going to play next year. We have accumulated assets, but they all play the 3 and 4 pretty much.

As far as the CHandler question, I would assume Walsh is going to hold on to Chandler until next summer and then us him in a S&T for Anthony if Anthony does not sign his extension.

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7/14/2010  9:37 AM
Chandler just isn't aggressive enough going to the basket. I like him but for Melo or Cp3 i dont even have to think about it.
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7/14/2010  2:54 PM
I think the reason the Knicks would consider tradng him is bc he is not a shooter, but a slasher who fits in better with a half-court offense. Although Will can run the break and finish strong.

This may sound crazy but a I could see a major trade with Portland go down that includes more than Rudy & Will.

Since D'antoni loves shooters and now has some shot blockers I could possiby see this trade go down:

Knicks trade:

Chandler Sf
Douglas Pg
Walker Sg

for

Portland trades:

Rudy Fernandez Sg
Jerald Bayless Pg/Sg
Nicolas Batum Sf

Knicks get a lot of O but lose a lot of D. Not sure Portland does it though.

But if we go into the season with the team we have now, I'll still be very happy.

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7/14/2010  3:02 PM
^ honestly, not sure i see the point of that trade. i'd rather keep our guys. it seems like trading a bunch of guys with similar skill sets.

let's keep our guys and build a team.

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7/14/2010  3:10 PM
TLover wrote:I think the reason the Knicks would consider tradng him is bc he is not a shooter, but a slasher who fits in better with a half-court offense. Although Will can run the break and finish strong.

This may sound crazy but a I could see a major trade with Portland go down that includes more than Rudy & Will.

Since D'antoni loves shooters and now has some shot blockers I could possiby see this trade go down:

Knicks trade:

Chandler Sf
Douglas Pg
Walker Sg

for

Portland trades:

Rudy Fernandez Sg
Jerald Bayless Pg/Sg
Nicolas Batum Sf

Knicks get a lot of O but lose a lot of D. Not sure Portland does it though.

But if we go into the season with the team we have now, I'll still be very happy.

how does that trade help the blazers?

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