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7/13/2010  10:36 PM
In search of an 'Even Bigger Three'

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7/13/2010  10:37 PM
LeBron James' splash in South Beach has created a ripple effect around the league.

Just 48 hours after James' decision on Thursday night, Chris Paul allegedly hinted he could join Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire in New York one day, according to the New York Post. "We'll form our own Big 3," Paul reportedly said at Anthony's wedding in the Big Apple.

Sure, it could have been merely a throwaway comment to get a few laughs with LeBron in attendance. But a year ago, a trio of James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh was nothing more than a comical basketball fantasy, too.

It got us thinking: Would that hypothetical Big Three in New York be the best trio to combat the Miami one?

Probably not, although it may be the most feasible superstar triumvirate outside Miami. Paul finds himself in the middle of an ugly ownership shakeup and could demand a trade in the event that the franchise's focus shifts from winning to trimming. And Anthony? He can opt for free agency next summer should he be curious whether the grass is greener on the East Coast.

But even if Paul, Anthony and Stoudemire did join forces in New York, they wouldn't quite measure up to the Miami trio.

To see why, let's take a look at John Hollinger's estimated wins added metric that quantifies a player's production on a win scale. James, Wade and Bosh combined for 72 wins worth of production last season. No, this doesn't mean they alone would win 72 games; the rules don't allow just three players on a roster, nor would they continue to see the magnitude of alpha-dog touches they enjoyed last year. A slice into their usage would drag that 72-win total down, but only slightly (Hollinger himself sees 61 wins for the Heat next season). And those 72 wins dwarf the win total that Paul, Anthony and Stoudemire produced last season. In fact, the latter three tallied about 30 fewer wins last season for a total of 42.2 victories of combined performance. And even when we sub in Paul's 28.4 EWA from 2008-09 to counteract his injury-shortened 10.9 EWA mark from last season, the Paul-Anthony-Stoudemire trio still falls 12 wins short of Miami's.

Let's step aside from the numeric exercise for a moment and consider the on-court dynamics, which can't be discounted. With Paul running the point, Anthony flanking on the perimeter and Stoudemire anchoring the block, their functions would complement each other better than the Miami trio, which would have James and Wade occasionally overlapping on the wing. But the seamless synergy with Paul-Anthony-Stoudemire probably wouldn't make up the difference, since the quality of the parts still matter when examining the whole, and the versatility of James and Wade will help sort out the perimeter conflicts.

But as long as we're using our wildest imaginations, can we design a more potent three-headed monster than James-Wade-Bosh? Actually, we can.

Employing the star-studded template of a point guard, wing scorer and big man, imagine this triumvirate: Paul, Kevin Durant and Dwight Howard in Oklahoma City. Collectively, again using Paul's 2008-09 injury-free season, this group would edge the Miami trio with a total of 78.7 wins.

The scary thing? Depending on how the new collective bargaining agreement shakes out, it could be a viable scenario down the road. Howard and Paul each control their destiny in the summer of 2012, as they have player options for the 2012-13 season. Should the two opt out of their respective contracts with Orlando and New Orleans, the potential is there for a more powerful union than the one we just witnessed.

To be sure, there's a difference between a plausible scenario and a realistic one. It's hard to imagine Paul and Howard leaving money on the table to make the trio happen; the owners will try to bargain for a harder, lower salary cap in the imminent meetings with the Player's Association. A slice in spending power would all but prohibit Paul and Howard joining Durant in Oklahoma City.

Still, we can dream right? Especially when one just became a reality.

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7/13/2010  11:37 PM
a Dwight, CP3 & Durant big 3 would beat the Miami Big 3 IMHO.
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7/13/2010  11:44 PM
TMS wrote:a Dwight, CP3 & Durant big 3 would beat the Miami Big 3 IMHO.

I kind of question Miami's big 3 and how they will work together. They are all ball dominant players. These guys won't be averaging their ~25ppg per year each. If they share who are they sharing to?

Now, I will say, and maybe my POV on the following should apply to the Heat, when the Celtics put together KG-PP-RA I felt you now had three superstars who were of the type to share the ball and make each other and their teammates better. It turned out they were (yeah, go me, lol) but I just for some reason don't see the same going on in Miami. We have three divas, three Queens (or, well, QUEEENS).

Maybe they put it together but I don't think the three are mature enough to do so.

The league may see otherwise and put the cHeat in a category we've never seen before: Most free throws attempted in a season by far.... (I've been calling them the cHeat since Anthony Carter threw the ball in the hoop illegally from behind the backboard putting us down I think 3-2 at that point) [then wasnt the following game where Zo had 33 and kept laughing "you cant guard me" at the camera every time he scored...and after 3 quarters it seemed it was over... until Ewing dominated the 4th Q and brought us back from way down to a victory? Someone help me there...]

Yet that's not the point of this post.

In regards to the cHeat you can see they are now coattail riders. Washed up vets who can still play a few minutes a game are lining up to fill out their roster. I really hope they add TMac and Allen Iverson. Two detriments to team play.

If Miami fails it will be great to watch the three Queens lose their aura.

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7/13/2010  11:45 PM
TMS wrote:a Dwight, CP3 & Durant big 3 would beat the Miami Big 3 IMHO.

I need to make that team in 2K10 right now!

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7/14/2010  12:14 AM
I know this article is just a quick take on the situation using a gimmicky estimated wins stat, but it feels rather hurried and under researched. How can you quickly dismiss the "synergy" a Paul, Melo and Stoudemire tandem would create. Also, Melo and Stoudemire obviously played in a tougher conference than Bosh, Paul or Wade, so wouldn't you have to factor that in.

What about talent? Stoudemire was playing with another Hall of Famer, so he didn't have to shoulder as much of the burden as Wade or Bosh.

Also, don't you have to look at the rosters. Assuming this happens during a two year period, Paul and Melo would be looking at a roster with Danillo and Randolph as well. Assuming Randolph keeps developing...hell lets not assume. Right now he's already better than Haslem and Big Z.

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7/14/2010  12:58 AM
The Heat look invincible on paper but they have a long road ahead of them.

The 2004 "Dream Team" had the following players and failed to win the Gold Medal.

Lebron James,
Dwayne Wade,
Tim Duncan,
Amare Stoudemire,
Allen Iverson,
Carmelo Anthony,
Shawn Marion,
Lamar Odom,
Stephon Marbury,
Carlos Boozer
Emeka Okafor
Richard Jefferson

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7/14/2010  8:59 AM
these types of stats are so stupid. They really are. Hollinger is a blow hard. I remember when the magical PER stat came out. KG, Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk.... these were the leaders in that stat. Wow... like I needed a magical formula to tell me that.

That Miami team is definatly a 60 win team sure... even without great size they will run up the score every night just like MDAs Suns did. But what happens in the playoffs? Size, defense and rebounding have traditionally won there. Look at the finals. Kobe shot 33% for the series, but look at how many FTs LA took vs. Bos.

Miami is built for a lot of regular season wins. Lets see what happens in the post season when size affects every possesion. If they win they win. I'm looking forward to watching. A Haslem/BigZ froncourt doesnt look like a title winner to me.

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7/14/2010  9:33 AM
didnt durant just sign a 5 year deal?
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7/14/2010  10:08 AM
this is so funny. it truly has become professional wrestling. 3 "behemoths" v another 3 behemoths.

fortunately it's all bull**** talking now. the true fun comes in the spring when the championship walks. let's hope it's as entertaining as this year’s was.

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7/14/2010  12:28 PM
tj23 wrote:didnt durant just sign a 5 year deal?

he did... it was just a rhetorical observation.

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