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Do we have enough cap space left to absorb Peja's $15mm salary? (I want Darren Collison)
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fishmike
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7/9/2010  11:20 AM
I'm thinking NO would jump at the chance to dump Peja's bloated salary and would be willing to lose Collison.

Collison is a lightning quick PG. He put up great numbers w/ CP3 out last year and I think that really solidifies our roster with a legit ball distributor.

NO would cut out $17mm in salary. We could keep Peja as a shooter, trade him at the deadline or just let him expire.

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7/9/2010  11:23 AM

	2010 Under Contract
Amare Stoudamire 16,200,000.00
Eddy Curry 11,276,863.00
Ronny Turiaf 4,000,000.00
Kelenna Azubuike 3,364,000.00
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00
Wilson Chandler 2,130,481.00
Anthony Randolph 1,965,720.00
Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00
Bill Walker 854,389.00
Landry Fields 473,604.00
Andy Rautins 473,604.00
Jerome Jordan 473,604.00


Under Contract 45,587,825.00
Salary Cap 58,084,000.00
Cap Space 12,496,175.00


Eddy Curry and Kelenna Azubuike total 14.64 mil in ending contracts (Within 125% of 18,300,000)

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fishmike
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7/9/2010  11:27 AM
Kam... thanks for that. So we are about $4mm short. Maybe we include Azubuke in the deal. I like him a lot (he's been hurt) but I would definatly do that.

We would be a good team next year. A playoff team IMO (45wins?) and we would have $27mm in expiring contracts to work with either at the deadline or to use for cap space the following year.

What do you guys think? I think Collison would be brilliant here. He's a bit untested maybe...

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kam77
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7/9/2010  11:36 AM
Yes to Collison. But i detest Peja as a player.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/9/2010  11:39 AM
One poster on RealGm wrote something about the Knicks potentially getting a 6.6 mil exception if they sign and trade Harrington to Orlando. That would probably give the Knicks enough space to take on Peja. I am not sure about Peja as a player at this point. Are his struggle due to injuries/recovery or is he done?
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7/9/2010  11:51 AM
Guys... Peja sucks. He would be a 15-20 minute a night spot up shooter for us. He is nothing more than a $$ vessel to get me my PG of the present and future here.

Collison's last 37 games (since becoming a starter)

19ppg 9assists 3.5rebs 1.4steals 49%FGs 42% 3pts FGs.

Only one red flag: 4TOs (but 9assists to 4TOs isnt a disaster)

Screw Peja... but you gotta pay to get sometimes. I would def pay here.

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7/9/2010  11:51 AM
CrushAlot wrote:One poster on RealGm wrote something about the Knicks potentially getting a 6.6 mil exception if they sign and trade Harrington to Orlando. That would probably give the Knicks enough space to take on Peja. I am not sure about Peja as a player at this point. Are his struggle due to injuries/recovery or is he done?
Orl is capped. We would have to get a player back from them.
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7/9/2010  11:54 AM
CrushAlot wrote:One poster on RealGm wrote something about the Knicks potentially getting a 6.6 mil exception if they sign and trade Harrington to Orlando. That would probably give the Knicks enough space to take on Peja. I am not sure about Peja as a player at this point. Are his struggle due to injuries/recovery or is he done?
I would do it for Pietrus.

Still need a PG but Pietrus could our Raja Bell. GREAT defender. Streaky shooter but we need defense on the wings. He can Douglas off the bench could be a lock-down combo

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7/9/2010  11:55 AM
fishmike wrote:Guys... Peja sucks. He would be a 15-20 minute a night spot up shooter for us. He is nothing more than a $$ vessel to get me my PG of the present and future here.

Collison's last 37 games (since becoming a starter)

19ppg 9assists 3.5rebs 1.4steals 49%FGs 42% 3pts FGs.

Only one red flag: 4TOs (but 9assists to 4TOs isnt a disaster)

Screw Peja... but you gotta pay to get sometimes. I would def pay here.

exactly, plus his contract expires after this year, so it's really a win-win. i would think we would have to send NO a little more then Curry/Azibuke (since it's basically expiring for expiring) I still think we'd have to use Chandler, but I'm fine with that.

Curry/Chandler/Azibuke for Collison/Peja

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7/9/2010  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2010  12:10 PM
I finally agree with Fishmike!

I would take Collison in a heartbeat. The kid is at least a semi-star player. Taking over games like he did as as rookie is special. But I would only do it if Peja expires soon.

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Having said that I don't think New Orleans will trade Collison to the Knicks. What can the Knicks offer to make them give up a nice young prospect like Collison? He makes great Chris Paul insurance and he even lets them consider trading Paul in order to beef up the rest of their team or acquire assets and cap space to improve while still building a nice young core. (Like the Knicks should have.)

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7/9/2010  12:02 PM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:One poster on RealGm wrote something about the Knicks potentially getting a 6.6 mil exception if they sign and trade Harrington to Orlando. That would probably give the Knicks enough space to take on Peja. I am not sure about Peja as a player at this point. Are his struggle due to injuries/recovery or is he done?
Orl is capped. We would have to get a player back from them.

Orlando has a 6.6 trade exemption from the Turk trade or some trade they pulled off that expires today.

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7/9/2010  12:08 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:Guys... Peja sucks. He would be a 15-20 minute a night spot up shooter for us. He is nothing more than a $$ vessel to get me my PG of the present and future here.

Collison's last 37 games (since becoming a starter)

19ppg 9assists 3.5rebs 1.4steals 49%FGs 42% 3pts FGs.

Only one red flag: 4TOs (but 9assists to 4TOs isnt a disaster)

Screw Peja... but you gotta pay to get sometimes. I would def pay here.

exactly, plus his contract expires after this year, so it's really a win-win. i would think we would have to send NO a little more then Curry/Azibuke (since it's basically expiring for expiring) I still think we'd have to use Chandler, but I'm fine with that.

Curry/Chandler/Azibuke for Collison/Peja

NY4, this would be a straight salary dump by NO. We can absorb the contract of Peja (which expires in 2011) -- they wouldn't take back Curry, which also expires in 2011. The thought is if we paid for Peja, would they give us Collison.

Numbers wise, we would need to give them Kelenna to make the numbers work, but Kelenna cannot be included in a multiplayer trade because he was just traded. So unless the David Lee trade is still pending with the NBA office and can be restructured as a 3-way with NO, this is not going to happen.

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7/9/2010  12:16 PM
We should be on the phone right now with Raymond Felton. Chris Paul is a pipe dream and we won't have enough room to go after both Tony Parker AND Carmelo Anthony next summer. And obviously Melo is a MUST. So Felton should be signed. I don't think he'll be too expensive. $6M should be enough, right? He's only 26 and has the speed and courtvision and improved shooting to be Mike D'Antoni's QB in SSOL.
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7/9/2010  12:27 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:Guys... Peja sucks. He would be a 15-20 minute a night spot up shooter for us. He is nothing more than a $$ vessel to get me my PG of the present and future here.

Collison's last 37 games (since becoming a starter)

19ppg 9assists 3.5rebs 1.4steals 49%FGs 42% 3pts FGs.

Only one red flag: 4TOs (but 9assists to 4TOs isnt a disaster)

Screw Peja... but you gotta pay to get sometimes. I would def pay here.

exactly, plus his contract expires after this year, so it's really a win-win. i would think we would have to send NO a little more then Curry/Azibuke (since it's basically expiring for expiring) I still think we'd have to use Chandler, but I'm fine with that.

Curry/Chandler/Azibuke for Collison/Peja

NY4, this would be a straight salary dump by NO. We can absorb the contract of Peja (which expires in 2011) -- they wouldn't take back Curry, which also expires in 2011. The thought is if we paid for Peja, would they give us Collison.

Numbers wise, we would need to give them Kelenna to make the numbers work, but Kelenna cannot be included in a multiplayer trade because he was just traded. So unless the David Lee trade is still pending with the NBA office and can be restructured as a 3-way with NO, this is not going to happen.

oh.. my bad on misreading fish's post, even though it's in the thread title

in the case, yes, you HAVE to do make this trade. peja expires after this year and we can pay him, while NO probably can't. to get collison, you have to do this.

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7/9/2010  1:39 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:One poster on RealGm wrote something about the Knicks potentially getting a 6.6 mil exception if they sign and trade Harrington to Orlando. That would probably give the Knicks enough space to take on Peja. I am not sure about Peja as a player at this point. Are his struggle due to injuries/recovery or is he done?
Orl is capped. We would have to get a player back from them.

Orlando has a 6.6 trade exemption from the Turk trade or some trade they pulled off that expires today.

oh nice! we should grab that for good ole al harrington!

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7/9/2010  1:42 PM
iSergio wrote:We should be on the phone right now with Raymond Felton. Chris Paul is a pipe dream and we won't have enough room to go after both Tony Parker AND Carmelo Anthony next summer. And obviously Melo is a MUST. So Felton should be signed. I don't think he'll be too expensive. $6M should be enough, right? He's only 26 and has the speed and courtvision and improved shooting to be Mike D'Antoni's QB in SSOL.
Felton just isnt that good a player
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7/9/2010  1:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2010  3:17 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:Guys... Peja sucks. He would be a 15-20 minute a night spot up shooter for us. He is nothing more than a $$ vessel to get me my PG of the present and future here.

Collison's last 37 games (since becoming a starter)

19ppg 9assists 3.5rebs 1.4steals 49%FGs 42% 3pts FGs.

Only one red flag: 4TOs (but 9assists to 4TOs isnt a disaster)

Screw Peja... but you gotta pay to get sometimes. I would def pay here.

exactly, plus his contract expires after this year, so it's really a win-win. i would think we would have to send NO a little more then Curry/Azibuke (since it's basically expiring for expiring) I still think we'd have to use Chandler, but I'm fine with that.

Curry/Chandler/Azibuke for Collison/Peja

NY4, this would be a straight salary dump by NO. We can absorb the contract of Peja (which expires in 2011) -- they wouldn't take back Curry, which also expires in 2011. The thought is if we paid for Peja, would they give us Collison.

Numbers wise, we would need to give them Kelenna to make the numbers work, but Kelenna cannot be included in a multiplayer trade because he was just traded. So unless the David Lee trade is still pending with the NBA office and can be restructured as a 3-way with NO, this is not going to happen.

oh.. my bad on misreading fish's post, even though it's in the thread title

in the case, yes, you HAVE to do make this trade. peja expires after this year and we can pay him, while NO probably can't. to get collison, you have to do this.

So, since you can't include Kelenna, would you include Chandler?

You know I gonna spin wit it
Do we have enough cap space left to absorb Peja's $15mm salary? (I want Darren Collison)

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