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1/15/2004  7:46 PM
Moreover, Wilkens an older version of Chaney? Good guy, respectful of players, but not a threat to confront problems or light a fire under guys. And that's what the Knicks - exempting Marbury and Kurt Thomas - crave. They need a coach to drive them, someone who has them ready to kill coming out of the locker room. "We hardly ever practiced," an ex-Raptor testifies, dumbfounded by the hire, "and when we did practice we hardly did anything. We'd be in the gym an hour and do nothing. We had to do extra stuff just to stay in shape." NY

"Wilkens is known for his mellow personality, which resembles Chaney's, and his light practices. Wilkens was accused by insiders of running a "country-club atmosphere" in Toronto. Charles Oakley was said to be a big detractor and, ironically, showed up for last night's game. Vince Carter also ripped Wilkens when he was fired."


And you guys think I will get hyped over a guy like this!!!!!!!

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1/15/2004  8:34 PM
Posted by playa2:

Moreover, Wilkens an older version of Chaney? Good guy, respectful of players, but not a threat to confront problems or light a fire under guys. And that's what the Knicks - exempting Marbury and Kurt Thomas - crave. They need a coach to drive them, someone who has them ready to kill coming out of the locker room. "We hardly ever practiced," an ex-Raptor testifies, dumbfounded by the hire, "and when we did practice we hardly did anything. We'd be in the gym an hour and do nothing. We had to do extra stuff just to stay in shape." NY

"Wilkens is known for his mellow personality, which resembles Chaney's, and his light practices. Wilkens was accused by insiders of running a "country-club atmosphere" in Toronto. Charles Oakley was said to be a big detractor and, ironically, showed up for last night's game. Vince Carter also ripped Wilkens when he was fired."


And you guys think I will get hyped over a guy like this!!!!!!!
Why not, you loved Chaney! 2 -face.
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1/15/2004  8:52 PM
whats up fellow knick fans...just joined after lurking for a while....The only thing about Chaney and Wilkens that are the same are the fact they are players coaches and they have class. Wilkens is a very good in game coach, which is where Chaney was the worst. No more playing zone and getting killed for 3 qtrs. No more 12 man rotation. This is a big improvement. Plus Lenny has about 1200 more wins than Chaney so he is proven. The NBA is a stars league, this isnt the NFL where coaches can be hard asses. Most coaches in the NBA are player friendly or they are out of a job quickly. Only Riles can still get away with that. Good hire considering who was out there. Isiah is on a roll.
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1/16/2004  7:25 AM
Mike Fratello refuted reports he had negotiations with the Knicks and they broke down because he wanted too much money, too many years and too much power.

"We never got to a negotiation, we never talked a nickel," Fratello said.

However, a confidant said Fratello was turned off by the Isiah requirement that Mark Aguirre be on the bench. The confidant said Fratello viewed it as a set-up, with Aguirre being groomed as the next Knick coach or Isiah's top assistant for next season.

Wilkens plans to bring in two more assistants with his longtime sidekick Dick Helm the leading candidate. He is 70.

I told YOU Zeke was using THE HALLOF FAMER like a damn puppet. People in toronto know what they are talking about!!!!
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1/16/2004  10:11 AM
Outlook is bleak for Lenny

By BILL HARRIS

Predicting disaster for the New York Knicks is like shooting fish in a barrel. The basketball marriage between Knicks president Isiah Thomas and new coach Lenny Wilkens will end horribly, of course. Why? Because things always end horribly in the NBA. It's incredibly rare that GMs and coaches live harmoniously for more than short periods.

But exactly when it will end horribly for the Thomas-Wilkens partnership -- which officially began yesterday with a news conference in New York -- is open to debate.

"When Isiah talked to me, I hesitated a minute," Wilkens said. "I almost wanted to say, 'Are you sure?' "

That's a question a lot of people are asking. But given the Knicks already are eight games below .500, it's tough to gauge what will be perceived as success.

Wilkens certainly inherited a more talented roster when he took over the Raptors in the summer of 2000. And while this has been wilfully forgotten by many Raptors fans, Wilkens was not an immediate disaster in Toronto. In fact, the Raptors enjoyed their best season in 2000-01.

The Raptors veterans initially responded to Wilkens' calmness, which served as an antidote to the Butch Carter regime. It was when the Raptors became less talented that Wilkens' shortcomings contributed to franchise paralysis.

Asked about his Toronto tenure, Wilkens said, "The thing I learned is, don't get that many players injured. That was the most frustrating experience I ever had."

No one asked the follow-up question, "If injuries were the only thing that went wrong in Toronto, why were you fired?"

On the day Wilkens was let go last spring, Raptors guard Vince Carter said the club needed a coach who understood today's game. Wilkens replied yesterday that he didn't "pay it any mind because many players will say things to distract from themselves."

In any event, Wilkens' most important task in New York will be to mentor, if not coddle, Thomas' first marquee acquisition, Stephon Marbury. It was amusing to see Marbury wander into the news conference yesterday. "Here comes another Brooklyn guy," Wilkens said as the two embraced.

Raptors fans will wince as they recall the last time they witnessed such an "unscripted" scene, when Carter sauntered into the news conference to announce Hakeem Olajuwon's signing. We all know how that turned out.

But being objective, there is one major organizational difference between the Raptors' hiring of Wilkens and the Knicks' hiring of Wilkens: The cash-rich Knicks won't be afraid to fire him if things go wrong. This is regardless of the fact Wilkens reportedly signed a four-year deal at about $5 million US annually, which, fortuitously for the Raptors, essentially wipes out their remaining financial obligation to him.

The mistake the Raptors made was not their decision to hire Wilkens, but rather their decision to keep him for three full seasons even though it was clear midway through the second year that things were going downhill. Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd., was too cheap to buy out Wilkens, so Raptors general manager Glen Grunwald's hands were tied. The Knicks will have no such monetary reservations, so they can tie the can to Wilkens -- and Thomas, too -- the split-second they don't like what they see.

Many have condemned Thomas' sloppy dismissal of coach Don Chaney on Wednesday. But, for the record, on Late Night with David Letterman on Tuesday, Thomas did not make light of Chaney's situation, contrary to what has been reported.

It was Letterman who asked Thomas about Chaney. Thomas gave a non-answer answer. Then Letterman said, "So, in other words, Chaney's finished." The audience laughed and Letterman gave Thomas a playful nudge. Thomas smiled uncomfortably.

There will be more uncomfortable moments for Thomas and Wilkens in the future. Things will fall apart eventually. They always do. That's the NBA way.

But remember, Wilkens' first year in Toronto went fairly well. So as he starts anew with yet another team, there may be more of a grace period than some observers think.
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1/16/2004  10:58 AM
" Wilkens is a very good in game coach, which is where Chaney was the worst."

you said it. Wilkins is a great in game coach and knows how to teach. As for practice I dont know what to say. For me its all about results and Lenny gets them. Everyone seems to want to talk about his last year in Tor but what about the one before? The year before when his Raptors beat the Knicks in 5 games (that game 5 was AT MSG). JVG went home, and the Raptors were a game 7 finger roll away from from going to the East Con finals.

This whole thing that a coach needs a certain style is silly. This is a veteran team and I expect they will react well to having a hall of fame player/coach thats a great in game coach as well.

He's a good leader and I expect him to be a good fit for Steph as well.
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1/16/2004  4:09 PM
All you can really do is hope! We needed a coach who would light some fire under the knicks not some I use to realte to players back in the day type of coach coming in here with a resume that dates back to when players played with daisy dukes on. Give it time knicks fans, Zeke is using Wilkens to hire Mark Aguirre or himself.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/16/2004 16:45:08]
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1/16/2004  4:13 PM
I think that the knicks wil get the fire under them. Zeke most likely wont just stop coming to the practices and he will b the one to light the fires. I forgot who posted it but someone made a good point that Wilkens is just going to basically be a cover up. Zeke will help wilkens during practices and everything, only wilkens will b the one to get the credit of coaching
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1/16/2004  5:07 PM
Neither Wilkens nor Fratello are ideal for the Knicks' situation, but given the available options for mid-season replacements, Wilkens is an acceptable choice. I just hope he runs longer practices than he is reputed to conduct.
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1/16/2004  5:27 PM
Remember an old dog doesn't change!
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1/16/2004  5:48 PM
His first order of business will be growing accustomed to a roster that, until Thursday, he had only seen a handful of times on television.

Wilkens said he will welcome input from Thomas,

``I feel like it's my team right now -- or I should say Stephon's team,'' Wilkens said.

The Knicks enter a stretch of six games in nine days that includes a matinee matchup with Wilkens' last team, the Raptors, on Monday.

After being fired, Wilkens spent time at home in Seattle playing golf and tennis. He received a phone call from Thomas on Wednesday morning and had the job just a few hours later.

``I never gave much thought to whether my coaching days were over or not.
This guy was a last minute move by Zeke, there was no planning or nothing. I said this before Zeke wanted a puppet that he can actually coach the team from the GM position. This is so Bogus it ain't funny.
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1/16/2004  5:56 PM
Playa, I hope you are wrong, I hope this is not a band-aid fix for another let down in the making
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1/17/2004  12:21 AM
The coach was asked if he is bothered that he has a reputation for being laid-back "No, because I wouldn't have won as many games," he said. "That doesn't happen by chance. I'm not a yeller, not a screamer, but you're accountable and you know it because you're going to know your role and your're going to know what I expect" " I don't have to yell and scream to sit you down. If you still don't get it you don't play. To me, if you take the minutes away, that's more meaningful than yelling and screaming."

Last year Carter played poorly and brought the team down since the ball goes threw him. But Wilkins did make the playoffs without Carter one yr. And was one shot from going to the ECC. He also won a championship in the past. He is the safe smart choice.
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1/17/2004  1:19 AM
The latest quote from Lenny:

When you come to the Garden, you'd better bring your best basketball."

The NBA has been officially put on notice.


Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/17/2004  9:45 AM
Why are you giving the green light to a guy who hasn't proved himself yet? Have we played anyone with a decent record yet that merits all these accolades? You are being hypocritcal, because when we won 4 staright with Chaney you said the teams that were are opponents weren't good enough. Now we defeat seattle and Horrible orlando and you wanna start a ticker tape parade? YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AGAIN FOR WRONGFULLY ACCUSSING ME DOING THE SAME THING.
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1/17/2004  10:30 AM
Posted by Bobby:

Outlook is bleak for Lenny

By BILL HARRIS

Predicting disaster for the New York Knicks is like shooting fish in a barrel. The basketball marriage between Knicks president Isiah Thomas and new coach Lenny Wilkens will end horribly, of course. Why? Because things always end horribly in the NBA. It's incredibly rare that GMs and coaches live harmoniously for more than short periods.

But exactly when it will end horribly for the Thomas-Wilkens partnership -- which officially began yesterday with a news conference in New York -- is open to debate.

"When Isiah talked to me, I hesitated a minute," Wilkens said. "I almost wanted to say, 'Are you sure?' "

That's a question a lot of people are asking. But given the Knicks already are eight games below .500, it's tough to gauge what will be perceived as success.

Wilkens certainly inherited a more talented roster when he took over the Raptors in the summer of 2000. And while this has been wilfully forgotten by many Raptors fans, Wilkens was not an immediate disaster in Toronto. In fact, the Raptors enjoyed their best season in 2000-01.

The Raptors veterans initially responded to Wilkens' calmness, which served as an antidote to the Butch Carter regime. It was when the Raptors became less talented that Wilkens' shortcomings contributed to franchise paralysis.

Asked about his Toronto tenure, Wilkens said, "The thing I learned is, don't get that many players injured. That was the most frustrating experience I ever had."

No one asked the follow-up question, "If injuries were the only thing that went wrong in Toronto, why were you fired?"

On the day Wilkens was let go last spring, Raptors guard Vince Carter said the club needed a coach who understood today's game. Wilkens replied yesterday that he didn't "pay it any mind because many players will say things to distract from themselves."

In any event, Wilkens' most important task in New York will be to mentor, if not coddle, Thomas' first marquee acquisition, Stephon Marbury. It was amusing to see Marbury wander into the news conference yesterday. "Here comes another Brooklyn guy," Wilkens said as the two embraced.

Raptors fans will wince as they recall the last time they witnessed such an "unscripted" scene, when Carter sauntered into the news conference to announce Hakeem Olajuwon's signing. We all know how that turned out.

But being objective, there is one major organizational difference between the Raptors' hiring of Wilkens and the Knicks' hiring of Wilkens: The cash-rich Knicks won't be afraid to fire him if things go wrong. This is regardless of the fact Wilkens reportedly signed a four-year deal at about $5 million US annually, which, fortuitously for the Raptors, essentially wipes out their remaining financial obligation to him.

The mistake the Raptors made was not their decision to hire Wilkens, but rather their decision to keep him for three full seasons even though it was clear midway through the second year that things were going downhill. Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd., was too cheap to buy out Wilkens, so Raptors general manager Glen Grunwald's hands were tied. The Knicks will have no such monetary reservations, so they can tie the can to Wilkens -- and Thomas, too -- the split-second they don't like what they see.

Many have condemned Thomas' sloppy dismissal of coach Don Chaney on Wednesday. But, for the record, on Late Night with David Letterman on Tuesday, Thomas did not make light of Chaney's situation, contrary to what has been reported.

It was Letterman who asked Thomas about Chaney. Thomas gave a non-answer answer. Then Letterman said, "So, in other words, Chaney's finished." The audience laughed and Letterman gave Thomas a playful nudge. Thomas smiled uncomfortably.

There will be more uncomfortable moments for Thomas and Wilkens in the future. Things will fall apart eventually. They always do. That's the NBA way.

But remember, Wilkens' first year in Toronto went fairly well. So as he starts anew with yet another team, there may be more of a grace period than some observers think.

what a dumb article. the person who wrote this obviosly doesn't know basketball and what it's all about. he perdicts that the knicks will fall a apart because it always happens in the nba. what kind of a retarded perdiction is this. he shows no real facts to back-up his perdiction. what an idiot writer. he doesn't know what a team needs to be a winner and what good coach does when he knows he has a good team. those years in tronto, lenny had carter and mcgrady together so they showed their skill level by beating the knicks in the first round. lenny had a injured carter the next year and still managed to take his team to the playoffs with a 13game winning streak. last year, the raptors had an injured carter for the majority of the season and a team that really lacked a main scorer. we all know what happens to a team when guys like alvin williams, gerome williams, antonio davis, even old veterans like oakly that lack skills at their old age, are expected to step up their game to create a winning team. the team had no good second option scorer next to carter and a recipe for a losing record was inevitable. there was no way that any coach in the nba could make that team a winner.
do you remember what lenny did with guys like steve smith, allen henderson, mutombo, etc.. in atlanta. that team wasn't that good of a tema talent wise but he still made that team out to be a winner.
lenny's resume speaks for itself, he has won whereever he has gone and has only lost when there is no real chance for the team to win.
as for practice, who cares, if the team wins, wouldn't it be considered a good idea.
and for the team falling apart, this team has core of good player for at least the next two years - barring any injury, they should be fine with lenny. and you must remember that this guy in 66, so he will be gone after the 4 years of his contract. be then the thomas and the knicks most probably will have one of the best teams in the east and isiah could make a smooth transition into a coaching position with the team.
this writer doesn't tell me any real point of why this team will fall a-part, so, fi-re ha-rr-is.
what a writer!
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1/17/2004  1:36 PM
What did he do the last game as a coach...call timouts? I am waiting to see him coach against a real good team with a good coach.
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1/17/2004  1:59 PM
he's been a coach for one game dude. calling time-outs and having a solid player rotation was good enough for a blow-out win. imagine if he really puts his finger-prints on this team. the winningest coach could make this team the winningest in the east this year. if you are a true knicks fan, you must be optimistic and show some love for the current knicks team along with the coach. if changes are necessary, it's thomas' job and i think he wont diappoint.
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1/17/2004  5:16 PM
The Knicks need a kick

by Steve Kerr
January 14, 2004




Lenny Wilkens? Lenny Wilkens! Oh my. If there's one thing Isiah Thomas can do, it's shock us.

A week after surprising everyone by delivering the NBA's biggest trade of the season, Thomas stunned basketball fans on Wednesday by hiring Wilkens, the league's all-time winningest coach, to lead the New York Knicks.

Perhaps Wilkens is Isiah's version of Hubie Brown or Joe Gibbs – a wise old sage returning to show the young ballers how to play the game. The problem is that the Knicks are a veteran team in need of fire and passion – two things Wilkens doesn't have much of anymore.

Anyone who saw the Toronto Raptors play during Wilkens' last year and a half as their head coach might question whether New York hired the right man. To be fair, the Raptors were decimated by injuries. But that's no excuse for not competing. That team lacked intensity and caved in down the stretch last season – something a coach cannot allow.

There's no denying Wilkens' knowledge and love of the game. I played for him in Cleveland with some very good Cavaliers teams, and he was an excellent coach. His offensive sets were solid, with good spacing and ball movement.

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He was a veteran's coach – not a disciplinarian, but perfect for an experienced good team. He provided direction and knowledge, and we won a lot of games.

The only thing missing, I felt, was an occasional outburst or motivational speech. That's just not Lenny's style, which was okay for a Cavaliers team that featured veterans like Mark Price, Larry Nance and Brad Daugherty. But for a Knicks team wallowing in mediocrity and in need of a good kick in the pants, I'm not sure if Lenny is the man.

Isiah might have been better served by following the example of fellow GM Kiki Vandeweghe. A year ago, I watched a young Denver team led by Jeff Bzdelik compete night-in and night-out despite a shortage of talent and a terrible record.

But their hungry young coach – who Vandeweghe had hired – worked tirelessly to establish a winning culture and motivate a talentless team to play hard all season. And while that team didn't win many games, it laid the foundation for this year's Nuggets, who are the surprise team of the NBA.

Bzdelik's task was not an easy one. It took energy and countless hours of work, discipline and persuasion to get his team to change its ways. The Knicks are not a young, talent-challenged team like Denver was, but they are in a position where they need a similar change. Not just a coaching change – an attitude change. A change of culture. An infusion of energy and fire.

Can Lenny Wilkens provide that? Is he the right man for the job? It's tough to imagine. Time will tell.

One thing is for sure: If it doesn't go well for Lenny and the Knicks, don't be surprised if Isiah shocks us all over again.

Steve Kerr knows coaching you got to respect his knowledge, he had phil jackson, popovich as coaches.


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1/17/2004  6:15 PM
what the hell was bzdelik's record last year? 17-65. kerr is a fool. you would take intensity over wins? that is a foolish point because you look at the denver nuggets last year, they had almost a complete team last year expect for camby missing some games in the begginig of the season, and 17 games was all he could come up with, they had nene for whom if they had done their homework could have gotten amare staudamire, but in any case, kerr mentions the fact that lenny too had to work with a depleted or injured roster last year so how does he explain the 11 more victories than bzdelik. did you see what the raptors roaster looked like last year without carter. they had just 8 players dressed in some games.guys like alvin williams, davis, jerome williams were expected to step up for that team? ah come on. even bzdelik could agree to the fact that he had more of a team to work with then lenny did last year.
when you just don't have the team to work with, ne coach in the nba would have loosing record. except if you are jerry salone.
what is he talking about, "the knicks need a kick on the butt" "they need a yeller"
if kerr at all new what the knicks roster in about, he wouldn't make those silly remarks. he makes them because that idiot named chaney didn't have a game plan to play the rockets in that game he covered. the lost by 32 so the specualtion became that the knicks lack intensity.
NO SIR!!!!!!! the knicks lacked structure, a game plan, a proper rotation, a proper method of motivation, with that idiot named chaney coaching the team. i think that lenny bring all of those things. he doesn't need to yell, "he just needs to take away minutes from who ever isn't following his game plan" something mr. cheany didn't do with eisley, kurt, shandon, when they were comminting turnover after turnover. the knicks have a veteran group of individuals that just need to know the right type of game plan to be executed, and a good "in game rotation". that is what the knicks lacked and have received with lenny along with tons of knowledge and experience.
kerr himself was soft and slow,
AND HE'S TALKING?

man, kerr doesn't know **** in my opionion, all he knows is, how to fill up a page by writing a bunch of nonesense that doesn't make any point except "bash lenny about his personality" personality doesn't make a winner, it's the knowledge, the techniques a coach uses to get his team to win games, and believe you me, lenny has done a alot of that along with loosing but you can check out the teams he coached (weak little teams with guys like mark price having to be the main option)
oh yeah, and phil and pop could attest to the fact that you can't win without the michaels, pippens, duncans, robinson, and a great supporting cast players like kerr was. (i had to give him props about that)lenny didn't have that all of his coaching career, he had to mold and be creative with the gus williams', mark prices, steve smiths, carters, and now, marbury and allan and kvh(wow, that's a pretty good teams of scorers)
he will be FINE!
[Edited by - letitbeheard on 01/17/2004 18:24:32]

[Edited by - letitbeheard on 01/17/2004 18:40:32]
More than a joke! oh lenny

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