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technomaster
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1/15/2004  4:15 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't it Lenny Wilken's Hawks we thumped (and swept) in the Eastern Conference semi-finals in '99, when NBC was running those cool "one is fire, one is ice" commercials (regarding Sprewell/Houston). That was the series where Camby dunked the ball through Mutombo's head (as featured in SLAM).

This is the same Lenny Wilkens who coached those poor Craig Ehlo Cavs teams against Michael Jordan...

However.. on a more positive note, isn't the same Lenny Wilkens whose Raptors (after trading Mark Jackson for Childs) took out our hearts by beating us in a 5-game, 1st round series in 2001?

Coaching in the NBA has its ups and downs... the coach can get you to the playoffs... but following that, it's up to the players to finish it.

BTW, off topic--- whatever happened to Mookie Blaylock?
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1/15/2004  4:21 PM
You happen to be right on all counts here. Good post.

As for Mookie Blaylock, I believe he has been retired for a couple seasons now. But this morning I remembered him too, because we have a guy in Frank Williams who IMO has similar defensive tools as Blaylock (quick hands, can stay with his man real well). If Williams stays around, maybe Lenny can get the most out of Frank.
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1/15/2004  4:23 PM
Posted by technomaster:

BTW, off topic--- whatever happened to Mookie Blaylock?

I thought that Mookie Blaylock reinvented his game and is now playing for the Knicks under the equally ridiculas name of Moochie Norris....and you thought Moochie came out of nowhere and was discovered in the CBA.

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1/15/2004  4:24 PM
In both instances, Wilkens's teams lost to more talented teams. There is no shame in that.
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1/15/2004  4:44 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by technomaster:

BTW, off topic--- whatever happened to Mookie Blaylock?

I thought that Mookie Blaylock reinvented his game and is now playing for the Knicks under the equally ridiculas name of Moochie Norris....and you thought Moochie came out of nowhere and was discovered in the CBA.


mookie blaylock got his name from some alternative band... i forget which. mookie blaylock is NOT his real name.
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1/15/2004  5:22 PM
His real name is Darren Blaylock
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1/15/2004  5:28 PM
Pearl Jam was originally supposed to be called Mookie Blaylock.
I think the basketball player may have made a stink about it, but I'm not quite sure.
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1/18/2004  2:25 PM
Here is another statement made to show knicks fans will be dissappointd by this coach, just give it time!!!!





When the Bulls' Antonio Davis reviews last season with the Raptors, he wishes his former coach, Lenny Wilkens, would've realized he had to change his ways.
Davis, who faced the new Knick coach last night, said Wilkens' failure to throw a tirade or two his effectiveness during the Raptors' 24-58 season.

But Davis also took subtle digs at Vince Carter, too, for not responding to Wilkens' calm demeanor.

"I think just because we were losing and he didn't stand up and yell, cuss and scream, pull his hair out, people thought he didn't care," Davis said. "But behind closed doors he talked to us like men. And if you're not men, that was on you. Maybe as men we didn't understand. Maybe we needed to be yelled out, cussed out and screamed at."

Tomorrow, Wilkens battles the Raptors and chief critic Carter, who blasted him on his way out, saying the game had passed by Wilkens. Davis was more diplomatic, but still said, referring to the 66-year-old Hall of Fame coach, "I think we all have to stay in tune with the game and see what's going on and stay in tune with all the changes. And Lenny stood firm on his old ways and old beliefs. Sometimes it worked for us, sometimes it didn't."


Eastern confgood teams play will expose Lenny's OLD WAYS AND BELIEFS
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1/18/2004  3:08 PM
He's also the same coach who took over a 5-17 Seattle team that needed to make the playoffs back in 1979..

Not only did they make the playoffs, they won the whole Goddamn thing.. COULD HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF?????

Well, on Last Friday both teams might be sharing the same scenario if Lenny can get the knicks there as well.. We'll SEE!!!!
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1/18/2004  6:27 PM
That's when they wore daisy dukes as shorts , plz the game has changed and Lenny hasn't . Trust me it will all catch up to him and our beloved knicks.
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1/18/2004  6:37 PM
hey playa, stop bashing lenny with these artiles by dumb writer like kerr and harris. read your previos post on lenny again. i think it was "oh lenny" or something. there is a lot of information about that and why you might be wrong.
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1/18/2004  7:42 PM
Letitbeheard, I don't like Lenny as our head coach, Zeke called this guy last minute I really think we could have done better. Zeke has his own agenda and that is probably use of the brooklyln native crap to sell more tickets (dolans idea), when the guy haven't lived in NY IN OVER 30 yrs. I believe he will try and Groom his homeboy Mark Aguirre for the job and That deception is what I dislike about the hiring of Lenny as a front.
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1/18/2004  7:54 PM
Yes playa, we all know you were in love with Chaney and Layden lol.
Get over it, they are gone.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/18/2004  8:33 PM
Chaney and Layden are gone , don't deflect and bring that up. Deception is not good Larry Bird might know a little more about zeke than we think.
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1/18/2004  8:39 PM
Posted by simrud:

Yes playa, we all know you were in love with Chaney and Layden lol.
Get over it, they are gone.

BYAH!!! LOL Playa can't handle the truth!!
All he's gonna do is cry and moan and hate on Zeke because LayDown and Chaney got KICKED TO THE FRIGGIN CURB. That's the most hilarious part of the whole thing!!!

Real Knicks fans... Shake those haters the hell off and ROOT HARD for OUR TEAM.

The DARK AGES are over!!!

...for these are the days of the Messiah...
Messiah Thomas!!!

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01/18/2004 21:13:13]
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/18/2004  8:59 PM
Nobody was in love with Chaney and layden , they were the guys vangundy got us by getting grunfeld canned and by him leaving. I just wanted us to win. And I never liked gundy.
Zeke wasn't on any of you guys mind , he is a upgrade over layden no doubt, grunfeld could have probably did well himself.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/18/2004  9:18 PM
Posted by playa2:

Letitbeheard, I don't like Lenny as our head coach, Zeke called this guy last minute I really think we could have done better. Zeke has his own agenda and that is probably use of the brooklyln native crap to sell more tickets (dolans idea), when the guy haven't lived in NY IN OVER 30 yrs. I believe he will try and Groom his homeboy Mark Aguirre for the job and That deception is what I dislike about the hiring of Lenny as a front.
first of all, who do you think was a better choice for this job? was it the czar, do you know how much material i read and heard that knocked his tough "walking the ball up the court" style. it know that could all be a bunch of nonesense becouse we all know that steph is not going to walk the ball up the court.
the nba is also a business. i read that he was also asking for too much money and wanted a 4 year contract along with some say in the types of players that isaih brings in. so that didn't sit well with isiah.
is it brendon mallone? he just got fired so i can't say much about that. i would have liked to see him coach though because he led the expansion raptors franchise to the second best expansion record in nba history(22-60 i think). i would have given him a chance but dolan didn't want thomas to take a chance, he wanted to make the playoffs.
you thought pat riely would come here again? i believe isiah did contact him but got rejected. pat probably feels he has done everything he can do in the nba. he just wants to run the Heat and retire. that's what i would do
isiah said he was looking at some assistant coaches. i don't know what coaches so i can't really comment on that, all i know is that they didn't get the job.
he consisdered himself but had already decided that he couldn't do both. obviously every body thought so including me.
we all know that don was awefull. he certainly had to go as soon as possible.
as for thomas hiring his friend as a coach, we all know that isiah is going to become the coach in the future. so why not start with assembling your staff as soon as possible. he knew that who ever was going to coach the team had to bring an assistant in. so he hired aguire over lon kruger and dick helm came in for malone.
and as for coming to a quick decission on lenny, the knicks either needed mike to become the coach(isiah's first choice) as soon as possible, as we know, that didn't happen. why not give a call to the winningest coach of all time and ask him if he wants to do it. that worked out.
the knicks definately needed to fire chaney when they did, so the knicks couldn't afford to look for a coach longer because by then, the knicks could have lost more games and a chance at the last playoff spot.
it's hard to make a coaching change in the middle of the season but imo the knicks got what they needed.
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1/18/2004  9:54 PM
Playa could you please explain why you dislike Lenny and Thomas so much? The clock on Thomas is still ticking, if we make the playoffs we traded Lampe for Marbury and that is a great deal. (I personally like Thomas so far, as a person too, the way he kicked Chaney and Layden's bum players to the kurb, just like I imagined it, with proper humiliation ). Lenny is a good coah, not great, but good, so nothing to complain about there.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/19/2004  12:38 AM
Vital Lenny Wilkens history: One of few that won a championship without a MVP, winningest coach of all time, and Hall of Famer. That is the entre they want you to buy into, and maybe their justification to fire Chaney. Heaven forbids when Zeke acquired Starbury, Chaney, made it known he would like to finish the season with Starbury, showing a playoff run. Why the heck should we believe Chaney, his record speaks for himself, as one beat reporter put it.

And then if Chaney makes the playoffs in his final year, management might feel sorry for him and give him another chance, and another 3 year contract! Sorry Chaney, everybody knows players and coaching shows the best results in their final year. That's called playing for contract.

Talking about ones record speaking, as of lately, Lenny Laureate's record is not on the up. Last 3 year's with Toronto, 2000-2002 resulted with club finishing of 47-35; 42-40; 24-58 respectively. The 3 years before that with Atlanta finishing 50-32; 31-19 and 28-54 respectively raises the question WHY is Lenny going backwards? Can we expect the same in New York? And Please, peep out his playoff record during the same period.

This team has not won a championship in 30 years or so, team Salary can be split in 2 in creating another franchise. And you wonder why there's a zero acceptance factor for a replacement coach living off his laurels ?????

No hate intended in this post, we are not easily persuaded with changes hinting in improving marketing vs changes improving our team.

As the saying goes: my hat off to you for the past accomplishments. My coat off to you for what results you are about to achieve.

[Edited by - Bobby on 01/19/2004 00:45:24]
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1/19/2004  4:02 PM
Posted by playa2:

Chaney and Layden are gone , don't deflect and bring that up. Deception is not good Larry Bird might know a little more about zeke than we think.
like the fact that he's a better gm than him? like davis said, lenny talks to you like a man. if your not a man in nba he probably won't get through to you because you need to be yelled at. last i saw we have real men on our team. vetarans.
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