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firefly
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7/6/2010  7:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/6/2010  7:20 PM
Holy sh!t, is this really how the rest of the league views us!! Talk about damning with faint praise. Just seems like a really really REALLY bitter motherf**ker wrote this.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-knicksbacktobeingare

Knicks Back To Being A Real NBA Franchise
SportingNews
3 hours, 20 minutes ago


The New York Knicks set themselves up for failure, or at least disappointment, this summer. Their two-year drive to clear enough cap space to sign two max-contract superstars smacked of desperation, begging, and various other unsavory emotions.

The team simply seemed weak. Their dream of landing two-thirds of the James/Wade/Bosh troika essentially remained a pipe dream founded on the belief that superstar NBA players cannot have fun or become global icons in any city other than New York. That line of reasoning has always been tremendously faulty, but it was all the Knicks had to stand on. And now that they’ve hit the summer of 2010, the differences between them and the rest of the free-agent suitors have become stark.
To put it simply, the Knicks are a very bad basketball team. They don’t defend, have only one player who even approaches All-Star level in David Lee(notes) (and he’s likely heading elsewhere this summer) and are still trying to clean off the stench of the Isiah Thomas era. They’re a team in need of lots of help, and players like LeBron James(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes) don’t go to those teams unless they’re drafted by them.

Yes, the Knicks have met twice with LeBron and his management team and still maintain some hope of landing this summer’s top prize. But the odds are slim, and Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni have to know it. What once seemed like a summer that could transform the franchise has turned into one of reclamation, not becoming an instant championship contender.

The Knicks are simply not on the same level as the Bulls, Cavs, Heat, or even Nets, with their new ownership and bright future in Brooklyn. The situation in New York is dire in comparison, with little hope for a championship given the other players currently on the roster.

Of course, New York has already made their first move of the offseason in picking up Amare Stoudemire. Amare is a flawed player with questionable, although perhaps underrated, defensive abilities and surprisingly middling rebounding given his size, strength, and athleticism. If he is the Knicks’ big pickup of the summer, then this is still a team with lots of needs to get to a championship level.

Yet it’s a start. And while Amare is no LeBron or Wade, he is still a peerless scorer among big men who should be able to average somewhere around 28 ppg as the Knicks’ top option. It’s almost certain that Stoudemire will play at an All-Star level for New York and help them to challenge for the playoffs along with any other solid players they manage to pick up this summer.

Contending for a playoff spot was not the Knicks’ goal when free agency started last Thursday. They wanted to contend for a championship, like all teams. But this team was simply in no position to realize that dream, no matter how much the summer of 2010 promised. The Isiah Thomas era turned the Knicks into something beyond simply a bad team. They were a laughingstock, more fodder for late-night comedy shows than a team worth discussing in real basketball terms.

What the Amare Stoudemire deal does, as explained here by Sean Deveney, is to start the franchise on the long path back to respectability. The Knicks are no longer a team in disarray, but a squad that can win games, give opponents their best shot every night, and be discussed in terms of what they do on the court rather than in the front office.

That’s a major step, even if it doesn’t immediately translate to gobs of wins. With more moves, though, the Knicks would be even closer. If a rumored trade for Tony Parker(notes) develops, that would give Mike D’Antoni a much-needed lightning quick point guard to run the show. Add another scorer, and you have a real core in place to make noise in the East.

Again, this isn’t a championship team and might not be for years. But it was always a little odd for a team that hasn’t won a championship in more than 35 years to expect an instant contender forged in the fires of the summer. Unless a franchise gets lucky in the draft, building a championship team is a long, arduous process. What the Knicks have done this summer is to get that process started in concrete terms instead of pie-in-the-sky fantasies. With or without another star, the New York Knicks have reentered NBA reality.
More from Sporting News: NBA Running Free Agency Rumor Post: July 6

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7/6/2010  7:22 PM
You know what Firefly if you ever find out, I'll bring the chainsaw.
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
firefly
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7/6/2010  7:27 PM
I mean seriously, theres hate then there's HHHHHAAAAtTTtTTTEEEE. f***ing ridiculous.
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7/6/2010  7:30 PM
the author is one J. Ones Basketball...
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7/6/2010  7:38 PM
Really don't see the hate. If anything, I tend to agree with him, except Stat isn't going to be averaging 28 ppg. More like 24 imo.
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7/6/2010  7:46 PM
firefly wrote:Holy sh!t, is this really how the rest of the league views us!! Talk about damning with faint praise. Just seems like a really really REALLY bitter motherf**ker wrote this.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-knicksbacktobeingare

Knicks Back To Being A Real NBA Franchise
SportingNews
3 hours, 20 minutes ago


The New York Knicks set themselves up for failure, or at least disappointment, this summer. Their two-year drive to clear enough cap space to sign two max-contract superstars smacked of desperation, begging, and various other unsavory emotions.

The team simply seemed weak. Their dream of landing two-thirds of the James/Wade/Bosh troika essentially remained a pipe dream founded on the belief that superstar NBA players cannot have fun or become global icons in any city other than New York. That line of reasoning has always been tremendously faulty, but it was all the Knicks had to stand on. And now that they’ve hit the summer of 2010, the differences between them and the rest of the free-agent suitors have become stark.
To put it simply, the Knicks are a very bad basketball team. They don’t defend, have only one player who even approaches All-Star level in David Lee(notes) (and he’s likely heading elsewhere this summer) and are still trying to clean off the stench of the Isiah Thomas era. They’re a team in need of lots of help, and players like LeBron James(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes) don’t go to those teams unless they’re drafted by them.

Yes, the Knicks have met twice with LeBron and his management team and still maintain some hope of landing this summer’s top prize. But the odds are slim, and Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni have to know it. What once seemed like a summer that could transform the franchise has turned into one of reclamation, not becoming an instant championship contender.

The Knicks are simply not on the same level as the Bulls, Cavs, Heat, or even Nets, with their new ownership and bright future in Brooklyn. The situation in New York is dire in comparison, with little hope for a championship given the other players currently on the roster.

Of course, New York has already made their first move of the offseason in picking up Amare Stoudemire. Amare is a flawed player with questionable, although perhaps underrated, defensive abilities and surprisingly middling rebounding given his size, strength, and athleticism. If he is the Knicks’ big pickup of the summer, then this is still a team with lots of needs to get to a championship level.

Yet it’s a start. And while Amare is no LeBron or Wade, he is still a peerless scorer among big men who should be able to average somewhere around 28 ppg as the Knicks’ top option. It’s almost certain that Stoudemire will play at an All-Star level for New York and help them to challenge for the playoffs along with any other solid players they manage to pick up this summer.

Contending for a playoff spot was not the Knicks’ goal when free agency started last Thursday. They wanted to contend for a championship, like all teams. But this team was simply in no position to realize that dream, no matter how much the summer of 2010 promised. The Isiah Thomas era turned the Knicks into something beyond simply a bad team. They were a laughingstock, more fodder for late-night comedy shows than a team worth discussing in real basketball terms.

What the Amare Stoudemire deal does, as explained here by Sean Deveney, is to start the franchise on the long path back to respectability. The Knicks are no longer a team in disarray, but a squad that can win games, give opponents their best shot every night, and be discussed in terms of what they do on the court rather than in the front office.

That’s a major step, even if it doesn’t immediately translate to gobs of wins. With more moves, though, the Knicks would be even closer. If a rumored trade for Tony Parker(notes) develops, that would give Mike D’Antoni a much-needed lightning quick point guard to run the show. Add another scorer, and you have a real core in place to make noise in the East.

Again, this isn’t a championship team and might not be for years. But it was always a little odd for a team that hasn’t won a championship in more than 35 years to expect an instant contender forged in the fires of the summer. Unless a franchise gets lucky in the draft, building a championship team is a long, arduous process. What the Knicks have done this summer is to get that process started in concrete terms instead of pie-in-the-sky fantasies. With or without another star, the New York Knicks have reentered NBA reality.
More from Sporting News: NBA Running Free Agency Rumor Post: July 6

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7/6/2010  7:54 PM
Yeah it was rough, but whatever. Another biased sports writer, shock. The Yahoo Sports writers also hate A-Rod and take any opportunity to knock him also. Tools of a feather.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/6/2010  8:11 PM
There have been so many articles like this that it's made me numb to this kind of anti NY crap. All we can do is prove these guys wrong. None of these people pay any attention to the team or else they'd know that this team would be a whole lot better if we weren't trying to break it down over the last 2 years. There was a purpose to the losing and it had to do with getting a chance to get proven talent. IF you had a chance to pick up players as good as Bron, Wade, Bosh or Amare in one draft then you'd go nuts trying to make sure you have picks to get those guys. Over the last few years players that good haven't been available in the draft. Not IMO.

How are we any less desperate than these other teams trying to land 2 top FA's?

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7/6/2010  8:26 PM
so we can only get good players if we draft them... how's that diff than then cavs, who are on another level than us?
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7/6/2010  8:34 PM
What does this guy think the Cavs would do without LeBron? Hes acting like from a basketball standpoint they have some great situation there. They'd win 35 games if LeBron didn't play there, if that. Heck, Id even doubt that. The last 12 times LeBron has missed a game over the past few years their record is 1-11.

Amare Stoudemire, instantly, is the best player LeBron James has ever played with. Ever. Never in 7 long years in Cleveland has he been paired with a player as good as Amare. The Cavs don't now, nor have they ever in the LeBron era, had a legit #2 for him.

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7/6/2010  8:37 PM
plus the cavs and nets and heat have actually been trying to win games the past two years. that's right. they tried and were still that bad.
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7/6/2010  9:02 PM
The nets have a bright future...lol...12-70
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7/6/2010  9:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/6/2010  9:06 PM
These writers also neglect to appraise the NYK talent properly, probably because they didn't actually watch any games. Gallo is a stud scorer, a strong defender, and may become a super star in his own right. He certainly has more upside than anyone we have taken via the draft inrecent memory. I believe he will become the next Dirk (but with solid defensive skills, so really better than Dirk). He just needs space to get his shots and Amare+Lebron will more than cover that. Chandler is solid on both sides of the ball and maybe even could be 6th man of the year. TD is an outstanding on-ball defender, he shoots 3s at a solid %, and can score at the rim.

If these morons properly appraised the Knicks' talent, they would be less inclined to write such nonsense.

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7/6/2010  9:19 PM
Realty is a lot of people hate the Knicks and they will bash them even if the win a championship. It is what it is...I refrain from talking Knicks at work cuz people are so ignorant towards the team...

My argument is yes the Knicks do suck but the future is bright. Nobody can say the team sucks cuz the Knicks have only 6 guys under contract Now. The bums are all gone. Future isn't in stone. Knicks are on the rise again

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7/6/2010  9:20 PM
KnicksSince88 wrote:What does this guy think the Cavs would do without LeBron? Hes acting like from a basketball standpoint they have some great situation there. They'd win 35 games if LeBron didn't play there, if that. Heck, Id even doubt that. The last 12 times LeBron has missed a game over the past few years their record is 1-11.

Amare Stoudemire, instantly, is the best player LeBron James has ever played with. Ever. Never in 7 long years in Cleveland has he been paired with a player as good as Amare. The Cavs don't now, nor have they ever in the LeBron era, had a legit #2 for him.

35? I think you mean 11 and that's if they keep Shaq.

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7/6/2010  9:56 PM
anrst wrote:plus the cavs and nets and heat have actually been trying to win games the past two years. that's right. they tried and were still that bad.

what?

if there is one thing it is that even while we've sucked for a decade, we've never tanked...always tried to win

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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7/6/2010  10:10 PM
PresIke wrote:
anrst wrote:plus the cavs and nets and heat have actually been trying to win games the past two years. that's right. they tried and were still that bad.

what?

if there is one thing it is that even while we've sucked for a decade, we've never tanked...always tried to win

on the court we didn't try to lose, in the front office, winning wasn't a priority.

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7/7/2010  12:03 AM
PresIke wrote:
anrst wrote:plus the cavs and nets and heat have actually been trying to win games the past two years. that's right. they tried and were still that bad.

what?

if there is one thing it is that even while we've sucked for a decade, we've never tanked...always tried to win

and if we'd have lost one more game in 2008 and 2009 we'd have westbrook and curry in our backcourt..not too shabby..we cant do nothing right

OK, who the F*** is this writer, and where can I find his home address!!! &^%$£"£$%^&!!!!

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