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jazz74
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7/5/2010  7:10 PM
well lets say that we dont get lebron which is a possibility ( i hope not) then what are our options? realistically wise? here are my choices:

1.) tony parker- obvious since he would be set loose in this system. i also think he is a pg who can do well in ANY system but flourish in d'antoni. one thing that he gives us that has been missing from the 1 position is smart plays. he will be an extension to d'antoni and he would flourish to the point of nash. can we get him? hmmm, that is another thing entirely. tho i dont doubt he wants to come here the question is if we have the assets to get him either. we would need to trade with a third team in mind because it has been reported tha sa doesnt want anyone on our team. so the possibility of this is slim for now.

2.) monta ellis- i heard that this is our plan c which is not bad. i am not down on manta like everyone else but he is a straight gunner. this system is perfect for getting his shots but we will ask for him to distribute a lot more than he did in gs. he can but expect high turnover rate in the beginning. the one thing i like is that he can penetrate at will and will get the calls. he is an exciting player also which the fans will like.

3.) raymond felton- i dont know why people are so down on him. is he really that bad? he has a good assist to turnover ratio and he is a better distributer than people give him credit for. he can shoot the mid range and have three point range. he is quick enough to get into the lane and strong enough to finish plays. his numbers are not outstanding but he will flourish in this system. so what he did not do well in the playoffs. its hsi first experience. i think he would do well here.

those are my choices, not the likes of luke ridnour or any other scrub.

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VDesai
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7/5/2010  7:45 PM
Luke Ridnour isn't that bad. He had a nice year last year and had a few good years in Seattle. He would be a lot better than Duhon in this system and Duhon had his moments.
jazz74
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7/5/2010  7:58 PM
VDesai wrote:Luke Ridnour isn't that bad. He had a nice year last year and had a few good years in Seattle. He would be a lot better than Duhon in this system and Duhon had his moments.

yeah but i wouldnt take him over the three i mentioned. i like felton and i can envision him the point guard of the present/future. however, which i forgot to mention, if we trade lee to minny for jefferson and the rights for rubio, that is a scenerio that would blow away any other.

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7/5/2010  8:24 PM
Why do you need a point guard Lee got 20 a game without one and Amare is a much better player shouldnt he be able to do the same?
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7/5/2010  8:25 PM
As long as we are speculating/dreaming, my choice would be Steve Nash. Trade Curry and Chandler and Rautin for him.
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7/5/2010  8:26 PM
King1 wrote:Why do you need a point guard Lee got 20 a game without one and Amare is a much better player shouldnt he be able to do the same?

king can't we have amare, dlee and felton? they all fit, right?

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7/5/2010  8:34 PM
Trade Lee for Rubio and change
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7/5/2010  8:54 PM
King1 wrote:Why do you need a point guard Lee got 20 a game without one and Amare is a much better player shouldnt he be able to do the same?

because no one wants to be a 30 win team again next year.

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7/5/2010  9:05 PM
Who we get for PG will be determined by whether or not we get Lebron.

Felton does a lot of good things... but at times he cannot shoot to save his life.

Last year his shooting numbers, including those from the 3 went up significantly, though.

Ridnour was a very important part of the Bucks last year, and picked them up when Jennings' shooting percentages started to look like the batting average of a solid, but not great, MLB outfielder. Much more dependable shooter, but older and not as strong as Felton.

Don't have to give up anything but$$ for these guys.

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7/5/2010  9:40 PM
King1 wrote:Why do you need a point guard Lee got 20 a game without one and Amare is a much better player shouldnt he be able to do the same?

Provocative post. In Briggs' Lee vs Amare thread you said that Amare was the better player without arguing for your boy. Your words:

(Amare is a much better player than Lee so lets not talk about that.)
Now you seem to be implying something else.

Lee's game has basically become that of a good rebounding SF. His midrange shot has become almost automatic without someone guarding him, and he is supposedly trying extend his range. He is also a better ball handler than Amare, and MDA was allowing him to be a point forward at times.

Lee did benefit from the guards we did have at point, and had a lot of success with the pick and roll, so just because we did not have a big name PG does not mean he was not the recipient of some good passes as a Knick. Amare is a more traditional PF, IMO, and I think he will need a decent PG, or a player with point abilities, to maximize his game.

If you want to say that Lee is the better player, say it.

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7/5/2010  10:15 PM
if knicks trade lee to minny for rubio id love love love that deal..but dont they have love as a power forward..i guess then minny doesnt love love love, love..stan love..you got to love it
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7/5/2010  10:20 PM
Trading Lee for Rubio will eat into your cap space and you won't be able to afford a max. You have to wait and see before you even start those talks. I absolutely don't want Al Jefferson here- I don't think he fits with Amare at all.
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7/5/2010  10:28 PM
I trust Donnie I don't think he's gonna go get Felton we need to make a statement that the Knicks are really back Amare was the first step but not the only one. If we don't get Lebron expect a big trade not a signing for Felton or Miller because that is not making a statement.
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7/5/2010  11:06 PM
loweyecue wrote:Trade Lee for Rubio and change

Think he would come this season if we get his rights!!

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7/5/2010  11:07 PM
If we're talking about PGs, then what about Nash? Phoenix is clearly rebuilding-

too bad we don't have any draft picks

Or, to be indulgent, Lee to Minny for Rubio, 2 first rounders & Jefferson- yea, not likely, but we've paid more for less cap relief before.

Curry, Chandler and Minny's 2 picks for Nash.

Now, I suspect Nash wouldn't be on the market before the trading deadline- and a lot will depend on their record. If they're not making the play offs, I could see them open for bids at that time.

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7/5/2010  11:12 PM
VDesai wrote:Trading Lee for Rubio will eat into your cap space and you won't be able to afford a max. You have to wait and see before you even start those talks. I absolutely don't want Al Jefferson here- I don't think he fits with Amare at all.

I agree with not wanting Jefferson but he is a valuable asset in a 3 way trade for Cp3 or Melo

Maybe Ellis or Mayo

Having Curry's expiring and cash and picks we have lots of options to make deals...

I could see Melo being traded after all the FA sign... Especially if most have new homes!!

Next year the structure will be Different small markets might be fukced and I think thats
why players are deciding the NBA structure now!!

No small markets are in play!!

I say just knowing we have value for our assets proves alot of people wrong!!

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7/5/2010  11:18 PM
franco12 wrote:If we're talking about PGs, then what about Nash? Phoenix is clearly rebuilding-

too bad we don't have any draft picks

Or, to be indulgent, Lee to Minny for Rubio, 2 first rounders & Jefferson- yea, not likely, but we've paid more for less cap relief before.

Curry, Chandler and Minny's 2 picks for Nash.

Now, I suspect Nash wouldn't be on the market before the trading deadline- and a lot will depend on their record. If they're not making the play offs, I could see them open for bids at that time.

Phx isn't rebuilding. I think they have enough firepower with JRich, Hill, Nash, etc. that they won't miss a beat offensively. Nash will make Warrick and Earl Clark look very good.

jazz74
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7/6/2010  9:56 AM
i was wondering if spurs do not want lee, i wonder if they want al jefferson who is a true center? a three way deal with minny and sa could work with minny getting lee, sa getting al and we getting parker.
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7/6/2010  10:44 AM
Why not Shaun Livingston. He would be cheaper than Felton and Ridnour and better defense less offense.
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