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7/3/2010  3:26 PM
By Larry Coon
Special to ESPN.com

He's the shadow member of the 2010 free-agent class. While LeBron, Dwyane, Chris and Amare are wooed and courted, he watches with vested interest, knowing it'll be his turn next year. He's already the subject of myriad rumors, even before this year's premier free agents have chosen a home.

Carmelo Anthony is entering the final year of his contract -- and that's cause for concern in Denver.

Teams with room for one, two, and possibly even three maximum free agents this summer are viewing Anthony as the cherry on top of their sundaes. The idea is this: Start building the nucleus this year, reload with more cap room over the course of the season, and make a run at Anthony next July. Or even better, grab him now if the Nuggets decide to cut their losses and seek to move him this summer rather than risk losing him for nothing in 2011.

Speculation has hit a fever pitch in many NBA locales, and particularly in New York City. A common line of reasoning has the Knicks luring two prime free agents to New York this summer, and -- out of necessity -- filling out their lineup with cheap contracts. And then, the thinking goes, they can nab Melo when Eddy Curry's oversized contract expires next summer.

But is any of this realistic?

Let's presume the Knicks succeed in their quest this summer to land two premier free agents, starting at $16.6 million each. In that case, they will have a little under $2 million in remaining cap room to add one more player. Once that money is spent they will have eight players in the fold and will, by league rule, have to give minimum-salary contracts to at least five additional players. If the goal is to gain cap space in 2011, then everybody except the two stars will get a one-year contract (or two years with a team option after one).

From there, the Knicks have to make decisions on Danilo Gallinari ($4.19 million) and Toney Douglas ($1.15 million), whose team options for 2011 need to be picked up by this October 31.

Then next summer, Curry's $11.3 million salary vanishes from the payroll, along with all the one-year contracts. At that point the Knicks will face decisions on Bill Walker, whose $916,000 salary for 2011-12 is not guaranteed, and Wilson Chandler, who will become a restricted free agent -- the Knicks need to figure out whether to retain his rights. And they will have a first-round draft pick on the books -- the lesser of their own pick and Houston's pick as a result of the Jared Jeffries trade.

Let's suppose the Knicks keep Gallinari but sacrifice everyone else -- including the draft pick -- for the sake of 2011 cap room. If so, their roster will consist of just Gallinari and the two max players signed in 2010. After accounting for raises and incomplete roster holds, their team salary will add up to $44.39 million. So would that leave enough cap space for Carmelo?

Unfortunately, the answer appears to be no. If the cap stays unchanged from this summer's projected $56.1 million, only $11.7 million would be left over for the free-agent chase. That's not enough to lure a player like Anthony.

If the cap were to drop in 2011 -- for the third year in a row -- there would be even less money to spend. Even though the financial outlook is now more optimistic than the gloom-and-doom picture painted by the league office last year, the NBA might still face declining revenues (after citing a $400 million loss in 2009-10, though that number is disputed by the players' association). While revenues could jump in 2010-11 and reward teams with a higher cap next summer, it appears unlikely any such increase would be significant.

And all of that is before we get to the biggest wild card in the 2011 free-agent market -- the fact that the rules of the game could change drastically. The league's collective bargaining agreement will expire on July 1, 2011, and nobody can be signed until a new agreement is in place. No one knows when the next agreement will be ratified, and when it is, it could include elements of a hard cap, fewer salary-cap exceptions, additional constraints on maximum salaries and a different split in revenues resulting in a much lower salary cap. We don't know what the new landscape for future free agents will look like until the parties get down to serious business and reach a new agreement.

So what will happen with Anthony? It's no secret that the Nuggets want to keep Carmelo in the fold for the rest of his career. They reportedly have a maximum three-year, $65 million extension on the table, and at times have proven their willingness to make moves and spend money to improve the team's supporting cast. But they have seen the Cleveland Cavaliers do the same for LeBron James, only to face the prospect of being jilted by their franchise player this summer. Would the Nuggets cut their losses and trade Anthony in order to avoid a similar ugly situation in Denver? Perhaps.

That's why in the midst of the 2010 free-agent frenzy, the rumor mill also has been swirling with talk of a new destination for the Nuggets' franchise player. And the talk will continue as long as Anthony's extension remains unsigned. A move wouldn't necessarily take place this summer -- the two sides could continue to weigh their options before finally deciding whether to fish or cut bait at next February's trade deadline.

But even in this scenario the Knicks don't appear equipped to make a run at him. Their most likely trade asset is, ironically, Eddy Curry's expiring contract. But expiring contracts are typically traded for players with several years remaining on their deals, when teams trade a long contract for a short one in order to get salary relief sooner. An expiring contract might fetch a player like Gilbert Arenas or Baron Davis, but it won't fetch a player whose deal is also ending, like Carmelo Anthony.

So while the Knicks are still in the game for some of the biggest names in the NBA, it appears that Carmelo Anthony is not one of them.

Larry Coon is the author of the NBA Salary Cap FAQ. Follow Larry on Twitter.

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7/3/2010  3:29 PM
this is what I said in other posts. The best thing to do is trade EC for parker, and extend parker's current deal for 10 mil per year, preserve the current cap space to have for melo (using trade exception trade gallo/chandler and picks for melo). the knicks should have been buying up second rounders this year for whatever they cost. Why did they not do that? the knicks need a stable of young fresh cheap players - the knicks should have come out of the second round with 5 or 6 players (at least 2 to keep international to be brought over in a year or two)
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7/3/2010  3:31 PM
We could very well still be in play for Melo if we don't sign the 2nd max, and don't offer stupidly big deals to Mike Miller and Ray Felton equaling the equivalent of one max. Theres no rule stating the Knicks have to spend every cent of their cap room
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7/3/2010  3:45 PM
Not 100% accurate but I think we can only spend about $10M this summer after we sign Amare Stoudemire to have just enough room for Carmelo Anthony in 2011.
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7/3/2010  3:46 PM
KnicksSince88 wrote:We could very well still be in play for Melo if we don't sign the 2nd max, and don't offer stupidly big deals to Mike Miller and Ray Felton equaling the equivalent of one max. Theres no rule stating the Knicks have to spend every cent of their cap room

Mike Miller for $6M and Raymond Felton for $4M should be enough.

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7/3/2010  3:51 PM
This is only true if we sign two max players this year. If we sign two max, I assume we got LeBron or Wade + Amare or Bosh. Otherwise, there's no reason we should've signed two max. For the rest of it, we should use our money wisely and leave a few extra million available for 2011. I think if we strike out on our primary goal, though, we should try to get Carmelo this year.
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7/3/2010  4:16 PM
The problem is - the cap rules change next year before carmelo can sign. What will the max be then? the salary cap be then?

I'd go all in on lebrons. Why sign miller? felton is not coming for 4 mil.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_source_knicks_targeting_guard_mike_miller.html?r=sports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks+%28Sports%2FBasketball%2FKnicks%29


Team source says New York Knicks targeting Mike Miller as alternative to Joe Johnson

BY Frank Isola
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Saturday, July 3rd 2010, 1:57 PM
Veteran guard Mike Miller starts 50 games last season for the Washington Wizards, averaging 10.9 points and dishing out almost four assists per game.
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Veteran guard Mike Miller starts 50 games last season for the Washington Wizards, averaging 10.9 points and dishing out almost four assists per game.
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As Joe Johnson moves closer to re-signing with the Atlanta Hawks, the Knicks are turning their attention to Washington guard Mike Miller, who has also drawn interest from Miami and Chicago.

According to a Knicks source, the club is confident that they can sign Miller and believe he is a suitable alternative for Johnson. Miller and Knicks head coach Mike D'Antoni hit it off in Los Angeles three days ago and Miller is said to want to play in New York and D'Antoni's system.

In fact, the Knicks are hopeful to have verbal agreements from both Miller and Amar'e Stoudemire sometime over the next three days. Stoudemire is mulling a five-year, $96 million contract from the Knicks. He was expected to arrive in town Saturday and will meet with Knicks official on Sunday.

Miller can expect an offer of a little over the five-year, $30 million offer he received from the Lakers.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/03/2010-07-03_source_knicks_targeting_guard_mike_miller.html?r=sports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbasketball%2Fknicks+%28Sports%2FBasketball%2FKnicks%29#ixzz0seVcQu8b

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7/3/2010  7:23 PM
We might end up with:

AlJefferson
Stoudamire
Gallinari
Miller
Sessions

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/4/2010  3:34 AM
KnicksSince88 wrote:We could very well still be in play for Melo if we don't sign the 2nd max, and don't offer stupidly big deals to Mike Miller and Ray Felton equaling the equivalent of one max. Theres no rule stating the Knicks have to spend every cent of their cap room

i'd just sign amare and keep the space for next year for tp and melo to split
knicks not in play for melo for 2011

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