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TheSage
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1/15/2004  8:00 AM
They are lost-decent entertainment media. Good inside contacts. Knowledge of sports other than Football and Baseball-Negligable. They both have decent knowledge of specific sports facts but even with football and baseball they are clouded by their personal "fandom". Mike arrogance when it comes to his beloved Yankees is appalling and will he stop repeating himself so many times during the same show (he loves to hear himself pontificate"

Yesterday, they were analyzing the knick's schedule to conclude that the knicks would have a tough time making the playoffs. Analyzing a half season?????? Calling the results of games a month from now?????

This, from two guys who both had losing records in their prognostications (maybe .500)

What do you people think?
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1/15/2004  8:04 AM
Ignore them when they start talking basketball. They are casual Basketball fans who do not have that much in-depth knowledge about the rosters and the players. Also, Cris Russo liked Layden and hates Isiah Thomas so anything Isiah does is a big mistake. Just ignore them.
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1/15/2004  8:17 AM
yep, couldn't have said it any better.
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1/15/2004  8:29 AM
Exactly. It's more worth it to stay up late and listen to Joe Benigno anyway. He's a real Knicks fan who laves to talk basketball.
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1/15/2004  2:03 PM
In their Defense, they both like Wilkens better than Fratello. They hated the way the deal was handled, and I agree but Chaney is walking away with millions.

Wilkens will be on the show sometime today.


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1/15/2004  2:16 PM

Those of us whom think thomas botched Chaneys firing desire that the team be mangaged with great professionalism and recieve respect from other coaches, and General Managers.

If other GMs think Thomas is a clown, then he will not be taken sersiously. Laydog had got into this situation.

We want the Knicks to ge respected by prospective Players, other coaches, Owners, media executives, league officials, and by its fans.

IT only helps the organization now, and in the future. Thomas needs to execute better.

Chaney getting paid the remainder of his contract is standard for the industry. Its no excuse to miss-manage. The team had a contract with Chaney, and he handled himself with dignity and honor in the face of great pressure. His record speaks for itself, and he was dismissed as he deserved. Views critical to Thomas have merit to some degree. He should take notice and learn. The best in what they do always learn from mistakes. I will root for him to do better next time.

If Thomas cannot facilitate certain operational procedures, it will inhibit his options going forward.

Thats not hating, but constructive.
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1/15/2004  5:06 PM
listen to 1050 ESPN radio... especially later in the day. Lots of hoops plus they talk Knicks. Mike and the Dog are usually irritated they have to talk hoops at all and cant focus on Barry Bonds and how close Mike is with Bill Parcells.
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1/15/2004  5:34 PM
Posted by fishmike:

listen to 1050 ESPN radio... especially later in the day. Lots of hoops plus they talk Knicks. Mike and the Dog are usually irritated they have to talk hoops at all and cant focus on Barry Bonds and how close Mike is with Bill Parcells.

True... so true.

1050 is really Pro-Knicks. They are much better than Mike & the Mad DOg.
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1/15/2004  5:44 PM
I have been listening to "THE FAN 590" in Toronto for the real inside stuff. The locals in NY don't know anything about the 2004 Lenny Wilkens, all they remember is his past, the 70's seattle team he coached and when guys wore daisy duke shorts. Toronto fans , announcers and players (who he coached) have the real inside stuff on Lenny. People in Toronto are calling this hire a DAMN JOKE. If Lenny could coach defense, they would have never hired the assistant from The Detroit Pistons.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/15/2004  5:58 PM
Turn to 1050 ESPNRadio. Get some KNOWLEDGE.

Listening to basketball critiques from a station in a boondock, HOCKEY town. Okay.

No wonder you are hating on Lenny. That backwards media only promotes backward thinking.

Next thing we know, you'll be rooting for the Raptors.
No one is stopping you... Be my guest.

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1/15/2004  6:21 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Turn to 1050 ESPNRadio. Get some KNOWLEDGE.

Listening to basketball critiques from a station in a boondock, HOCKEY town. Okay.

No wonder you are hating on Lenny. That backwards media only promotes backward thinking.

Next thing we know, you'll be rooting for the Raptors.
No one is stopping you... Be my guest.

Boondock 5 million people live in Toronto
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1/15/2004  6:35 PM
Give it a rest Playa, why do you beleave the Toronto media word for word and not have your own opinion for once in your life. What do Canadians know about basketball, serously.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/15/2004  6:39 PM
Posted by CanadianKnicksFan:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Turn to 1050 ESPNRadio. Get some KNOWLEDGE.

Listening to basketball critiques from a station in a boondock, HOCKEY town. Okay.

No wonder you are hating on Lenny. That backwards media only promotes backward thinking.

Next thing we know, you'll be rooting for the Raptors.
No one is stopping you... Be my guest.

Boondock 5 million people live in Toronto

About 10 Million live in NYC.
Where's the Boondock? Yeah... I know.


Read what this says about NYC B-Ball KNOWLEDGE:

Izenberg: No doubt about it: Isiah picks a winner



Thursday, January 15, 2004


BY JERRY IZENBERG
Star-Ledger Staff

The kid from Brooklyn finally comes home. Lenny Wilkens, who learned the game in the Police Athletic League and the CYO gyms, who learned the joy of the dribble from a parish priest who had him dribbling around chairs and learned the city-tough side of it on the blacktop playgrounds returns to the city as its coach of all coaches.

That means the Garden and the NBA. It means the basketball schizophrenia of the country's toughest fans. It means their vocal demands and their loyalty and no guarantees which hits the hardest.


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It means in a city where basketball courts outnumber the playing fields of football and baseball, and the sports IQ is its most knowledgeable in that milieu, Lenny Wilkens is supposed to put together the pieces of a shattered team that has become a municipal embarrassment to New York's sports psyche.

They couldn't have made a better choice ... not because he has won more NBA games as a coach than anyone else ... not because he and John Wooden are the only two men ever voted into the Basketball Hall of Fame as both a player and a coach ... not even because he once helped coach the Dream Team, a group that earned more money than the gross national product of any banana republic and whose locker room housed more runaway egos than the auditorium on Oscar night.

Isiah picked the right man.

Yes, he has the basketball skills and the talent recognition that make for great coaches. And, yes, again, he knows this city where as a kid with just a half season of basketball at Boys High, he earned a scholarship to Providence University and lit up the New England sky with his style, his shooter's eye, his I-see-the-court-and-I-know-where-the-open-man-is instincts.

His success as an NBA coach has been spectacular in won-lost records and the ability to make chicken salad out of chicken gizzards.

But with all his qualifications, the biggest thing he brings to this job is character. Despite the prevailing fawning over the wunderkinds and superstars, etc., Lenny Wilkens lives and coaches by a single credo:

"Nothing comes for nothing."

I remember a week during the Games of Atlanta in 1996 when Lenny was the coach and the Dream Team decided all it had to do was walk on the floor and Brazil would surrender. The Dream Team won, of course, but this is the way I remember it.

They played that game on a Tuesday, and on that day Lenny Wilkens was furious because of his team's casual approach. The coach didn't scream, didn't stomp his feet and didn't throw a chair. He just sat there, arms folded, eyes like two lasers. But deep within him a full-fledged Vesuvius was boiling.

The next day, nobody had any doubts that this team was going to have to play for its coach or be forever embarrassed -- a circumstance he would not permit to happen.

He juggled the squad and matched Karl Malone with Charles Barkley. They understood what he wanted and what he was after. They elbowed, they shoved, they shouted.

Then Gary Payton began to talk trash, and soon everyone else was.

"We had one hellacious practice," Wilkens told me the next day. "Bodies flying from everywhere ... slamming into each other ... the assistant coaches running over to me to tell me to stop it before somebody got hurt, but I turned my back because I didn't want them to see me laughing.

"Someday the Dream Team will lose a game and then all that won't come down on the players. It will come down on the coach. I am making sure this week that I will not be that coach."

The new man will not engage in public outbursts, although he will tell the truth. The new man will use his solid basketball background and instincts. Eventually, he will get the most of them. And what you won't see, but he will look for, is character.

Along those lines, consider a single event that was a reflection of the way his single-parent mother raised him. She taught him to take what comes and make it better rather than whine about it.

In 1960, he was an All-American at Providence. He was the NIT MVP at a time when it really meant something. He was the MVP in the East-West College All-Star Game. But when the Olympic roster was announced, he was not on it.

At the time, I worked for the now defunct Herald Tribune across the river, and my assistant sports editor was a man named Irving Marsh. Together we opened up a telephone assault on the selection folks. We got nowhere. One of them said that at that moment, the roster was racially split -- six whites, five blacks and he said, "It ain't going to six and six."

And with the naming of the 12th man it wound up seven and five.

Wilkens' disappointment was surely huge. He had earned that spot. But he didn't know that story until we spoke decades later, that week during the Olympics of Atlanta.

Back in 1960, he was rebuffed in the cruelest way. He did not dwell on it. He never looked back. He went out and became a hell of a pro player and a hell of a coach and Hall of Famer.

And 36 years later, he was the one chosen to lead America's most prestigious basketball team in the world's most prestigious games.

Isiah got the right man.

Jerry Izenberg appears regularly in The Star-Ledger.


Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/15/2004  6:42 PM
Despite his overcompensatory arrogance, at least Mike has a brain and some insights; Dog has shattered the Peter Principle.
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1/15/2004  6:47 PM
Posted by simrud:

Give it a rest Playa, why do you beleave the Toronto media word for word and not have your own opinion for once in your life. What do Canadians know about basketball, serously.

Simrud, Wilkens has a past history that you don't know about in Toronto. All i'm doing is passing on info. The fans in T.O are loyal fans and actually have some good people doing their play by play .
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/15/2004  6:50 PM
Posted by simrud:

Give it a rest Playa, why do you beleave the Toronto media word for word and not have your own opinion for once in your life. What do Canadians know about basketball, serously.

LOL what do yanks no about hockey

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1/15/2004  8:46 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by simrud:

Give it a rest Playa, why do you beleave the Toronto media word for word and not have your own opinion for once in your life. What do Canadians know about basketball, serously.

Simrud, Wilkens has a past history that you don't know about in Toronto. All i'm doing is passing on info. The fans in T.O are loyal fans and actually have some good people doing their play by play .
IN Toronto he won his 1st season and beat the Knicks. The second he made the playoffs despite Vince playing only 60 games and missing the end of the season. In the 3rd year, he sucked as did the team. They all bitched and moaned and they blamed Wilkens. The problem? They have done little since he left too and Vince is healthy now!
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