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Details of the Knicks Financial Presentation to Lebron
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nixluva
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7/2/2010  2:28 AM
You can read the Forbes article here:

They actually have the presentation which appears at the bottom of the article as a picture of Lebron, which is actually the 1st slide:

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/07/lebron-james-what-the-knicks-told-lebron-new-york-and-make-billion-dollars/?boxes=Homepagelighttop?partner=msnbc

This is an article critiquing the Interbrand presentation:

Forbes Magazine hits us with a pretty stunning scoop : the PowerPoint presentation the Knicks gave LeBron James Thursday morning, provided by a New York marketing firm, Interbrand.

The cliff notes? LeBron can make a billion dollars in New York, for sure. He might be able to in Chicago. He can't in Cleveland or Miami. So naturally, he should come to New York! He has the highest potential earnings through the entirety of the contract by nearly $300 million more than the runner-up, Cleveland. The core of the message is this: It's not just about a bigger market. It's about New York's market specifically, and that's where the money is .

Okay, that's the short story. Here's the full monty. We're going to walk you through the slides step by step to point out some relevant factors. I'd definitely take a long read through that Forbes article and the accompanying PowerPoint:

Slide 1: Don't know if that picture of LeBron is the best you could have used. He doesn't look majestic; he looks like he's scared of some monster chasing him from behind. But a smart move pulling a picture of him from Team USA. No brand attachment to Cleveland and it prompts the memories of how Kobe Bryant was a bigger deal in China in 2008 because of the championships.

Slide 2: Some backside kissing of James and the work he's put in, and then the exposition of the study's intent. This is our first big revelation of the study. Interbrand examined four teams for the study, based on estimated market impact: the Knicks, the Bulls, the Heat, and the Cavs. Notice who's missing there? The Nets. There is no mention of the Nets throughout the entire presentation, despite the very frontal attack the Nets have laid on the Knicks as the key to the New York market. With all of the extraneous business opportunities the Nets are offering James through their move to Brooklyn in 2012, this could be a huge mistake. James and company had just gotten through listening to the Nets pitch when the Knicks came in and completely ignored the team that had been in the building twenty seconds before, and whose minority owner is a close friend and mentor to LeBron. Comparing New York to the other markets is a great idea. Ignoring an attempt to differentiate between the Knicks and Nets was a mistake that easily could have been rectified.

Slide 3: Provides a background to Interbrand and what they were attempting to focus on with this study. "Lifetime earnings" is a key factor. This entire study is built upon the concept that James' next stop is his last.

Slide 4: Methodology of what Interbrand looked at and how they modeled it. It's a conceptually strong slide, even if it doesn't actually provide examples of how it quantifies factors (like the post-retirement economic models of players like Wilt Chamberlain and Reggie Miller, especially when outside of Michael Jordan, those players considered really can't be compared to LeBron's theoretical revenue stream). Then again, I sincerely doubt James is going to be looking for them to provide their formulas and double checking with his own advanced statistics team.

Slide 5: A nifty graphic that illustrates the data movement that helps Interbrand quantify brand strength. Interesting stuff. If you're a marketing executive in New York with an emphasis on sports. Literally dozens of people are captivated.

Slide 6: A look at revenue streams analyzed for the presentation. Interestingly, it starts with International "partnerships' which are differentiated from sponsorships. Only local endorsements are considered. Which is particularly odd since it doesn't at all go after the "in the Internet age, anyone can build an empire from anywhere" argument. The entire presentation is built on busting that concept, and the study deftly avoids it. It's hard to say if that's a strength or weakness of the presentation.

Slide 7: Interbrand's assumptions for the study: A. James will play till he's 38 (unlikely, and given the exponential year over year balance is a significant factor, kind of an important one, B. James is finishing his career with the next team he signs with (yes, because the one thing in the NBA is that things always work out as both teams think they will when they sign) and C. the model is built on the current CBA model. This makes sense given the impossibility of predicting the next CBA and that NBA salary represents such a small amount of impact on the results of the study.

Slide 8: Four factors considered in the analysis. The key take away here are on the final two points. Championships are most important, but winning a championship matters more in certain markets than others. And secondly, and this is an odd one, the longer a franchise goes without a championship, the greater the impact on the player that gets them there. This fails to consider the historic impact of previous championships. It also seems like a pretty custom tailored argument for New York (more so than the rest of the presentation). "Sure, we haven't been relevant in thirty years, but that's a good thing!"

Slide 9: A numbers breakdown. Clearly, New York outperforms the others. An interesting note, among interesting notes, is how high Cleveland ranks on these measures, despite market size, which is a key element of the rest of the study. Also, the franchise impact of the Knicks is over four times as great as Chicago . This despite Chicago having had the greatest player of all time inside of 15 years, having a massively popular merchandising brand, and operating in a major market. That the Knicks are more powerful is no shock. That they are that much more powerful is kind of stunning for a team best known in recent history for Jeff Van Gundy holding a guy's leg and John Starks getting worked by Reggie Miller.

Slide 10-13: Team by team breakdowns of the four factors and relevant takeaways. Cleveland is relevant based on the "hometown hero" concept. The study clearly is aimed not at trashing Cleveland (and offending LeBron), but taking out the rest of the competitors and looking better than Cleveland overall. Chicago and Miami bear the brunt, as Chicago is considered too volatile thanks to Jordan's shadow, and Miami is basically tossed aside as irrelevant.

Slide 14: Conclusion: "Knicks rule!" Basically, if James wins a championship and he's in New York, that's the optimum situation for him to make the most money and expand his brand the most. It's not a particularly stirring conclusion considering the Knicks both requisitioned and presented the study, but it doesn't exactly come off as the most in-depth, objective analysis. Then again, when Mike D'Antoni's also telling you he can help you average a triple double, it probably sounds pretty good.

Slide 15: No, thank you , Interbrand.

All in all, the Knicks did a good job of finding data that attacked its competitors while not coming off as tyrannical or arrogant. It simplifies the argument while providing evidence to support the common sense argument. "New York is better." The Knicks needed to prove to James that concept was sound while pitching him on the basketball side with D'Antoni. It's a fascinating insight into how this free-agency period is being played by the teams who are brokering with this monstrous class of players.

-Matt Moore

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7/2/2010  2:40 AM
"And secondly, and this is an odd one, the longer a franchise goes without a championship, the greater the impact on the player that gets them there" kinda odd the critique writer doesnt follow that... when fans havent seen anything good in a long time they wont be extra up for a winner? ask bos in 2008 about that and they have more titles then anyone, just none in 20+ years to that point. crosses sports. 1940-1994 == messier.

still, very nice.

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7/2/2010  2:58 AM
It's impossible to know just how much of that registered or if Lebron and crew even believe it. It made sense to point it out tho. This isn't just another city. It's the financial capitol of the world and home to 20 million people. You can't Minimize that. Why try to ignore that advantage and it IS and advantage. Sure the internet changes some things, but the sheer vastness of the New York market is an overwhelming force. It simply adds to the earning potential. Yes he can and does make money now, but that will all INCREASE exponentially here in NY.
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7/2/2010  3:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2010  3:40 AM
Yeah the longer a franchise goes without winning certainly heightens the desire/need/want of accomplishing a chip and when accomplished becomes greatly magnified...But I wonder if the point had in mind the City of Cleveland hasn't had a title from any of their major sport entities since 1964 and Lebron could be the first to bring the Cavaliers a chip and end this long drought of championships in Cleveland. Meanwhile the Giants/Yankees/Rangers have all won chips in the past 20yrs and more than 3 between the 3 sports and the Knicks last chip was in 1973 still well ahead of 1964 for any chip in Cleveland from any sport. So IMO if I'm Lebron the Knicks would have taken a major hit here. They shouldn't have highlighted this.

Other than that the presentation seemed fairly decent(it had some strong and weak points) but I wonder how much time they took to present it compared to them talking basketball?

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7/2/2010  3:31 AM
Juice wrote:Yeah the longer a franchise goes without winning certainly heightens the desire/need/want of accomplishing a chip...But I wonder if the point had in mind the City of Cleveland hasn't had a title from any of their major sport entities since 1964 and Lebron could be the first to bring the Cavaliers a chip and end this long drought of championships in Cleveland. Meanwhile the Giants/Yankees/Rangers have all won chips in the past 20yrs and more than 3 between the 3 sports and the Knicks last chip was in 1973 still well ahead of 1964 for any chip in Cleveland from any sport. So IMO if I'm Lebron the Knicks would have taken a major hit here. They shouldn't have highlighted this.

Other than that the presentation seemed fairly decent(it had some strong and weak points) but I wonder how much time they took to present it compared to them talking basketball?

the way the fellow states it, he seems to imply he just doesnt understand why a title drought matters at all. it sure could apply to cle as well. however i think the rest of the presentation accounts for that in the "potential earnings". his winning in ny will mean more $$$ overall, so its win+reach your "other goal". cant say if the model they used is that good, however i sure hope they closed loopholes while presenting it.

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7/2/2010  11:46 AM
Yes the report gave Cleveland points for it's long title drought. The report was clearly dumbed down for the laymen. It just enough info to get the point across. People say it doesn't matter where he plays but in truth many players are hurt by playing in a small market. They point out he made 43 mil off the court this yr as a Cav. That is a lot but would be eclipsed if he was a Knick.
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