The knicks if they make the playoffs can be a dangerous team, they have 3 bonafide scorers, a good bench with penny, Frank, Anderson, etc. And a superstar in Marbury, I like what zeke is doing and he is doing it with a young superstar who is not even in his prime yet, This is the youngest, healthiest and most talented the knicks have been in the last 4 years....

things should be looking up..

I agree, we are a great team now, but we are still a jump shooting team, if Alan and Marbury are both cold than we will lose. All we need is a bigman that can post up and we are championship contenders. I actually like our our new coach also. Isiah is making great moves and will lead us to a ring during the marbury era (next 6-10 years) NYK!!!!

I'm not sure about Lenny Wilkens yet but I will wait and see. I'm really happy that Chaney is gone. The truth is that without a lowpost guy we are in trouble. We will make the playoffs but cannot go much further than that. I dont want to bitch about not having a low post guy because the first steps in cleaning house have been taken.

First get rid of the ppl that made the mess then get rid of the mess and then start building clean. Since the makers of the mess are gone they can start cleaning house as their last step. Low post guy can wait till Feb 18th. Right now i'm going to enjoy having a real coach.

First off, I don't really know how anyone on this board can call someone else a hater. The reason why anyone comes to a board like this is that they are a serious Knicks fan. People who come here are begging for serious discussion of a team that they can't get enough of. I don't believe anyone here is going to back down. We should all feel free to criticize or applaud any moves made by this team.

To the post, I have to admit I'm skeptical of Lenny. Winningest coach yes, but to me he is not the best fit here. We needed defensive intensity badly, and I don't know if Lenny will bring that (wait and see). This is going to be a tough job, and we needed someone with a big personality who would demand accountability now. But let's see. Lenny hasn't been in the leauge so long for nothing.

I agree Marbury is for real and he's been a better pure PG than I originally thought. He has done a very nice job of getting teammates involved and taking shots in the flow of the offense, and driving to the basket and forcing the action when he has to. We can certainly win a lot of games with him.

I also think that KVH has been a revelation for us. This last month and a half he is scoring consistently and easily. Our rebounding is also the best its been in years due in part to him. He meshed really well with Marbury last night and I hope he continues to do so. I think both were frustrated young players early in their career, and now both are older and have more talent around them. With Houston, I think he just has to get healthy. He's been on fire some games this year, but flat in others. We have enough depth to not play him 40 mins every night. We need to let him get fully healthy/

Penny is nice. He can still score and he's a smart player. I wouldn't want to thrust him into a starting role (and we don't have to). But he is an asset off the bench.

As for defensive stoppers we need a bit more than Kurt and Deke, especially since Deke isn't a great match up with half the teams. A Ratliff type would be nice. Also, Frank needs to get off the bench more. He can stop other PG's and he's got great hands on D.

I wouldn't be excited about two 2nd rounders so much. Ideally we get a first at some point. But if we keep the 2nds, Herve Lamizana is a tall, atheletic forward from Rutgers who can block shots, dunk and hit an occasional 3. IMO a good fit here.

Anyway, its wait and see. I need to know how Lenny's rotations will shake out, whether we can see a difference in defensive instensity, and whether he can continue to get them to play as a team. I am hopeful since Chaney is gone.

A hater is somebody like Canada and Caseloads who don't even give anything a chance. They bashed Thomas the minute he was hired, they bashed Penny w/out seein him for one game, they bash Wilkins before he even has a conference. That's what haters are, period. It would be nice if this post was not delated btw. Oh and they bashed Marbury for no reason at all, too.

I did not hate on them, I admitted that I was wrong thinkin that Marbury was the savior, he is really goot but can't save this team by himself, a coach and maybe a lowpost guy are needed. Now we got a coach.

Exactly how I feel V, I just hope Canada and Case stop pissin on the parade lol.

the haters don't bother me anymore fellas. i just ignore them and all is well. case, canada, i'll just keep passin' you by like the pharcyde. all REAL knick fans, NY LOVE! no matter where you reside, if your a real knick fan you get NY LOVE! it's a new game.

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Posted by VDesai:

First off, I don't really know how anyone on this board can call someone else a hater. The reason why anyone comes to a board like this is that they are a serious Knicks fan. People who come here are begging for serious discussion of a team that they can't get enough of. I don't believe anyone here is going to back down. We should all feel free to criticize or applaud any moves made by this team.

There are people on this group that prefer arguing rather than talking about the knicks. Hater might not be an accurate term but just follow the intentions of certain fans who post here often and you will know what simrud means.

Everyone is free to criticize and applaud, no one said otherwise but those people do not come here begging for serious discussion!

Canada is annoyed because he hates Zeke and Lenny from Toronto. I would probably feel the same way if I lived in Toronto.

I personally don't mind "haters", sometimes some people just have different opinions that might seem negative to most. What I cannot stand are people who post negative comments about the PRESENT situation based on a (very distant) PAST.

For example, some posters here keep talking about how Penny was this and Penny was that in 1995, that he was a top 3 player etc. That's fine, but it has no bearing on the present. He will NEVER be the player that he used to be, and it's downright frustrating to be dwelling on the "what ifs" and "what could have been". It's silly.

That being said, Penny's been playing extremely well lately, and in my mind he can still be a nice 15pts-5rbs-5ast SG/SF (which I think is near his average as a rookie) whether off the bench or as a starter. Please give the guy 30min consistently, Lenny!

Another example, some posters keep on saying Starks would've done this or LJ was this or that... dude! This might seem like blasphemy... but if there are guys that are truly "DONE" and will never play basketball again, it's these guys! Please stop putting down the players and wishing Patrick Ewing, LJ or Starks was still here! It's not gonna happen :-)

GO NEW YORK KNICKS 2004!!!