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Redcru
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6/29/2010  11:15 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/06/29/knicks.pitch.lebron/index.html?eref=twitter_feed


Interesting read...

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6/29/2010  11:17 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/06/29/knicks.pitch.lebron/index.html?eref=twitter_feed

When the Knicks meet with LeBron James on Thursday, they'll be offering the free agent a vision as bold as New York itself: Create your own dynasty.

A league source with complete understanding of New York's plans told SI.com that the Knicks will recruit the Cavaliers' two-time MVP with a grandiose vision of surrounding him with Hawks shooting guard Joe Johnson as well as an elite power forward -- Chris Bosh of the Raptors or Amar'e Stoudemire of the Suns -- to form a starring trio capable of contending for championships for years to come.

A similar plan has been discussed this week involving a proposed move by James and Bosh to Miami to join with Heat guard Dwyane Wade.

The Knicks have decided to target Johnson instead of Wade because of concerns that Wade and James are too similar in style and could clash over control of the team, according to the source. Though 6-foot-7 Johnson is a four-time All-Star who has led Atlanta to 100 wins over the last two seasons, he is viewed as a complementary player who is capable of joining with James and other stars in a constructive way.

Johnson's importance to this three-headed plan is underlined by the Knicks' decision to visit him first on Thursday in Los Angeles before circling back to Akron, Ohio, for their scheduled meeting with James.

The proposal of bringing three stars to New York marks a breakthrough in strategy for the Knicks, who have been seen as outsiders in the race for James. With an estimated $34.5 million in cap space, it has been assumed they would offer max contracts to James and another player -- with the veiled understanding that two stars probably wouldn't be enough to drive the Knicks past contenders like the Celtics and Magic, who have knocked James' Cavs out of the playoffs over the last two years, or the Lakers, who have won the last two championships.

By dividing its cap space equally among three elite recruits -- another idea floated on behalf of Miami -- the Knicks would pay starting base salaries of $11.5 million each to James, Johnson and the power forward. That amounts to a salary cut of $5.3 million per year compared to the max salary each player could receive from another market.

Including bonuses, each can player can earn an average salary of $15.7 million over a five-year contract, the source said.

The Knicks will enhance the offer by pointing out the numerous off-court opportunities available to star athletes in the world's largest media market, enabling the players to ultimately make more money in New York than each could on a max contract in other NBA cities.

The source emphasized that the financial offer will be dwarfed by its prestige: If James and his two fellow stars bring success of the highest order to New York, which hasn't won an NBA championship since 1973, they will become the league's most lauded players since Michael Jordan left Chicago.

Los Angeles, Chicago and Boston have realized enormous success as large markets, James will be told, but nothing will compare to the opportunities that could be waiting for James and his teammates if they were to win championships in New York.

While Miami can put together a similar offer, the Knicks believe the three stars will be more comfortable in the larger setting of New York, where the Yankees have congregated large numbers of stars for decades.

The three new Knicks would be joined by an existing second unit of young shooting forwards, Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, and second-year point guard Toney Douglas, leaving New York to round out the rotation by signing three or four contributing role players to veteran-minimum contracts for next season.

The Knicks' key recruiter Thursday will be coach Mike D'Antoni, who has been an assistant coach to James on the USA Basketball teams that have played in the Olympics and World Championships in recent years. Presentations will also be made by Knicks owner James Dolan and president Donnie Walsh.

Altogether, they plan to raise two additional points during their presentation: Next summer they will promise to use the cap space created by Eddy Curry's $11.3 million expiring salary to make a run at a fourth free agent, whether it's Carmelo Anthony or another star. This enhanced flexibility is something James won't find in another market, he will be told.

In addition, the Knicks can warn James that if he doesn't want to join them, then he should consider how he'll feel competing against Johnson, Bosh or Stoudemire and one or two more stars by 2011-12. As they'll tell James Thursday, they have no choice but to build a championship team -- with or without him. They will encourage him to decide quickly, in order to help them recruit a big winner.

Will this be enough to bring James to the Knicks? By appealing to his sense of destiny and the promise of commanding the world's largest stage as NBA champion, they believe they've come up with a dynastic plan as audacious as the city they hope he'll adopt when contracts can be signed July 8.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/06/29/knicks.pitch.lebron/index.html?eref=twitter_feed#ixzz0sIpWyPHX

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6/29/2010  11:18 PM
Thanks!
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6/29/2010  11:28 PM
Interesting plan but quite the Hail Mary...from the opposite 1 yard line. Asking elite players to take that substantial a paycut is a tough sell.

It's a shame that Walsh didn't do a better job with their draft picks the last 2 years, to give them a comparable base to sell to these free agents. But if they can pull this off, kudos to him, D'Antoni and Dolan.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/29/2010  11:28 PM
so these guys are gonna take 5.3 less?? be nice if true, however i doubt that woul be the case. seems like they are including the unlikely playoff bonus for each player... wasnt that already shown to not work under the cba?
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6/29/2010  11:29 PM
islesfan wrote:Interesting plan but quite the Hail Mary...from the opposite 1 yard line. Asking elite players to take that substantial a paycut is a tough sell.

It's a shame that Walsh didn't do a better job with their draft picks the last 2 years, to give them a comparable base to sell to these free agents. But if they can pull this off, kudos to him, D'Antoni and Dolan.

well look who it is! what's up bro? welcome back.

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6/29/2010  11:32 PM
Good stuff. I think realistically 3 stars aren't going to sign together, they will spend the next many years competing. I think we do all possible to lock up Johnson for the max then use that to pitch LeBron with the opportunity to look for a 3rd big name down the road, or trade for a top 15 center. There will be a lot of options and flexibility even after signing to max FAs, and combined with MSG stock and other extras, the Knicks should have a good chance at some people.
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6/29/2010  11:35 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
islesfan wrote:Interesting plan but quite the Hail Mary...from the opposite 1 yard line. Asking elite players to take that substantial a paycut is a tough sell.

It's a shame that Walsh didn't do a better job with their draft picks the last 2 years, to give them a comparable base to sell to these free agents. But if they can pull this off, kudos to him, D'Antoni and Dolan.

well look who it is! what's up bro? welcome back.

Thanks brother. Not much. Tried to win the Night at the Garden so I could take an upper decker in Dolan's private bathroom but no luck.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/29/2010  11:36 PM
I gotta say that doesn't make a lot of sense. Convincing one star to take a pay cut? Unlikely. Convincing 3 stars? Impossible. LeBron would be stupid to pay for anything other than the max at this point.
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6/29/2010  11:36 PM
islesfan wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
islesfan wrote:Interesting plan but quite the Hail Mary...from the opposite 1 yard line. Asking elite players to take that substantial a paycut is a tough sell.

It's a shame that Walsh didn't do a better job with their draft picks the last 2 years, to give them a comparable base to sell to these free agents. But if they can pull this off, kudos to him, D'Antoni and Dolan.

well look who it is! what's up bro? welcome back.

Thanks brother. Not much. Tried to win the Night at the Garden so I could take an upper decker in Dolan's private bathroom but no luck.

LOL, classic.. dude.. GKF actually won that

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6/29/2010  11:36 PM
Knixkik wrote:Good stuff. I think realistically 3 stars aren't going to sign together, they will spend the next many years competing. I think we do all possible to lock up Johnson for the max then use that to pitch LeBron with the opportunity to look for a 3rd big name down the road, or trade for a top 15 center. There will be a lot of options and flexibility even after signing to max FAs, and combined with MSG stock and other extras, the Knicks should have a good chance at some people.

i dont like the concept of buying something you dont really want to try and get what you do. its not like we can return it if its doesnt work out...

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6/29/2010  11:40 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
islesfan wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
islesfan wrote:Interesting plan but quite the Hail Mary...from the opposite 1 yard line. Asking elite players to take that substantial a paycut is a tough sell.

It's a shame that Walsh didn't do a better job with their draft picks the last 2 years, to give them a comparable base to sell to these free agents. But if they can pull this off, kudos to him, D'Antoni and Dolan.

well look who it is! what's up bro? welcome back.

Thanks brother. Not much. Tried to win the Night at the Garden so I could take an upper decker in Dolan's private bathroom but no luck.

LOL, classic.. dude.. GKF actually won that

Yeah, I read that. Maybe I can pay him to do it for me.

If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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6/29/2010  11:56 PM
Ridiculous.

We gotta convince Atlanta to take everyone but Gallo for JJ.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/30/2010  12:07 AM
no one would have to take a paycut if one of the free agents was a sign and trade, correct?
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6/30/2010  12:08 AM
efw wrote:no one would have to take a paycut if one of the free agents was a sign and trade, correct?

you still need the cap room to do it, and then if you did, who/what are you giving up to do 3 s&t's?

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6/30/2010  12:22 AM
sidsanders wrote:
efw wrote:no one would have to take a paycut if one of the free agents was a sign and trade, correct?

you still need the cap room to do it, and then if you did, who/what are you giving up to do 3 s&t's?

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6/30/2010  12:32 AM
Panos wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
efw wrote:no one would have to take a paycut if one of the free agents was a sign and trade, correct?

you still need the cap room to do it, and then if you did, who/what are you giving up to do 3 s&t's?

missed it...

unless they dump eddy somehow in the trade, it aint gonna happen though. i dont see anyone taking his deal right now.

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6/30/2010  12:35 AM
This is awful on so many levels.

If this is our pitch, we're going to get the door closed by the end of July 1st.

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6/30/2010  1:04 AM
lol... so now our "detailed plan" calls for Lebron, Bosh & Joe Johnson all signing for $11M this season & then promising Lebron that we'll be signing another FA like Melo to $11M next season once Eddy Curry's contract comes off the books.

wow, who the fug comes up with this stuff... i want some of what he's smoking.

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6/30/2010  1:09 AM
TMS wrote:lol... so now our "detailed plan" calls for Lebron, Bosh & Joe Johnson all signing for $11M this season & then promising Lebron that we'll be signing another FA like Melo to $11M next season once Eddy Curry's contract comes off the books.

wow, who the fug comes up with this stuff... i want some of what he's smoking.

How about this alternative? They all sign for $11M this season, and then split EC's $11M after next year in a contract renegotiation? That's another $4M each.

Detailed Plan from SI

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