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If we're not getting Lebron, I want to keep David Lee
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franco12
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6/29/2010  8:46 AM
Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

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6/29/2010  8:48 AM
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6/29/2010  8:52 AM
Donnie Walsh said a while ago that if they didn't get LeBron they would stay smart and not just throw around money like they had done in the past, so that gives me reason to hope. That being said, max money at Joe Johnson and Amare is not "being smart with your money." If David Lee will sign something reasonable like 5 yrs 50 mil (I think 10 mil/yr is about what he's worth), I'd do that and, exactly, try to stay smart with money, signing guys to contracts at or below their value, not maxing out 29 yr olds who have never led their team to the Conference Finals.
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6/29/2010  9:06 AM
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

Lee's a home grown Knick and has worked his way from pick 30 to NBA all star.

There was an article to on Rautins:

Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim said he thinks the Knicks have pulled off another mid-draft steal along the lines of David Lee.

Syracuse guard Andy Rautins, selected at No. 38 in Thursday's draft, was picked even later than Lee, who was the last pick of the first round five years ago as a Florida senior. Lee made his first All-Star in February and is ready for a big free-agent payday this summer.

Boeheim said he believes Rautins was a victim of a draft bias against college seniors, overlooked for fear they already have reached their potential.

"He's a lot better player than people think he is," Boeheim told The Post. "I'd like to say he's just a great shooter, which he is, but he can do other things -- pass and defend."

Boeheim said he fielded calls from teams late in the first round and Rautins lasted longer than Boeheim thought he would.

"You look at the first round and there's so many teams drafting young guys on potential," Boeheim said. "They could be good. But then you find out they never get to be good. Andy's ready to play now.

"Guys that work hard get better, like [Michael] Jordan," Boeheim added. "Guys that don't work hard don't get better. Andy works hard and will get better like David Lee did. People missed the boat on Lee. Andy's a workaholic."

Boeheim has spent three summers with Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni as an assistant on Team USA.

"He's a great offensive coach, one of the best I've seen," Boeheim said. "A lot of Mike's offense depends on making perimeter shots, and he can do that. It's a good fit for the Knicks."

the only point is guys who work on their game like Lee does dont really have a ceiling. They find ways to improve every year. After they have peeked skills wise they learn their opponents every move and that work ethic goes to the video room.

Rockets where 42-40 starting Chuck Hayes, Scola, Brooks, Ariza and Battier. They did so in a tougher West. No, 42 wins isnt our goal, but you CAN improve the team year by year. You allowed to do that.

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6/29/2010  9:23 AM
The suns are hot on Lee's trail if they lose Amare, so the knicks can't afford to toy around with bluffing ass stars who want leverage to broker a deal else where.
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6/29/2010  9:25 AM
Oh yeah, and If Lee hooks up with a pg like Nash, forgettaboutit..We will regret losing him for nothing
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6/29/2010  10:00 AM
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

So you dont want Amare and Joe Johnsone because you believe that squad wont crack 50 wins and be 2nd round and out every year, yet you want Lee and Mike Miller? Yeah, that combo will definitely get us our long coveted championship...

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6/29/2010  10:09 AM
David Lee reminds me of a guy named Juwan Howard who played big time for a so so team and signed a big contract and did nothing, and Juwan Howard was a much more talented player than Lee. Just say no to bringing back Lee please.
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6/29/2010  10:18 AM
Mray20 wrote:David Lee reminds me of a guy named Juwan Howard who played big time for a so so team and signed a big contract and did nothing, and Juwan Howard was a much more talented player than Lee. Just say no to bringing back Lee please.

I was a huge Fab Five fan - I followed Juwan's career since he was a freshman. He never played with half the hustle Lee brings every night. Howard was one of those guys who got 7 rebounds a game because he was tall. DLee works his butt off the get 12 rebounds a night. There's a big difference there.

Juwan reminds of a guy like Wilson - you can't tell if their head is in the game or not. DLee's head is in the game and he maximizes every ounce of talent every night.

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6/29/2010  10:30 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Mray20 wrote:David Lee reminds me of a guy named Juwan Howard who played big time for a so so team and signed a big contract and did nothing, and Juwan Howard was a much more talented player than Lee. Just say no to bringing back Lee please.

I was a huge Fab Five fan - I followed Juwan's career since he was a freshman. He never played with half the hustle Lee brings every night. Howard was one of those guys who got 7 rebounds a game because he was tall. DLee works his butt off the get 12 rebounds a night. There's a big difference there.

Juwan reminds of a guy like Wilson - you can't tell if their head is in the game or not. DLee's head is in the game and he maximizes every ounce of talent every night.

I agree here 100%...there is no comparison

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6/29/2010  11:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2010  11:31 AM
Uptown wrote:
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

So you dont want Amare and Joe Johnsone because you believe that squad wont crack 50 wins and be 2nd round and out every year, yet you want Lee and Mike Miller? Yeah, that combo will definitely get us our long coveted championship...

If we're paying Lee5-7 mil less then Amare, who won't play the defense we're looking for and rebounds just so-so. than we may as well re-sign Lee. If we spend in the 9-12 mil range on each signing, we can pick up 3 quality young guys as opposed to survivors of microfracture surgeries and disgruntled, lackluster all-stars.

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6/29/2010  11:35 AM
Since when Amare Stoudemire can't rebound? He averages 9 rpg!
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6/29/2010  12:11 PM
Uptown wrote:
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

So you dont want Amare and Joe Johnsone because you believe that squad wont crack 50 wins and be 2nd round and out every year, yet you want Lee and Mike Miller? Yeah, that combo will definitely get us our long coveted championship...

To me, Amare & Joe Johnson and our current roster equals 40 wins, over or under.

I'd rather keep Lee & add lesser FAs who won't choke my cap going forward. Mike Miller with a three year deal is a lot easier to move than Amare at $17m with three left, and dangling knee and retinas.

And Lee & some other added pieces might very well have the same ceiling, or perhaps a notch lower, but we maintain a far greater degree of cap flexibility moving forward.

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6/29/2010  12:12 PM
iSergio wrote:Since when Amare Stoudemire can't rebound? He averages 9 rpg!

But he should be getting 10-12 every night.

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6/29/2010  12:24 PM
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Uptown wrote:
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

So you dont want Amare and Joe Johnsone because you believe that squad wont crack 50 wins and be 2nd round and out every year, yet you want Lee and Mike Miller? Yeah, that combo will definitely get us our long coveted championship...

If we're paying Lee5-7 mil less then Amare, who won't play the defense we're looking for and rebounds just so-so. than we may as well re-sign Lee. If we spend in the 9-12 mil range on each signing, we can pick up 3 quality young guys as opposed to survivors of microfracture surgeries and disgruntled, lackluster all-stars.

Agreed. I would strongly consider keeping Lee and using the extra $7 mil on a pg or defensive minded big man. Aside from a franchise player, this team desperately needs a strong floor leader and an inside presence.

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6/29/2010  12:28 PM
franco12 wrote:
iSergio wrote:Since when Amare Stoudemire can't rebound? He averages 9 rpg!

But he should be getting 10-12 every night.

why? He outrebounds his opponents.

Amare + Lee = great frontcourt.

I would MUCH rather have Amare + Lee + Mike Miller than Amare + JJ

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6/29/2010  12:59 PM
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Uptown wrote:
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

So you dont want Amare and Joe Johnsone because you believe that squad wont crack 50 wins and be 2nd round and out every year, yet you want Lee and Mike Miller? Yeah, that combo will definitely get us our long coveted championship...

If we're paying Lee5-7 mil less then Amare, who won't play the defense we're looking for and rebounds just so-so. than we may as well re-sign Lee. If we spend in the 9-12 mil range on each signing, we can pick up 3 quality young guys as opposed to survivors of microfracture surgeries and disgruntled, lackluster all-stars.

Agreed. I would strongly consider keeping Lee and using the extra $7 mil on a pg or defensive minded big man. Aside from a franchise player, this team desperately needs a strong floor leader and an inside presence.

Lee is going to command more than 10 mil so we aint saving 7 mil by signing Lee and I doubt he gives us a discount. Yes, we need a pg, but even with Joe and Amare we can still possibly trade for Parker or sign him next season when he's a FA and Curry comes off the books. Amare would be our best interior player since Ewing, but I agree, we would still need a defensive presence to play along side him.

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6/29/2010  1:23 PM
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:
iSergio wrote:Since when Amare Stoudemire can't rebound? He averages 9 rpg!

But he should be getting 10-12 every night.

why? He outrebounds his opponents.

Amare + Lee = great frontcourt.

I would MUCH rather have Amare + Lee + Mike Miller than Amare + JJ

We can quible about Amare - but I'd agree with taking Lee, Amare & Mike Miller over Amare & JJ.

Lee can clean up all the boards Amare watches go by him.

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6/29/2010  1:24 PM
Uptown wrote:
OffDaMeterzzzz wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
Uptown wrote:
franco12 wrote:Don't give me Joe Johnson and Amare.

Keep David, add one of those second tier guys - preferably a big up front.

And then add another, third tier player, preferably young, like a Mike Miller, Ty Thomas, Tyson Chandler, or use Eddy's deal to get a player like Arenas, and try to not screw up cap flexibility too much.

So you dont want Amare and Joe Johnsone because you believe that squad wont crack 50 wins and be 2nd round and out every year, yet you want Lee and Mike Miller? Yeah, that combo will definitely get us our long coveted championship...

If we're paying Lee5-7 mil less then Amare, who won't play the defense we're looking for and rebounds just so-so. than we may as well re-sign Lee. If we spend in the 9-12 mil range on each signing, we can pick up 3 quality young guys as opposed to survivors of microfracture surgeries and disgruntled, lackluster all-stars.

Agreed. I would strongly consider keeping Lee and using the extra $7 mil on a pg or defensive minded big man. Aside from a franchise player, this team desperately needs a strong floor leader and an inside presence.

Lee is going to command more than 10 mil so we aint saving 7 mil by signing Lee and I doubt he gives us a discount. Yes, we need a pg, but even with Joe and Amare we can still possibly trade for Parker or sign him next season when he's a FA and Curry comes off the books. Amare would be our best interior player since Ewing, but I agree, we would still need a defensive presence to play along side him.

What are Joe and Amare going to do for us that they didn't do for PHX 3-5 years ago?

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6/29/2010  2:30 PM
franco12 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:
iSergio wrote:Since when Amare Stoudemire can't rebound? He averages 9 rpg!

But he should be getting 10-12 every night.

why? He outrebounds his opponents.

Amare + Lee = great frontcourt.

I would MUCH rather have Amare + Lee + Mike Miller than Amare + JJ

We can quible about Amare - but I'd agree with taking Lee, Amare & Mike Miller over Amare & JJ.

Lee can clean up all the boards Amare watches go by him.

its funny. Amare is killed around here for his defense, and its true.. his help D is weak, but if you look at 82games stats Amare has one of lowest opposing FG% for front court players. For what its worth people are NOT scoring easy on Amare. At all.
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