I, for one, can't wait for JJ to be putting up 17/5 as the highest paid player in the League at 33.

One of the big upsides to signing JJ is I think it allows MDA to play and start Douglas at PG. I dont think this should be undersold. JJ gives you a consisten 20+/5/5 every night with good defense and good shooting. You know about Douglas scoring but he's a great defender at the PG position. You replace Duhon, Hughes, Chandler, Sergio, etc... all these inconsistant guys who got burn in the backcourt with a very solid combo.

Its not my first choice either but you guys make it like we are bringing Steph back from China.

iSergio wrote:I give it less then 10 games before Joe Johnson get's booed at the Garden and he pulls a 'Chris Brown' at center court.

fishmike wrote:JJ is a good player. He's not Jerry Stackhouse. He's a 4 time all star. Great passer, shooter, ball handler, good rebounder, works hard, plays hard, great size... he's not a franchise player or a superstar and giving max contracts to guys who arent is always a risk. If Bosh were a SG he would be JJ.

One of the big upsides to signing JJ is I think it allows MDA to play and start Douglas at PG. I dont think this should be undersold. JJ gives you a consisten 20+/5/5 every night with good defense and good shooting. You know about Douglas scoring but he's a great defender at the PG position. You replace Duhon, Hughes, Chandler, Sergio, etc... all these inconsistant guys who got burn in the backcourt with a very solid combo.

Its not my first choice either but you guys make it like we are bringing Steph back from China.

Sorry to bring this up, but while JJ might give us consistent production, and a big improvement over some of the guys we marched out at the two, I keep thinking who replaces Harrington's production? And while Joe is better than Al, he's not that much better.

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:I give it less then 10 games before Joe Johnson get's booed at the Garden and he pulls a 'Chris Brown' at center court.

you also think Drew Gooden is as good as David Lee

Not offensively. But defensively, Drew Gooden is 1000x better. Heck, you and I are better defenders than David Lee.

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:I give it less then 10 games before Joe Johnson get's booed at the Garden and he pulls a 'Chris Brown' at center court.

you also think Drew Gooden is as good as David Lee

Not offensively. But defensively, Drew Gooden is 1000x better. Heck, you and I are better defenders than David Lee.

Blind hatred is good for the soul.

Vmart wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:"Silent Joe" turns 29 today. A five-year max deal would give the Knicks his "prime" years of 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33!

I, for one, can't wait for JJ to be putting up 17/5 as the highest paid player in the League at 33.

17/5 you would be lucky to get that production out of Joe at 33. Didn't you see how much he aged in the playoffs he was giving you 17/5 this year. By the time he is 33 your talking about 10/5 at max $$$$.

I agree with your point. Think Larry Hughes, at the end of the big contract. Maybe he has the good night, maybe he doesn't. At year 33, at the other end of the rainbow, do we want to be drooling at the mouth, waiting for this guy to leave? Better to get a player who's going up as opposed the the player going dow. The same goes for his pal Amare.

nixluva wrote:How old is Ray Allen? 33 or older? In any case JJ3's game isn't very physical and not predicated on great athletic feats. He's a grounded player, low impact so I'd expect he'll be about the same as long as there are no knee issues. H2O never lost his shot just his legs he could've put up good numbers late in he career. JJ3 is a guy that should be able to produce well into his 30's. This is not to say I want him above say Bosh but he would be a good plan B.

to put this into perspective.... Ray Allen is 34 turns 35 in July. Paul Pierce is 32, turns 33 in Oct. Kobe is 31 turns 32 in Aug.

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:JJ is a good player. He's not Jerry Stackhouse. He's a 4 time all star. Great passer, shooter, ball handler, good rebounder, works hard, plays hard, great size... he's not a franchise player or a superstar and giving max contracts to guys who arent is always a risk. If Bosh were a SG he would be JJ.

One of the big upsides to signing JJ is I think it allows MDA to play and start Douglas at PG. I dont think this should be undersold. JJ gives you a consisten 20+/5/5 every night with good defense and good shooting. You know about Douglas scoring but he's a great defender at the PG position. You replace Duhon, Hughes, Chandler, Sergio, etc... all these inconsistant guys who got burn in the backcourt with a very solid combo.

Its not my first choice either but you guys make it like we are bringing Steph back from China.

Sorry to bring this up, but while JJ might give us consistent production, and a big improvement over some of the guys we marched out at the two, I keep thinking who replaces Harrington's production? And while Joe is better than Al, he's not that much better.

JJ is playing SG. Your getting 20/5/5 every night from a spot you got doodoo from last year. His skill set makes the Knicks better because of the Douglas factor I mentioned.

Harrington at more TOs than assists last year. He shot 43%. His 5.6 rebounds are atrocious. Less than a steal per game. When you look at Harrington's play last year its easy to see why the Knicks were bad.

Night after night the +/- at PG, SG and PF put us in such a hole its not even funny. JJ fixes two of those because he lets you run Douglas out at PG without having to run the team every possesion.

We dont need to replace Harrrington's production.