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djsunyc
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6/27/2010  8:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2010  8:59 PM
nothing is done yet but if lebron does not sign with new york, then that is a huge statement (and ego blow) to all ny sports fans.

with an even playing field (in terms of contract), the best players would rather not play in the pressure cooker that is ny.

arod makes the most money but was traded here. clemens passed on ny too...as did bonds and maddux back in the 90's.

tex signed with the yanks and johan/pedro signed with the mets b/c they offered far more than anybody else.

but if you are offered the same contract from elsewhere, the player passes on ny's bright lights.

so this lebron to ny thing is far more important than just the nba and the knicks...but a statement in all of sports that ny is not a prime destination for the best.

and should also something that ny fans learn from so they can appreciate their players more...especially the ones that want to stay here.
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6/27/2010  9:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2010  9:06 PM
Its not as balck and white as you make it. You said it your self when you mentioned the Yanks, nothing to do with the city; everything to do with the money. As far as Lebron is concerned, its has nothing to do with the pressure cooker. Knicks and Bulls can offer Lebron the same money so it boils down to who offers Lebron the best chance to win. Bulls have a better roster so why not play in Chi. Not sure whats so hard to understand.
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6/27/2010  9:08 PM
More doom and gloom. Let me set the record straight.

1) Teix turned down more money from the Nats to come to NY
2) CC had to be convinced, but he chose NY over other options
3) Arod had a no trade clause. He chose NY.
4) F--- the Mets. Nobody cares about them
5) the Knicks ownership and the NY press are the only detriments to playing bball in NY. It has nothing to do with the fans. The question is whether the fans can outweigh the rest of the bulls**t

You know I gonna spin wit it
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6/27/2010  9:18 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:More doom and gloom. Let me set the record straight.

1) Teix turned down more money from the Nats to come to NY
2) CC had to be convinced, but he chose NY over other options
3) Arod had a no trade clause. He chose NY.
4) F--- the Mets. Nobody cares about them
5) the Knicks ownership and the NY press are the only detriments to playing bball in NY. It has nothing to do with the fans. The question is whether the fans can outweigh the rest of the bulls**t

Add the coach and his 'system' and I think the list is complete.
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6/27/2010  9:20 PM
Speaking of pressure cooker, if people make the argument that Lebron can globalize his brand and still make just as much money if he stayed in a small market like Cleve because of advances in technology, etc, then can I make the same argument that the pressure for a star player like Lebron will be just as high regardless of where he plays? I cant imagine the pressure being any higher for Lebron than it was when he and the Cavs lost to the Celts. ESPN, Foxsports, blogs, etc was rippin' him a new a##hole. He got booed in Cleve. All the talking heads were saying Kobe was the king, etc.....In these new days and times..I think its a pressure cooker everywhere especially with these journalists trying to one up each other...
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6/27/2010  9:21 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:More doom and gloom. Let me set the record straight.

1) Teix turned down more money from the Nats to come to NY
2) CC had to be convinced, but he chose NY over other options
3) Arod had a no trade clause. He chose NY.
4) F--- the Mets. Nobody cares about them
5) the Knicks ownership and the NY press are the only detriments to playing bball in NY. It has nothing to do with the fans. The question is whether the fans can outweigh the rest of the bulls**t

Add the coach and his 'system' and I think the list is complete.

Dude, seriously, must you turn every thread you jump in into a MDA bash fest?
djsunyc
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6/27/2010  9:25 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:More doom and gloom. Let me set the record straight.

1) Teix turned down more money from the Nats to come to NY
2) CC had to be convinced, but he chose NY over other options
3) Arod had a no trade clause. He chose NY.
4) F--- the Mets. Nobody cares about them
5) the Knicks ownership and the NY press are the only detriments to playing bball in NY. It has nothing to do with the fans. The question is whether the fans can outweigh the rest of the bulls**t

tex/cc did not get bigger offers anywhere else.

arod first wanted boston and got to the yankees later.

but this is not a doom and gloom thread. this is a state of sports athletes thread and how it relates to ny. i think 99.9% of athletes would rather avoid the spotlight, media and fanbase in ny if the playing field is level in terms of contract.
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6/27/2010  11:24 PM
Yankees do offer a wealth of assets. Big money and the luxury of being able to heal from injury which is often cuz the roster is stacked.

You sit and get well until playoff time.

We don't win every year but often enough.

What gets lost on most fans in NY is the knicks need momentum and a base to start with.

Its a process that has to begin at some point. Maybe it does not begin with Lebron but one day it might begine a 10-15 year run.

It won't be set in one summer.

The Hassan Whiteside era will start sometime.
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6/27/2010  11:51 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:4) F--- the Mets. Nobody cares about them

this one made me smile.

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6/28/2010  12:11 AM
There's a difference between wanting to play for the Yankees vs. wanting to play for the Knicks. The Knicks have been the crappiest, worst run franchise in the NBA over the last 10 years and who could blame anyone for not wanting to come here. I think playing in NY is still a draw, playing for the disaster that is the Knicks is the detractor right now. It takes a lot of guts to want to be the guy to turn this thing around.

Lebron does not want to be the guy that could've been the best ever but never won a title...and fear of that is why he wouldn't sign here IMO, not the city.
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6/28/2010  12:17 AM
playing for the Yankees is akin to playing for the Celtics or Lakers... best & most storied franchise in the sport... it's not the NY factor... the Knicks have been the joke of the NBA for the past several years... people think the NY factor is going to override all the years of embarassment... seems like a stretch to me.
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6/28/2010  10:03 AM
i agree that playing for the yankees is different, but we still dole out a ton more money for those players. i bet alot of guys, with the money being equal, would sign elsewhere (like tex was about to in boston till we came in with $20 mil more guaranteed)...
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6/28/2010  10:20 AM
Anyone that compares the Yankees to the Knicks and New York should just stop writing. The Yankees are the most storied franchise in all of sports and have more titles than just about every other cities sports team combined.

Frazier, Reed, Ewing, King, Earl, Dave that's really your NY Knick legacy. You can barely fill out a roster with the supposed "Storied History"

The Yankees can do that with there current team. They are a class orgnization and people grow up dreaming of being a Yankee. No one dreams of playing for the Knicks that doesn't live in this city. 1973! We have been in how many finals since. The same as the NJ Nets.

If you can get the same amount of cash you are not coming to New York. These guys as a rule all fold under pressure. Do they want to read about it and be stressed out all day every day and deal with 100 reporters. No.
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6/28/2010  10:32 AM
djsunyc wrote:i agree that playing for the yankees is different, but we still dole out a ton more money for those players. i bet alot of guys, with the money being equal, would sign elsewhere (like tex was about to in boston till we came in with $20 mil more guaranteed)...

I dont really think thats the case. There's a few guys that came here for less (Pavano comes to mind right away). And there are a ton more guys who made the Yanks their first and/or only choice because they saw it as their best chance to win ball games (and get paid handsomely too- but still I generally don't think the Yanks are paying a "tax" just to be able to get players to consider them).
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6/28/2010  10:47 AM
djsunyc wrote:nothing is done yet but if lebron does not sign with new york, then that is a huge statement (and ego blow) to all ny sports fans.

with an even playing field (in terms of contract), the best players would rather not play in the pressure cooker that is ny.

arod makes the most money but was traded here. clemens passed on ny too...as did bonds and maddux back in the 90's.

tex signed with the yanks and johan/pedro signed with the mets b/c they offered far more than anybody else.

but if you are offered the same contract from elsewhere, the player passes on ny's bright lights.

so this lebron to ny thing is far more important than just the nba and the knicks...but a statement in all of sports that ny is not a prime destination for the best.

and should also something that ny fans learn from so they can appreciate their players more...especially the ones that want to stay here.

how about all the guys who have resigned? You mentioned baseball players... I can only think of one guy who actually left and that was Pettitte and he's back.

CC, Tex, ARod, Santana, Burnett... those guys will make a fortune anywhere. They came because its the best city to win in. Zito got a $100mm to play for the Giants. Its not all about money.

Its not NYs fault that guys are pussies and cant handle the pressure. Not a blow to my ego at all. Nothing can deflate that.

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6/28/2010  10:59 AM
I hear some fans can't handle it either.
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6/28/2010  11:26 AM
Andrew wrote:I hear some fans can't handle it either.

HAHAHA!
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