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6/25/2010  5:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  6:56 PM
SL pickups so far

So much for my belief that we would be very popular with the undrafted prospects because we have so many spots open.

Knicks: Michael Washington (6’10”) Arkansas - a pretty nice pick-up.

Brian Zoubek will play summer league with the New Jersey Nets in Orlando.

Marqus Blakely is going to summer league with the LA Clippers in Vegas

Artsiom Parakhouski will play for Boston's summer league team in Orlando and then needs to decide who to play for in Vegas.

Matt Bouldin and Samardo Samuels will be on Bulls summer league team

Sylven Landesberg will play for Sacramento's summer league squad in Las Vegas.

Sherron Collins invited to Charlotte SL team.

Jeremy Wise will be playing summer league with Golden State in Vegas.

Jerome Randle will play for Washington's summer league team.

Mikhail Torrance will be playing with the Charlotte Bobcat's Summer League team.

Jon Scheyer...Washington?


Edit 1: Ben Uzoh and Wayne Chism playing for the Nets Summer League.

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6/25/2010  6:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  7:42 PM
Awesome...Michael Washington??? They're kidding right? What's so special about this guy? His numbers were subpar (he showed noticible regression from his junior year and definitely took a step backward as a senior) not to mention that Razorback team was terrible this season...I just can't believe the lack of focus, aggressiveness, creativity & talent evaluation along with the willingness to sit on their hands and do next to nothing during one of the most crucial periods in this team's history. MONUMENTALLY DISAPPOINTING...I mean seriously, I don't know what to F-in say dudes...I'm at a complete loss. They are not operating like a team that wants to pull itself out of the huge hole they're in..I had a plan mapped out in my mind on how they should proceed this off-season and they haven't even come close to it in any way, shape or form yet....Now hearing that they may not have traded into the first round because they want to conserve the money to "make a respectable offer to Earl Barron." Are you kidding me?!?! Earl Barron did OK for us last year but he's absolutely the last thing we should be thinking about right now. This dude wasn't even the best big in the d-league last year that we could've called up at the time...This team just never does the right things to help themselves improve..It's embarrassing how poorly run we are, soup to nuts...Man I'm heartbroken so far. I know Walsh & MDA inherited a complete mess left over by Isiah Thomas, but come on man, that's no excuse to sit around and do nothing while there are viable thing we could be doing to improve the outlook.

But wait -- we'll have Blake Ahearn and Wink Adams to look forward later this summer, so everything will soon be right in the world.

We are officially the joke of the league..I wish I was a fly on the wall in that dinner party they plan on throwing for LeBron James. I don't see how the King's gonna be able to keep a straight face during that sit down..I mean what the flying F will they be selling the man on to get him to come here??? Andy Rautins??? Billy Walker's new chiseled body? The sausage truck on the corner of 34th & 8th?? In my eyes, drafting smartly & aggressively followed up by putting together a stacked summer league roster were the first two opportunities we had at our disposal where we could've shown these FAs that we're serious about improving and improving in a big way fast. We don't have D-Wade or Derrick Rose here. As such we need to be doing a hell of a lot more to show FAs that this is the right place to come to. More than these other teams..How have we done that so far? Someone tell me. Big-time 0-2 so far my friends.

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6/25/2010  7:08 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Edit 1: Ben Uzoh and Wayne Chism playing for the Nets Summer League.

It gets even better. And the hits just keep on comin'.

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6/25/2010  7:12 PM
Finestrg wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Edit 1: Ben Uzoh and Wayne Chism playing for the Nets Summer League.

It gets even better. And the hits just keep on comin'.

You can play in the Orlando SL and the Las Vegas SL if you want, though, and we are in Vegas.

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6/25/2010  7:15 PM
Finestrg wrote:Awesome...Michael Washington??? They're kidding right? What's so special about this guy? His numbers were subpar (he showed noticible regression from his junior year and definitely took a step backward as a senior) not to mention that Razorback team was terrible this season...I just can't believe the lack of focus, aggressiveness, creativity & talent evaluation along with the willingness to sit on their hands and do next to nothing during one of the most crucial periods in this team's history. MONUMENTALLY DISAPPOINTING...I mean seriously, I don't know what to F-in say dudes...I'm at a complete loss. They are not operating like a team that wants to pull itself out of the huge hole they're in..I had a plan mapped out in my mind on how they should proceed this off-season and they haven't even come close to it in any way, shape or form yet....Now hearing that they may not have traded into the first round because they want to conserve the money to "make a respectable offer to Earl Barron." Are you kidding me?!?! Earl Barron did OK for us last year but he's absolutely the last thing we should be thinking about right now. This dude wasn't even the best big in the d-league last year that we could've called up at the time...This team just never does the right things to help themselves improve..It's embarrassing how poorly run we are, soup to nuts...Man I'm heartbroken so far. I know Walsh & MDA inherited a complete mess left over by Isiah Thomas, but come on man, that's no excuse to sit around and do nothing while there are viable thing we could be doing to improve the outlook.

But wait -- we'll have Blake Ahearn and Wink Adams to look forward later this summer, so everything will soon be right in the world.

We are officially the joke of the league..I wish I was a fly on the wall in that dinner party they plan on throwing for LeBron James. I don't see how the King's gonna be able to keep a straight face during that sit down..I mean what the flying F will they be selling the man on to get him to come here??? Andy Rautins??? The sausage truck on the corner of 34th & 8th?? In my eyes, drafting smartly & aggressively followed up by putting together a stacked summer league roster were the first two opportunities we had at our disposal where we could've shown these FAs that we're serious about improving and improving in a big way fast. We don't have D-Wade or Derrick Rose here. As such we need to be doing a hell of a lot more to show FAs that this is the right place to come to. More than these other teams..How have we done that so far? Someone tell me. Big-time 0-2 so far my friends.

They're just summer league invites. Who was the last player signed from summer league that ever did anything? Relax yourself.

Same thing happens every year after the draft and everyone forgets all these players once training camp rolls around.

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6/25/2010  7:15 PM
You know what, someone touched on it in another thread either yesterday or today, I really don't think Mike D'Antoni wants any part of developing young players in any way. He just wants two max guys (it doesn't even matter who they wind up being i suspect -- to Mike, I betcha JJ and Boozer would be a homerun off-season) and wants to get back into the playoffs and that's it. That's all the owner really wants, we already know that. And Donnie -- I really don't know what to make of him right now. I think he's just deferring to the coach on a lot of stuff, esp. after they differed greatly on the Jordan Hill pick from last year...I was OK with these two leading into the off-season, right up until we wiffed on the draft last night and now apparently aren't doing the right thing with regards to putting together the summer league team. First time I'm saying it is right now -- I really gotta question the leadership on this team moving forward. We may not have the right GM & coach for the job.
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6/25/2010  7:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  7:22 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Awesome...Michael Washington??? They're kidding right? What's so special about this guy? His numbers were subpar (he showed noticible regression from his junior year and definitely took a step backward as a senior) not to mention that Razorback team was terrible this season...I just can't believe the lack of focus, aggressiveness, creativity & talent evaluation along with the willingness to sit on their hands and do next to nothing during one of the most crucial periods in this team's history. MONUMENTALLY DISAPPOINTING...I mean seriously, I don't know what to F-in say dudes...I'm at a complete loss. They are not operating like a team that wants to pull itself out of the huge hole they're in..I had a plan mapped out in my mind on how they should proceed this off-season and they haven't even come close to it in any way, shape or form yet....Now hearing that they may not have traded into the first round because they want to conserve the money to "make a respectable offer to Earl Barron." Are you kidding me?!?! Earl Barron did OK for us last year but he's absolutely the last thing we should be thinking about right now. This dude wasn't even the best big in the d-league last year that we could've called up at the time...This team just never does the right things to help themselves improve..It's embarrassing how poorly run we are, soup to nuts...Man I'm heartbroken so far. I know Walsh & MDA inherited a complete mess left over by Isiah Thomas, but come on man, that's no excuse to sit around and do nothing while there are viable thing we could be doing to improve the outlook.

But wait -- we'll have Blake Ahearn and Wink Adams to look forward later this summer, so everything will soon be right in the world.

We are officially the joke of the league..I wish I was a fly on the wall in that dinner party they plan on throwing for LeBron James. I don't see how the King's gonna be able to keep a straight face during that sit down..I mean what the flying F will they be selling the man on to get him to come here??? Andy Rautins??? The sausage truck on the corner of 34th & 8th?? In my eyes, drafting smartly & aggressively followed up by putting together a stacked summer league roster were the first two opportunities we had at our disposal where we could've shown these FAs that we're serious about improving and improving in a big way fast. We don't have D-Wade or Derrick Rose here. As such we need to be doing a hell of a lot more to show FAs that this is the right place to come to. More than these other teams..How have we done that so far? Someone tell me. Big-time 0-2 so far my friends.

They're just summer league invites. Who was the last player signed from summer league that ever did anything? Relax yourself.

Same thing happens every year after the draft and everyone forgets all these players once training camp rolls around.

Relax nothing. We've done nothing to help ourselves so far. And as Bill Murray would say, That's the fact Jack!

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6/25/2010  7:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  7:23 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Edit 1: Ben Uzoh and Wayne Chism playing for the Nets Summer League.

It gets even better. And the hits just keep on comin'.

You can play in the Orlando SL and the Las Vegas SL if you want, though, and we are in Vegas.

Yeah up until a player gets that initial offer from the first team..I'm not into sloppy seconds when it comes to anything -- we need to go out and put together a stacked summer league team at all costs. No way you can poo-poo the draft and SL in our sorry state and say they are meaningless. For the Lakers or the Celtics maybe, not for us..No way.

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6/25/2010  8:22 PM
Finestrg wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
Edit 1: Ben Uzoh and Wayne Chism playing for the Nets Summer League.

It gets even better. And the hits just keep on comin'.

You can play in the Orlando SL and the Las Vegas SL if you want, though, and we are in Vegas.

Yeah up until a player gets that initial offer from the first team.I'm not into sloppy seconds when it comes to anything -- we need to go out and put together a stacked summer league team at all costs. No way you can poo-poo the draft and SL in our sorry state and say they are meaningless. For the Lakers or the Celtics maybe, not for us..No way.

SL teams don't mean much. Didn't we have a really good SL team 2 or 3 years ago, but our NBA team didn't make the playoffs.

Right now we have 5 players for SL:

Jerome Jordan - C
Michael Washington - PF
Landry Fields - SF
Andy Rautins - SG
Toney Douglas - PG
(??Maybe add Earl Baron - C??)

4 of these players will definitely be invited to training camp in the fall. These are the guys I most want to see get some significant minutes in SL. It is great if we can pick up some other talented players, but these 4 are our best possibilities to make the 15 man roster.

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6/25/2010  9:09 PM
HEY we can sign these summer league guys even if they're not on our team, right?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/25/2010  9:15 PM
kam77 wrote:HEY we can sign these summer league guys even if they're not on our team, right?

Yes--thats why it is important to pay attention to all players in every game

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6/25/2010  9:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  9:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
kam77 wrote:HEY we can sign these summer league guys even if they're not on our team, right?

Yes--thats why it is important to pay attention to all players in every game

True but there are some factors that I believe play into it...We talked about this last year -- You can't convince me we'd have the upper hand in those situations (trying to sign a summer player playing for and excelling on another team). A summer player on a certain team other than the Knicks, if even for only a week, will be in direct contact with that team's coaching staff for feedback, dialogue & instruction on a daily basis. They're playing in that system, which may be drastically different than the style MDA wants to play btw making it hard to evaulate properly...We'd be on the outside looking in instead of directly evaluating on our terms..As for the players themselves, they're thankful for that first opportunity. Remember these are guys that went undrafted or other guys trying to crack the league for the first time -- they're looking for work in the NBA basically. If the undrafted player is lucky enough to get invited to summer ball by a certain team, winds up playing well where the team likes him and is willing to make them an immediate offer, what do you think they're gonna turn the offer down and say I gotta go try out for the Knicks first??? I can't say for certain, but I'd be willing to bet anything that it doesn't work that way. I gotta believe that offer will be accepted on the spot..All these guys are looking for is an offer from anyone this way they can relax, breathe easy and unpack the suitcase & tell their families they won't be going to Greece or Turkey for the foreseeable future because the next best option, the D-League, pays no money at all. Point is I gotta believe we lack the upper hand and are at a severe disadvantage in those situations..That's why I feel it's important to be aggressive and invite the best possible talent in ourselves for our own team and then start evaluating on our own terms within our system. Then if we like a guy, we come hard with positive feedback and a contract offer for training camp, possibly even before the week is out, not giving other interested teams an opportunity..I gotta believe that's how this works.

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6/25/2010  10:23 PM
We are lacking. Think of Jerome Randle as a Steve Nash prototype. Shooting, passing, small but explosive. These guys (DW, ) really need to step it up.
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6/26/2010  9:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2010  9:39 AM
Highlights of Michael Washington and Game highlights Arkansas vs Texas. Washington has an excellent game. Looks like a good player to include on our SL roster.

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Finestrg wrote:You know what, someone touched on it in another thread either yesterday or today, I really don't think Mike D'Antoni wants any part of developing young players in any way. He just wants two max guys (it doesn't even matter who they wind up being i suspect -- to Mike, I betcha JJ and Boozer would be a homerun off-season) and wants to get back into the playoffs and that's it. That's all the owner really wants, we already know that. And Donnie -- I really don't know what to make of him right now. I think he's just deferring to the coach on a lot of stuff, esp. after they differed greatly on the Jordan Hill pick from last year...I was OK with these two leading into the off-season, right up until we wiffed on the draft last night and now apparently aren't doing the right thing with regards to putting together the summer league team. First time I'm saying it is right now -- I really gotta question the leadership on this team moving forward. We may not have the right GM & coach for the job.

I think this is very accurate.
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6/26/2010  10:12 AM
Sangfroid wrote:We are lacking. Think of Jerome Randle as a Steve Nash prototype. Shooting, passing, small but explosive. These guys (DW, ) really need to step it up.

I'm also surprised that we did not look at Randle, and that he would want to sign on with Washington. Does this mean that Washington beat us to the guy; Walsh is not interested; or Randle's agent wanted him in Washington? Maybe Randle is going to try to outplay Wall in SL and make a name for himself?

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6/26/2010  10:22 AM
Markji wrote:Highlights of Michael Washington and Game highlights Arkansas vs Texas. Washington has an excellent game. Looks like a good player to include on our SL roster.

He actually sounds like a nice addition, assuming the back issue mentioned is not a problem: From the Times Record Online:
"We've been in everyday contact with the New York Knicks," Nick Paluch, the director of marketing and co-founder of BP Sports Management, the agency representing Washington, said Wednesday before the draft.
"They're not looking at him as someone who would be a big scorer. But someone who would give them 10, 12 minutes and get maybe six points and a handful of rebounds."
Washington considered entering the 2009 NBA Draft as a junior after averaging 15.5 points and 9.8 rebounds for the Razorbacks, but returned to school and his numbers dropped in 2009-10. The McGehee native struggled with a back injury most of the year and averaged 12.5 points and 6.1 rebounds a game last season.
But Paluch said the Knicks were especially attracted to Washington's ability to play off the pick and roll and knock down jump shots, which is a staple of New York coach Mike D'Antoni's system. Washington may have helped himself with a solid week at the Portsmouth Invitational this spring. He also worked out for the Knicks a day before the draft and will get a chance to make the roster this summer.

Another site said that after a nice season as a junior, he was set to be a potential 1st rounder, but that the decline in production during his senior season changed everything. If his back is OK...

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6/26/2010  1:11 PM
Washington is the perfect player to pick up for SL. Excellent Jr year. Not as good Sr year due to injury - playing hurt. Yet a very good basketball talent. Give him a chance and see what he can do with no committment made.
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6/26/2010  5:49 PM
Former Seattle star (Mid-Major All-American) Charles Garcia will play in the NBA Summer League with the Knicks

Interesting player from what I have read, but few clips of him. Those of you who love tattoos will love this guy.

The good:

More impressive is the wide array of skills he’s flashed along the way, looking like a real prototype for what the NBA covets from a modern day power forward. The wow factor when watching him play is extremely high—think of somewhat of a cross between Andray Blatche and Lamar Odom. Garcia plays facing the basket almost exclusively, despite standing 6-10, and is often asked to bring the ball up the floor and act as a pseudo point guard for his team, as we saw on film in the Utah game. He’s an outstanding ball-handler who can create his own shot with ease in isolation situations and is incredibly difficult to stop off the dribble, which is something you can hardly about any other big man in this draft class.
(9/09)

The Bad:

Always in attack mode, Garcia is not terribly discerning when defenses key in on him, leading to a great deal of inconsistency and some problematic habits. Still apt to take a contested jumper with multiple defenders around him, he makes himself a difficult player to play alongside. Creating little within the framework of Seattle’s half court sets, doing the majority of his damage operating one-on-one or in transition, and turning the ball over as often as any player in our database per-40 minute pace adjusted,Garcia will need to improve his ability to function as a roleplayer on the next level. In order to do that, he’ll need to polish his jump shot, be more active moving without the ball, and cut down on his turnovers to be more efficient as a slashes or face-up post player.

Most importantly, he must improve his recognition of things that are happening on the floor, and not just barrel his way into the lane the way he all too often does at the moment. Garcia’s basketball IQ is simply not up to par with his talent-level, something that became more and more obvious as the season moved on.

(3/10)

Both are from DraftExpress.

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6/26/2010  6:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2010  6:10 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Former Seattle star (Mid-Major All-American) Charles Garcia will play in the NBA Summer League with the Knicks

Interesting player from what I have read, but few clips of him. Those of you who love tattoos will love this guy.

The good:

More impressive is the wide array of skills he’s flashed along the way, looking like a real prototype for what the NBA covets from a modern day power forward. The wow factor when watching him play is extremely high—think of somewhat of a cross between Andray Blatche and Lamar Odom. Garcia plays facing the basket almost exclusively, despite standing 6-10, and is often asked to bring the ball up the floor and act as a pseudo point guard for his team, as we saw on film in the Utah game. He’s an outstanding ball-handler who can create his own shot with ease in isolation situations and is incredibly difficult to stop off the dribble, which is something you can hardly about any other big man in this draft class.
(9/09)

The Bad:

Always in attack mode, Garcia is not terribly discerning when defenses key in on him, leading to a great deal of inconsistency and some problematic habits. Still apt to take a contested jumper with multiple defenders around him, he makes himself a difficult player to play alongside. Creating little within the framework of Seattle’s half court sets, doing the majority of his damage operating one-on-one or in transition, and turning the ball over as often as any player in our database per-40 minute pace adjusted,Garcia will need to improve his ability to function as a roleplayer on the next level. In order to do that, he’ll need to polish his jump shot, be more active moving without the ball, and cut down on his turnovers to be more efficient as a slashes or face-up post player.

Most importantly, he must improve his recognition of things that are happening on the floor, and not just barrel his way into the lane the way he all too often does at the moment. Garcia’s basketball IQ is simply not up to par with his talent-level, something that became more and more obvious as the season moved on.

(3/10)

Both are from DraftExpress.

these were two good quality additions. Now we have 7-1 6-10 6-10 and all can play that we can take a hard look at besides the wings. Shows just how incredible the secondary depth of this draft was.

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