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CrushAlot
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6/25/2010  6:18 AM
D+ Picks:
No. 38 Andy Rautins
No. 39 Landry Fields Rautins has the potential to develop into a solid rotation player with his shooting ability and good basketball mind. He even ran the offense for Syracuse on occasion, and he's a good passer and selfless player. Even so, the value wasn't particularly great taking him so early in the second round. There were clearly better players available, and Rautins wasn't even assured of being picked at all. Fields was a plain old blunder. Players like him are a dime a dozen in the D-League, and that will be where he heads right away – and probably stays for a while. There were better uses for these picks.
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6/25/2010  6:33 AM
Here is realgm's grade of the Knicks:

Knicks: The time for the Knicks to hit homers was in 2008 and 2009, but drafting Andy Rautins and Landry Fields is the draft equivalent of a sacrifice bunt. The absolute ceiling for each player is as a 10th or 11th man, which of course leaves little margin of error. I like Rautins quite a bit more than Fields, since he can be a perimeter shooter that also can handle the ball a little bit.

I really don't see where Fields fits in from a potential minutes perspective unless Wilson Chandler is traded and that's assuming he can be productive.

The Knicks really should have gone big, whether it was Gani Lawal or Hamady N'diaye with at least one of the picks. I also would have taken a chance on Willie Warren considering their need at the point and his ability to play off the ball while defending opposing points in a role similar to Toney Douglas.

Darington Hobson undoubtedly was their targeted player and he was taken with the 37th overall pick.

Andy Rautins, 38th
Landry Fields, 39th


Grade for New York: D

Read more: http://www.realgmbasketball.net/src_feature_pieces/929/20100625/grading_the_draft_2010_edition/#ixzz0rmFSMhxZ

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6/25/2010  6:33 AM
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6/25/2010  6:35 AM
firefly wrote:As in teaching, those who can, work for the NBA and teams, and those who can't, commentate and denigrate.

Dude, I am a teacher and very good at what I do. I also am a sports fan and I can tell you that this draft was messed up by the Knicks.
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6/25/2010  7:54 AM

Going to make JJ Redick look like Larry Bird.


Not that I was expecting much except to maybe package our picks to try to move up - even just a little - to pick a prospect that has a chance to be on an NBA roster.

Now, if any of these three are on our roster, let alone getting minutes next year, then you know we got ruined in the offseason, and you can bet our roster will be a re-signed-max-david-lee + a re-signed Harrington + the rest of the crew we already watched suck for so long.

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6/25/2010  8:05 AM
Assuming we're successful and we sign Lebron and Bosh, what did we still need? Size and a PG.

Where we picked, why not grab a couple of 7 footers, roll the dice and hope one turns into a serviceable role player capable of filling the middle of our defense & giving up 6 fouls?

Instead, we drafted a pair of guys that in all likelihood won't stick.
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6/25/2010  8:07 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
firefly wrote:As in teaching, those who can, work for the NBA and teams, and those who can't, commentate and denigrate.

Dude, I am a teacher and very good at what I do. I also am a sports fan and I can tell you that this draft was messed up by the Knicks.

I'm also a teacher also, (and a coach), and I can't say that I wasn't shocked by our picks, but given the emphasis we now put on data in the NYC system, I will have to wait for some "data"- in the form of SL and pre-season play, before writing off these picks as complete foolishness.

I will say this, though- it is obvious that MDA wants a team with some brains on the floor, and both of these guys are smart ballplayers from everything I have read about them. As for our other need- strength in the middle- If we do pick up a Bosh, for example, and the Jordan trade is legit, we add some strength up front, which is what this team really seems to need at this point, add a great shooter in Rautins, and a nice combo SG/SF in Landry (they will undoubtedly try him at SG, IMO).

As was the case with Gallo- you have to wait before making a final judgment, but I, for one, can't get upset if anyone chooses to trash this draft because Walsh's picks were so unexpected given what we had heard in the days leading up to the draft.

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6/25/2010  8:11 AM
franco12 wrote:Assuming we're successful and we sign Lebron and Bosh, what did we still need? Size and a PG.

Where we picked, why not grab a couple of 7 footers, roll the dice and hope one turns into a serviceable role player capable of filling the middle of our defense & giving up 6 fouls?

Instead, we drafted a pair of guys that in all likelihood won't stick.

Agree, and disagree.

I expected some size, but we may be getting Jordan, and Zoubec is still out there.

I think Walsh expects Rautins and Fields to stick. They are not starter material, but both offer some things to a team, even if they do their thing in limited minutes.

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6/25/2010  9:42 AM
it was a horrible draft by the knicks. no denying that.
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6/25/2010  9:56 AM
crzymdups wrote:it was a horrible draft by the knicks. no denying that.

Eh. On everyone's lineup projection cards, all of the 2nd rd spots were placeholders anyway. Its not to say you should throw away picks, but both players are and are intended to be end of the bench players. Rautins can cover the 2 or the 1 in a pinch, Landry can play 3 and a little 4. From 2010 on, D'antoni is going to use a 7 or 8 man rotation:

MAX FA
MAX FA
[CURRY'S REPLACEMENT]
GALLO
CHANDLER
DOUGLAS
WALKER

So, they really could have put a guy like Gani Lawal in D-league, and Lance Stephenson has the potential to make them look dumb (he really woun't have fit in the 'system' anyway but I wanted to draft him and Jerome Jordan though). And I think not stepping up to get Whiteside is a mistake. I won't give them a full pass, but the liklihood is that this draft won't effect the plan for next year and now they have mature, high bball IQ players at the end of the bench. I think this guy Landry might surprise us a little, even if he wasn't the "best" choice.

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6/25/2010  9:58 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
crzymdups wrote:it was a horrible draft by the knicks. no denying that.

Eh. On everyone's lineup projection cards, all of the 2nd rd spots were placeholders anyway. Its not to say you should throw away picks, but both players are and are intended to be end of the bench players. Rautins can cover the 2 or the 1 in a pinch, Landry can play 3 and a little 4. From 2010 on, D'antoni is going to use a 7 or 8 man rotation:

MAX FA
MAX FA
[CURRY'S REPLACEMENT]
GALLO
CHANDLER
DOUGLAS
WALKER

So, they really could have put a guy like Gani Lawal in D-league, and Lance Stephenson has the potential to make them look dumb (he really woun't have fit in the 'system' anyway but I wanted to draft him and Jerome Jordan though). And I think not stepping up to get Whiteside is a mistake. I won't give them a full pass, but the liklihood is that this draft won't effect the plan for next year and now they have mature, high bball IQ players at the end of the bench. I think this guy Landry might surprise us a little, even if he wasn't the "best" choice.

Landry seems to be able to play the 2/3, not the 4. Only saw 1 clip of him, reminds me of Courtney Lee.

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6/25/2010  10:02 AM
I keep thinking about how unimpressive Raja Bell and Diaw were but they fit into the picture very well. You can't always judge a role players value within a system by how big a name they had in college. It was a shock that they didn't pick guys we all expected but I'm gonna wait and see what they look like and who else they bring in.

It seems they put a premium on BB IQ and overall teamwork skills. Guys that can and will share the ball and fit into a team concept when you have stars.
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6/25/2010  10:04 AM
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
crzymdups wrote:it was a horrible draft by the knicks. no denying that.

Eh. On everyone's lineup projection cards, all of the 2nd rd spots were placeholders anyway. Its not to say you should throw away picks, but both players are and are intended to be end of the bench players. Rautins can cover the 2 or the 1 in a pinch, Landry can play 3 and a little 4. From 2010 on, D'antoni is going to use a 7 or 8 man rotation:

MAX FA
MAX FA
[CURRY'S REPLACEMENT]
GALLO
CHANDLER
DOUGLAS
WALKER

So, they really could have put a guy like Gani Lawal in D-league, and Lance Stephenson has the potential to make them look dumb (he really woun't have fit in the 'system' anyway but I wanted to draft him and Jerome Jordan though). And I think not stepping up to get Whiteside is a mistake. I won't give them a full pass, but the liklihood is that this draft won't effect the plan for next year and now they have mature, high bball IQ players at the end of the bench. I think this guy Landry might surprise us a little, even if he wasn't the "best" choice.

Landry seems to be able to play the 2/3, not the 4. Only saw 1 clip of him, reminds me of Courtney Lee.

Hmmm, maybe you're right. Reminded me a little of Shane Battier.

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6/25/2010  11:22 AM
nixluva wrote:I keep thinking about how unimpressive Raja Bell and Diaw were but they fit into the picture very well. You can't always judge a role players value within a system by how big a name they had in college. It was a shock that they didn't pick guys we all expected but I'm gonna wait and see what they look like and who else they bring in.

It seems they put a premium on BB IQ and overall teamwork skills. Guys that can and will share the ball and fit into a team concept when you have stars.

I sure hope this "system" that's talked about has legs. Leaving better players on the board is like leaving money on the table. Randle would have been the perfect PG in this system. Not only was he undrafted, word is the Wizards have locked him up for SL.

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6/25/2010  11:25 AM
Who should they have picked?
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6/25/2010  12:24 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round and get:

1) Hassan Whiteside
2) Armon Johnson
3) Darington Hobson

at least they got Jerome Jordan, he would have been 4th on that list.

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6/25/2010  12:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  12:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round


If they couldn't move up, who should they have picked at 38 and 39?

I'd probably have gone with Warren and Jordan.

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6/25/2010  12:33 PM
funny... we got a Grade D+ when we drafted Gallo
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6/25/2010  12:36 PM
kam77 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:Who should they have picked?

i think they should have done everything in their power to move up in the second round


If they couldn't move up, who should they have picked at 38 and 39?

I'd probably have gone with Warren and Jordan.

I liked Jarvis Varnado, Lance Stephenson and Solomon Alabi.

Like I said, very glad we got Jerome Jordan.

Landry Fields looks like he could be solid.

I will never understand the Andy Rautins pick. He looks like that dude Donnie Walsh signed in summer league after he hit some threes in practice... what the heck was his name? Anthony Roberson!

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6/25/2010  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2010  12:38 PM
i think we should have traded up for Whiteside & i can't believe we passed on Jarvis Varnado & Gani Lawal to draft a 3 pt. shooter... fukkin' par for the course... i don't think this kid Fields is a bad pick tho, but Rautins? i woulda been OK if they'd taken Lance Stephenson too instead of a 1 dimensional shooter.
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