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CrushAlot
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6/23/2010  10:43 PM
Hobson is the same age as Chandler. He is not projected as a first round pick on the mocks I have been watching. The Knicks appear poised to let everyone know what they want to do and give up way too much to try and do it. Also, in my opinion there are a lot of guys with more upside than Hobson that should fall to when the Knicks pick.
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6/23/2010  10:53 PM
what are you basing this on? his age?
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6/23/2010  11:03 PM
nyk4ever wrote:what are you basing this on? his age?

I am ok if the Knicks don't move up and take him in the first round and grab him at 38 but I think there will be better players or players with more upside available (i.e. Willie Warren, Terrico White, Lance Stephenson). If the Knicks move Chandler who is the same age to get him then I think it is a huge mistake. Chandler is an NBA starter who averaged 15 and 5 last year. I don't think you move the most accomplished guy on your roster to get a guy who should be available in the second round. I also am worried that the Knicks will follow their pattern of making known their goal and over compensate other teams in an attempt to achieve it.
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6/23/2010  11:44 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:what are you basing this on? his age?

I am ok if the Knicks don't move up and take him in the first round and grab him at 38 but I think there will be better players or players with more upside available (i.e. Willie Warren, Terrico White, Lance Stephenson). If the Knicks move Chandler who is the same age to get him then I think it is a huge mistake. Chandler is an NBA starter who averaged 15 and 5 last year. I don't think you move the most accomplished guy on your roster to get a guy who should be available in the second round. I also am worried that the Knicks will follow their pattern of making known their goal and over compensate other teams in an attempt to achieve it.

Not sure I would go by the Mocks that are out there.

Also not sure that "upside" is the biggest priority- although none of us really know what Hobson's upside is. I tend to put faith in how the Knicks see him- Walsh and MDA and seen him a number of times, including a tryout with the Nets, from what I understand. They also saw him look very good against Stephenson, a very mature (physically( 19 year old who many around here like. Hobson is more polished than Stephenson and White, from what I have read, and Willie Warren has shown very little when I have seen him the past 2 years.

They are looking for a smart player who can fit into the rotation now, not in 3 years. Even around the time we drafted Hill last year, you heard the word "raw" used to describe him. You are not going to see the Knicks take a non-center who can be considered "raw," at this point. They obviously see Hobson as a rotation ready guy from the start- and a guy who can probably play at 2 & 3, and even bring the ball up the court at times.

If one of the bigs who people like falls to the position where we have a 1st Rnd agreement, I might want one of them, but I could live with the Knicks picking most of the guys who have been mentioned- Brackins, Hobson, Johnson, and to a lesser extent Vasquez.

I do hope that Walsh can buy some more 2s, but who knows what he is thinking on that matter.

Should be an interesting day, tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

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6/24/2010  12:37 AM
Paladin55 wrote:Should be an interesting day, tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

My thoughts exactly

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6/24/2010  12:50 AM
Say no to Fernandez
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/24/2010  1:35 AM
kam77 wrote:Say no to Fernandez

I agree. Say no to backup guards on Portland!

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6/24/2010  7:26 AM
If Hobson averaged 15 and 5 and played good defense we would all think he is amazing... well that is what chandler is doing so I dont see a point in trading him especially considering Hobson is not going to be as good this year
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6/24/2010  7:45 AM
good defense, great rebounder, good size... if they looked at him 3 times and like him its probably because they think he will be an NBA player.

We need rotation guys, and rotation guys right away. Being older and more mature is a positive for the Knicks in this draft. 19 year olds arent going to help us

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6/24/2010  9:28 AM
If Hobson comes, we're moving Chandler. Lots of folks don't wanna do that. Especially not for Rudy Fernandez.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/24/2010  9:31 AM
In the second round it's all a reach. But I'm not real high on anyone they currently are rumored to target. And Zoubek should be no higher than a 50-60 pick
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6/24/2010  9:44 AM
I see Hobson as a playmaking SG not a SF. I think Hobson and Chandler could co-exist. Hobson would probably make Chandler better.
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6/24/2010  9:50 AM
i like hobson. i would gladly purchase pick 25/28 to select him.

less excited about giving up chandler for him.

i agree that they are different players with different skill sets.

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6/24/2010  9:54 AM
Hobson is the polar opposite of Chandler. Chandler is an uber athletic scorer with a raw basketball IQ that needs the ball. Hobson isn't as athletic but his smarts seem to make up for it. Both guys fit next to Lebron. Chandler if Lebron is a facilitator, Hobson if Lebron is a scorer.

I see it as Hobson being a Brandon Roy type and Chandler as a Vincent Carter type.

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6/24/2010  10:15 AM
joec32033 wrote:Hobson is the polar opposite of Chandler. Chandler is an uber athletic scorer with a raw basketball IQ that needs the ball. Hobson isn't as athletic but his smarts seem to make up for it. Both guys fit next to Lebron. Chandler if Lebron is a facilitator, Hobson if Lebron is a scorer.

I see it as Hobson being a Brandon Roy type and Chandler as a Vincent Carter type.

Where do we get our Dwight Howard type?

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6/24/2010  10:23 AM
crzymdups wrote:i like hobson. i would gladly purchase pick 25/28 to select him.

less excited about giving up chandler for him.

i agree that they are different players with different skill sets.

Hobson would be a great defensive wing. He was a great rebounder also. He would be a good SG in our offense.

Not every guy has to plug into the starting line up. We need rotation guys. We have 4 players under contract and one of them is Eddy Curry

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6/24/2010  10:27 AM
Panos wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Hobson is the polar opposite of Chandler. Chandler is an uber athletic scorer with a raw basketball IQ that needs the ball. Hobson isn't as athletic but his smarts seem to make up for it. Both guys fit next to Lebron. Chandler if Lebron is a facilitator, Hobson if Lebron is a scorer.

I see it as Hobson being a Brandon Roy type and Chandler as a Vincent Carter type.

Where do we get our Dwight Howard type?

LoL! Yeah...I meant style of play but we already have our Dwight Howard type. Didn't you hear? Eddy Curry lost weight(again)!

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6/24/2010  10:29 AM
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i like hobson. i would gladly purchase pick 25/28 to select him.

less excited about giving up chandler for him.

i agree that they are different players with different skill sets.

Hobson would be a great defensive wing. He was a great rebounder also. He would be a good SG in our offense.

Not every guy has to plug into the starting line up. We need rotation guys. We have 4 players under contract and one of them is Eddy Curry

bill walker is still under contract and it seems they intend to keep him. so, that's 5. 4 real guys.

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6/24/2010  10:39 AM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i like hobson. i would gladly purchase pick 25/28 to select him.

less excited about giving up chandler for him.

i agree that they are different players with different skill sets.

Hobson would be a great defensive wing. He was a great rebounder also. He would be a good SG in our offense.

Not every guy has to plug into the starting line up. We need rotation guys. We have 4 players under contract and one of them is Eddy Curry

bill walker is still under contract and it seems they intend to keep him. so, that's 5. 4 real guys.

agreed, and he looked good. He's a solid player, and he's smart. Being a versatile wing in MDA's system is going to get you paid. Glad to see he's getting into great shape and looking to be an impact player next year.
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6/24/2010  11:03 AM
kam77 wrote:If Hobson comes, we're moving Chandler. Lots of folks don't wanna do that. Especially not for Rudy Fernandez.

The only reason we trade Chandler for Rudy is to get that extra $1mil so that we don't mess up on keeping Walker. Chandler is redundant for us once we sign Lebron. He's definitely a terrific NBA player, but we do have to handle our salary cap wisely. I am not into getting Rudy either, but he is young, can shoot, can defend, can set guys up. He doesn't shoot the 3's, which is an issue, but Walker can hit them with some regularity.

Tonight is the beginning of the future. It's going to be a great ride.

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