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6/23/2010  1:34 PM
Blazers Guard Sparks Knicks’ Interest
By JONATHAN ABRAMS
The Knicks have engaged in trade discussions with the Portland Trail Blazers in hopes of prying guard Rudy Fernandez, according to an N.B.A. executive.

In the past, Fernandez has voiced displeasure over his role with Portland. The Knicks are on the verge of a free agency they hope will vastly restock their team and have long been interested in Fernandez.

If the talks proceed, the Knicks will most likely part with Wilson Chandler or Toney Douglas.

Another league executive said Fernandez was available but Portland was hoping to land a draft selection with any trade that he is involved in. As of now, the Knicks hold only the 38th and 39th picks, in the second round.

Fernandez averaged 8.1 points and 2.6 rebounds last season.

The Spanish news site Marca recently reported that Fernandez had signed a three-year deal with Real Madrid, pending a buyout from the Trail Blazers. Fernandez denied the report in an article by Sportando, saying: “I laughed when I read the news on Marca. I am still a Portland Trail Blazers player.”

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/blazers-guard-sparks-knicks-interest/

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6/23/2010  1:39 PM
would love to be able to get rudy for only draft selection, but i think that's a dream. i think he has a ton of potential and i know it hasn't been realized in portland, but i think this guy could be really good. d'antoni might just be what he needs.
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6/23/2010  1:43 PM
i like rudy, but i remember we said the same thing about sergio rodriguez...
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6/23/2010  1:44 PM
Rudy Fernandez is overrated. No way I'd trade either Wilson Chandler or Toney Douglas for him.
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6/23/2010  2:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2010  3:42 PM
I can see the attraction and have even pushed for the Knicks to acquire him in the past. I know Donnie & MDA have been interested in this guy for some time now..When right, this dude's very athletic with a terrific handle, very good passing skills and a lethal outside jumper. He's still young, his contract's extremely manageable for the next few seasons and he'd definitely fit right into what Mike wants to do here eventually. All pluses.. The myriad of injuries he suffered last year have got to give you pause though, esp. that bad back. I mean is he fully healed? He did make it back in April and for the playoffs, even putting up 16 pts. in one game against PHX (5-6 from 3). Very talented player -- even though the numbers don't look good career-wise so far (esp. last year), I think he's fully capable of putting up much better numbers in the right situation, somewhere where he could be the starting 2 and get himself 30-35 mins a game and 15 shots a game. I don't think Portland is the best situation for him anymore --- Roy's their main guy and plays the same position, they have another young shooter in Webster who's not going anywhere and other guys like Batum and Bayless really stepped it up last year when guys were hurt and may have both passed Rudy by in the rotation out there...I'm interested but only up to a point -- it depends on several things: Is he 100% healthy? What do they want from us? Do they want Chandler (another guy who always seems to be hurt btw), Toney Douglas or do they expect us to acquire a 1 and then flip it for Rudy? Don't know if I'd do that (if we acquire a 1, esp. someting mid-20s or higher, I might just want to trust Donnie and Mike's judgement and let them use it on the player they like in this draft, whether it's Hobson, Brackins or whoever else)...Could this be part of some S&T involving Lee? Not sure, they just re-signed Camby and will be getting other bigs back healthy next year..I might be interested in something like Fernandez and Paddy Mills for Chandler though. Mills played quite well in a couple of D-League stints for the Blazers, putting up some big-time numbers..I don't really know if Mills ever gets a shot in Portland. He's behind Andre Miller, Roy handles the ball a lot anyway, Bayless made nice progress last year in a combo role and now the Blazers are said to be interested in Mo Williams..Interesting rumor..
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6/23/2010  2:19 PM
Pass next, How do you even think about trading for Fernandez unless there is someone else involved in the trade. Wilson is IMHO more proven than Fernandez. Douglass is already better than him no thank you to this deal.
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6/23/2010  2:23 PM
Wait... are Rudy Fernandez and Sergio Rodrigez different people? Didnt we just have that guy?
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6/23/2010  2:31 PM
didn't you just post this in another thread?
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6/23/2010  2:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2010  2:44 PM
If he's healthy and the price isn't too crazy, I'm interested. Think about if LeBron had a healthy Rudy Fernandez next to him out there last season playing 30-35 mins instead of Anthony Parker...Parker's actually not a bad shooter himself but I think with that same amount of minutes, Rudy Fernandez gives you an even better shooter, a much better athlete and much more production than Parker...10 years younger than Parker as well...

Here's what Alan Hahn has to say on the subject:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055/knicks-inquire-about-rudy-fernandez-1.2047577

Though most indications are the Knicks won't be part of any Draft Night blockbusters, they are checking in on the availability -- and cost -- of several players that might become targets after July 1. The most recent name we've heard about today is Trail Blazers guard Rudy Fernandez.

The New York Times first reported that the Knicks have had discussions with the Blazers about Fernandez on its basketball blog earlier today. Newsday confirmed it with a league source, who said the Knicks "are interested" in Fernandez. It is unclear if the deal, which would likely involve a swap of forward Wilson Chandler, could be done on draft night.

The players aren't an even match of salaries, so a one-for-one would actually save the Knicks some salary cap space. Fernandez is scheduled to make $1.2M next season and Chandler is at $2.1M. The near $1M difference in salary is something the Blazers can absorb under their cap and might be willing to, considering the fact that Chandler gives them more athleticism and defense and rids them of the unhappy Fernandez.

For the Knicks, along with the $900K in cap savings, which, if the trade was done on draft night, could allow them to move up into the first round to ensure landing one of their top targets -- Craig Brackins, Jordan Crawford and Armon Johnson, among others. A first-round pick counts against the cap, which would cost the Knicks valuable space before July 1.

Fernandez, a high-flying Spaniard, had a terrific start to his rookie season, but then tailed off because of back issues. He struggled under taskmaster Nate MacMillan and often simmered in frustration as a bench player and even openly discussed a desire to be traded. When he did get the opportunity to start in the playoffs after Brandon Roy's injury, however, Fernandez was underwhelming.

The thought is his effectiveness in an uptempo game could make him a good fit in Mike D'Antoni's system. Fernandez has longed to play in New York and could be rejuvenated by the move. But there's no question the 25-year-old needs to be more dedicated to his conditioning and take care of his body better than he has to date.

Meanwhile, on other fronts....

* - In the midst of all the speculation about Chris Paul, who, himself, admitted he'd be open to a trade if the Hornets weren't planning to be a championship contender, Hornets owner George Shinn released a statement that said Paul was the cornerstone of the franchise.

Via New Orleans Times-Picayune:

"We are about building and sustaining a winning tradition. Chris Paul is the cornerstone of our franchise and brings us unequaled support on and off the court. We will continue to build around Chris Paul, and we want to see him in a Hornets uniform for the remainder of his career. We have an exciting future, and with the leadershipo of our new head coach and players like Chris Paul, we know the best is yet to come. We plan to take advantage of any opportunities to improve our team."

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Interesting take, Chandler for Rudy straight up. Just put it through the Realgm trade checker and it works. It would save us almost another million bucks that we could allocate toward the draft. Maybe that would be more beneficial to us than Chandler for Fernandez/Mills. Either scenario sounds appealing to me....Check out the end of the article -- looks like Chris Paul isn't going anywhere...
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6/23/2010  3:06 PM

I agree with a poster in this topic, I wouldnt deal Wilson Chandler nor Toney D. for this Fernandez
guy its too much to give up. If Rudy was a pure PG whom can pressure the ball on both ends of the court then perhaps consider it. They compare him with SPURs Ginobulli which is kinda high praise.

Think at this stage Chandler and Douglas is a little better all-around players than the skilled
Rudy which seems one dimensional since he doesnt board nor pressures the opposition.

However just the kind of player MDA would push for
exciting offensive type PG/SG who can move to spots and hit jumpers. Nice smooth release

Nothing matters to MDA beside offensively gifted players whom Rudy is and been in league
what 3 yrs ? since 2007. To MDA it doesnt matter that Rudy is a poor rebounder for his
height/size and below avg defender.

Just what we need for MDA type of game plan.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/players/rudy-fernandez

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6/23/2010  3:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2010  3:09 PM
I would pull the trigger on Chandler/Douglas and cash for Rudy and a pick
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6/23/2010  3:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2010  3:20 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I would pull the trigger on Chandler/Douglas and cash for Rudy and a pick

I dont mind doing some deal for Rudy. I also agree a pick draft would be enticing.
All in all I don't feel Rudy is kind of player yet that gonna make Stars in NBA come
over to NY and play with the Knicks.

We need a stud or upcoming PG whether existing or draft (next yr? 2011)
I dont see Rudy as a top 10 PG. You win in league with stars and good PGs.

My point is Rudy perhaps a little better ? than Douglas? Sure more a PG than Toney
Is he alot of improvements to make difference among team roster ? I dont know about
that Rudy offensively will help NY.

I do not feel you can win in here (NY) would an offensive type PG.
You look at the once heralded Stephon Marbury whom you can't compare Rudy with.
Sure Marbs F_#@$@ up but he passed and was as offensive a PG as NY ever had.

Rudy got to have more in his game than Shooting jumpers. MDA likes his game is
the guy whom pushes this type of deal. It doesnt matter to MDA that his 6' 6 PG
don't rebound, cant defend smaller or legit PGs or similar.

All MDA wants is some run and jump shooter skinny type players to fit his scheme.

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6/23/2010  3:16 PM
i'd rather use Wilson or Toney to get Armon Johnson or Darington Hobson or something. I don't love Rudy.
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6/23/2010  3:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:i'd rather use Wilson or Toney to get Armon Johnson or Darington Hobson or something. I don't love Rudy.

agree
Rudy aint bad but even with more playing time on Knicks as a starter I dont see the rest of
entire NBA going after Rudy as their guard as if Fernandez is some hotshot unproven commodity.
Must be a reason

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DJMUSIC wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would pull the trigger on Chandler/Douglas and cash for Rudy and a pick

I dont mind doing some deal for Rudy. I also agree a pick draft would be enticing.
All in all I don't feel Rudy is kind of player yet that gonna make Stars in NBA come
over to NY and play with the Knicks.

We need a stud or upcoming PG whether existing or draft (next yr? 2011)
I dont see Rudy as a top 10 PG. You win in league with stars and good PGs.

My point is Rudy perhaps a little better ? than Douglas? Sure more a PG than Toney
Is he alot of improvements to make difference among team roster ? I dont know about
that Rudy offensively will help NY.

I do not feel you can win in here (NY) would an offensive type PG.
You look at the once heralded Stephon Marbury whom you can't compare Rudy with.
Sure Marbs F_#@$@ up but he passed and was as offensive a PG as NY ever had.

Rudy got to have more in his game than Shooting jumpers. MDA likes his game is
the guy whom pushes this type of deal. It doesnt matter to MDA that his 6' 6 PG
don't rebound, cant defend smaller or legit PGs or similar.

All MDA wants is some run and jump shooter skinny type players to fit his scheme.

I see Rudy as a 2. I'd prefer to hang onto Douglas, even though Chandler is more valuable, because Rudy is a playmaking 2 and Douglas is a scoring 1.

Douglas/Rudy/LBJ/Bosh/Whiteside(?)

bench: Gallo, Walker, whoever

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DJMUSIC wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would pull the trigger on Chandler/Douglas and cash for Rudy and a pick

I dont mind doing some deal for Rudy. I also agree a pick draft would be enticing.
All in all I don't feel Rudy is kind of player yet that gonna make Stars in NBA come
over to NY and play with the Knicks.

We need a stud or upcoming PG whether existing or draft (next yr? 2011)
I dont see Rudy as a top 10 PG. You win in league with stars and good PGs.

My point is Rudy perhaps a little better ? than Douglas? Sure more a PG than Toney
Is he alot of improvements to make difference among team roster ? I dont know about
that Rudy offensively will help NY.

I do not feel you can win in here (NY) would an offensive type PG.
You look at the once heralded Stephon Marbury whom you can't compare Rudy with.
Sure Marbs F_#@$@ up but he passed and was as offensive a PG as NY ever had.

Rudy got to have more in his game than Shooting jumpers. MDA likes his game is
the guy whom pushes this type of deal. It doesnt matter to MDA that his 6' 6 PG
don't rebound, cant defend smaller or legit PGs or similar.

All MDA wants is some run and jump shooter skinny type players to fit his scheme.

I see Rudy as a 2. I'd prefer to hang onto Douglas, even though Chandler is more valuable, because Rudy is a playmaking 2 and Douglas is a scoring 1.

Douglas/Rudy/LBJ/Bosh/Whiteside(?)

bench: Gallo, Walker, whoever

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6/23/2010  3:25 PM
I think walsh is looking to buy a 1st round draft pick, the saving the knicks get by dealing for rudy with chandler would be around 1.1M which is around the cap hold of a late first rounder, still leaves room for 2 max + some small change which might turn out to be walker & barron...
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SupremeCommander wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I would pull the trigger on Chandler/Douglas and cash for Rudy and a pick

I dont mind doing some deal for Rudy. I also agree a pick draft would be enticing.
All in all I don't feel Rudy is kind of player yet that gonna make Stars in NBA come
over to NY and play with the Knicks.

We need a stud or upcoming PG whether existing or draft (next yr? 2011)
I dont see Rudy as a top 10 PG. You win in league with stars and good PGs.

My point is Rudy perhaps a little better ? than Douglas? Sure more a PG than Toney
Is he alot of improvements to make difference among team roster ? I dont know about
that Rudy offensively will help NY.

I do not feel you can win in here (NY) would an offensive type PG.
You look at the once heralded Stephon Marbury whom you can't compare Rudy with.
Sure Marbs F_#@$@ up but he passed and was as offensive a PG as NY ever had.

Rudy got to have more in his game than Shooting jumpers. MDA likes his game is
the guy whom pushes this type of deal. It doesnt matter to MDA that his 6' 6 PG
don't rebound, cant defend smaller or legit PGs or similar.

All MDA wants is some run and jump shooter skinny type players to fit his scheme.

I see Rudy as a 2. I'd prefer to hang onto Douglas, even though Chandler is more valuable, because Rudy is a playmaking 2 and Douglas is a scoring 1.

Douglas/Rudy/LBJ/Bosh/Whiteside(?)

bench: Gallo, Walker, whoever

That lineup you mentioned above aint bad changeover for our Knicks. You mention also Rudy as SG
If we can at least hold on to rook Toney Douglas whom made great strides I'd rather part with
Wilson to Blazers only if the Blazers give us draft pick back in deal.

Chandler right now is BETTER than Rudy. Dont wanna go through giving up the store to another guy
whom isnt yet what we need.

Problem I have with Rudy as SG play maker type is Rudy isnt the defender Ginobulli is on defender
end of court and its Manu whom Rudy is compared to.

One of Knicks guards OR both gotta play D. Toney is undersized and at least sometimes Chandler would
play defense as a SG. We cant go into season having no one (PG, SG, C, F, PF) playing poor defense
or we'll have another long season under MDA.

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6/23/2010  3:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2010  3:35 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:
However just the kind of player MDA would push for
exciting offensive type PG/SG who can move to spots and hit jumpers. Nice smooth release

Nothing matters to MDA beside offensively gifted players whom Rudy is and been in league
what 3 yrs ? since 2007. To MDA it doesnt matter that Rudy is a poor rebounder for his
height/size and below avg defender.

Just what we need for MDA type of game plan.
Fernandez file(s)
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/rudy-fernandez

I wouldn't say that MDA only cares about offensive skills for his players. I think also that in the case of a SG rebounding isn't that big of a deal. Do you realize that Allan Houston at his best season avg'd 3.7 rebs and was actually at 2.9 for his career in only about 24 mpg. All this while playing about 35 mpg. Rudy has avg'd 2.7 so far in his career. I think the guy is a bit frail, but there's more to playing SG than pure strength.

One thing that you can be sure of and that is that MDA's system works best when you have multiple players on the floor who can think the game like a PG and make quick decisions with the ball and hit the open man. He doesn't really want the ball to stop and give a defense a chance to get set. He wants the defense on it's heels. That's how you make a team that plays with high efficiency like his teams have been in the past. When your team shoots 50% you have a really good chance to win almost every night.
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nixluva wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:
However just the kind of player MDA would push for
exciting offensive type PG/SG who can move to spots and hit jumpers. Nice smooth release

Nothing matters to MDA beside offensively gifted players whom Rudy is and been in league
what 3 yrs ? since 2007. To MDA it doesnt matter that Rudy is a poor rebounder for his
height/size and below avg defender.

Just what we need for MDA type of game plan.
Fernandez file(s)
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/rudy-fernandez

I wouldn't say that MDA only cares about offensive skills for his players. I think also that in the case of a SG rebounding isn't that big of a deal. Do you realize that Allan Houston at his best season avg'd 3.7 rebs and was actually at 2.9 for his career in only about 24 mpg. All this while playing about 35 mpg. Rudy has avg'd 2.7 so far in his career. I think the guy is a bit frail, but there's more to playing SG than pure strength.

One thing that you can be sure of and that is that MDA's system works best when you have multiple players on the floor who can think the game like a PG and make quick decisions with the ball and hit the open man. He doesn't really want the ball to stop and give a defense a chance to get set. He wants the defense on it's heels. That's how you make a team that plays with high efficiency like his teams have been in the past. When your team shoots 50% you have a really good chance to win almost every night.

I still believe MDA only cares most offensive type guys much more than defenders.
As far as Allan Houston he played on Good and poor knick teams and I would never
compare Rudy F to H20 despite these stats given. H20 had success in league prior
to knick days and Rudy isnt close to H20

No comparison no no nope!

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