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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/19/2010 1:01 AM LAST EDITED: 6/19/2010 1:02 AM
Remember he is 6-7 RIP Crushalot😞
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Paladin55
Posts: 24321 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/6/2008 Member: #2098 |
6/19/2010 4:13 AM
For making judgments of his character:
http://www.myspace.com/buttagotgame/music/playlists http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums&friendID=97821622 No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/19/2010 9:11 AM LAST EDITED: 6/19/2010 9:12 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:BRIGGS wrote: Jees he would be a nice pick for the Knicks if they could get him--he's like an evan turner lite--who wouldnt like a 6-7 guy who honestly could play legit PG. I think he may be the sleeper who goes a tad higher than projected--but we''l see. Someone is going to fall to us. Tells you that this draft is deep and possibly very good. RIP Crushalot😞
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
6/19/2010 9:45 AM
Nice find on the video Briggs...I wish I saw this kid during the year, I never did
 ... Too bad because I definitely would've enjoyed watching him play. Dude looks like a really nice all-around performer..Just going by the reports & some video, he kinda reminds me of a left-handed Brandon Roy -- a guy around 6'6"+ that's long, maybe not that ultra athletic type necessarily but looks really sound in all areas -- can score/decent enough shooter (needs to get a little better and he will -- if nothing else, he should improve just getting shots up in a Mike D'Antoni offense where guys Mike trusts have the continual green light, and we have Allan Houston around to work with shooters-a huge plus for us imo), penetrator, very good rebounder...For most guys that's enough right there but then you have these other versatility elements as well: can handle it very well, good passer, obvious plus court vision, drive and kick, a guy that can work a pick and roll, high looking B-Ball IQ...When you get done looking at this guy, you really start to marvel at the overall package...Plus he's lefty which I like and I think makes him even more special (you don't always see a lefty coming)...Mike's had 3 looks at this guy now (one time in Jersey where he supposedly ate up Stanley Robinson and two times up close in his own workouts).He obviosly likes him and I can definitely see the attraction..He's a real stat stuffer that put up excellent numbers across the board in what amounted to his 1st season playing NCAA D1 ball despite being a junior. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36419) I mean you don't see too many guys in their first year at the top level in college put up 16, 5 & 9.5 rebounds...Imagine what he would've done next year at New Mexico for an encore if he went back..Quite a few guys come to mind besides Roy actually -- lefties Jalen Rose, Toni Koukoc...even a little Scottie Pippen -- Pippen was around the same size (maybe a little more athletic) with the same all-around game, even some of the same limitations (Pippen was never a great outside shooter nor was he a good FT shooter). Like Pippen, Hobson isn't terrible in these areas though and I think he'll improve. Looks quite similar to Luke Babbitt too, maybe not as good a shooter, and Babbitt's projected top go much higher..Definitely interested in this guy, all for taking a chance on a guy with this type of versatility..Problem is I think other teams are interested as well -- from what I've read, I think the Magic are very interested at 29, maybe even Jersey at 27 (if D'Antoni came away impressed seeing Hopson at that Jersey workout, you better believe the Nets were as well)...Nice to hear we're now trying to trade up to get Oklahoma's pick at 26 -- it might take a move like that to land this kid and leapfrog these other two clubs..I know they like Craig Brackins since the beginning of the whole workout process, but this kid might make more sense...I can see the attraction with Brackins as well but Hopson might prove to be the better all-around player..If they really want that type of offensive player to replace Harrington, instead of Brackins go get Tenn's Wayne Chism who should be available much lower. They're very similar..I think D'Antoni would love Chism.. |
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Paladin55
Posts: 24321 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/6/2008 Member: #2098 |
6/19/2010 10:08 AM
BRIGGS wrote: This is true, but if Donnie really falls in love with someone, I hope he is proactive and buys a late 1st to get the guy we want. He has seen a lot of folks, and we are not even counting the Euros he saw when he went overseas. I also like the idea of buying a few extra #2s, drafting a Euro not quite ready (a Pleiss type), and letting them grow in Europe if they can't make our squad. Hobson seems like a pretty complete player- 4.6 APG, and over 9 RPG, and a decent % from the 3pt line. One flag from DExp, though: Defensively, Hobson puts a solid effort in and appears to be fairly smart, but is unfortunately limited by his average physical tools. Spending heavy minutes at the power forward position, Hobson has problems guarding the perimeter, as he does not possess great lateral quickness. Maybe that is why they brought him in today with Stephenson, and guy more known for his strength than sheer speed. If Hobson can't stay in front of him on the perimeter it should be a concern, because he is not going to be a PF in the NBA. For this reason alone, I would lean in favor of Torrance if we are looking for a big guard who can handle the ball, but I am not sure he is in the Knick's crosshairs at this point. I would not be unhappy if we landed Hobson, though. He should be able to play the SG and SF positions, and he is supposed to be an intelligent player, something MDA will like. As you say, though...it is a deep draft and we should get some value if we play our cards right. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
6/19/2010 10:58 AM
Paladin55 wrote:BRIGGS wrote: You know what is funny--Im wonder where Mark Jackson wouldve been projected in a year like this? Too slow can't jump can't shoot poor lateral quickness yet he ends up being one of the NBA best PG's of all time. Boy I wouldnt want to go 1-1 with Lance Stephenson---thats what he is made for 6-5 220 with his handle? If he developed a shot and stayed at Cincy he probably would've turned into a lotto pick himself. Three point shooting heck people probably dont remember that Magic did not EVEN attempt 3 pt shots his first 8-9 years. RIP Crushalot😞
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Paladin55
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6/19/2010 11:21 AM
BRIGGS wrote:You know what is funny--Im wonder where Mark Jackson wouldve been projected in a year like this? Too slow can't jump can't shoot poor lateral quickness yet he ends up being one of the NBA best PG's of all time. Boy I wouldnt want to go 1-1 with Lance Stephenson---thats what he is made for 6-5 220 with his handle? If he developed a shot and stayed at Cincy he probably would've turned into a lotto pick himself. Three point shooting heck people probably dont remember that Magic did not EVEN attempt 3 pt shots his first 8-9 years. You are right about Jackson, but unless you are playing in game 7 the other night, a guy like Jackson would have a tough time on the perimeter with today's rules. Being able to get by with a zone D changes things a bit, but think of what we went through with Duhon- why do you think that Jeffries, and then Gallo, had to play on the outside and guard PGs so often? I guess you have to trust the Knicks' brass to understand whether or not Hobson can defend on the perimeter- and I assume that is something they are very aware of. If he defends SGs, he should be OK. Most clips of guys show their offense, or some steals on D- you rarely get to see them for extended periods of time on D, so it is hard to judge them. I actually learned that Gallo had some D ability when his team was torched by someone for about 50 PTs. The clips focussed on the other player (think he actually tried out for the Knicks) but you could see Gallinari a lot, and his lateral movement was not terrible- and it showed me he was probably a better defender than I thought. Maybe Stephenson blows Hobson away today, maybe the older Hobson schools Lance- who knows? But the Knicks have a chance to see them go up against one another in a controlled setting, so they should come away with a good idea of both guys. I think Walsh has done a pretty decent job of bringing guys in for looks, and should have a good idea of what they all can do or not do. The late 1st and early to mid-2nd Rnd is a speculator's dream this year- just hope we buy some extra picks so we can have a better chance of finding a few good prospects. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
6/19/2010 11:37 AM
I hope they can bring in a decent Big man who can be developed. Size is the key Lakers and Celtics showed the way.
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
6/19/2010 1:10 PM
this kid looks solid, good size and nice handle... very interesting prospect..
As far as marc jackson goes, today, with the no handchecking rule, I think mark would be trouble.. remember, when younger and thinner, he still wasn't fast, but was able to penetrate and with his size was able to get into the lane on smaller guards... woudl be intersting to see marc jackson play today.. Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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Paladin55
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6/19/2010 1:51 PM
Vmart wrote:I hope they can bring in a decent Big man who can be developed. Size is the key Lakers and Celtics showed the way. Good size in the late 1st and 2nd- It's the reason I want Walsh to buy some more 2's. Should be a good many rotational quality big men around, and some you may want to keep for developing if that is feasible. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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iSergio
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6/19/2010 5:42 PM
No more SF's, please! We need bigs and PG's.
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Paladin55
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6/20/2010 11:28 AM
Knicks Blog, for what it is worth, said Hobson outplayed Stephenson yesterday, big time.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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BRIGGS
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6/20/2010 11:33 AM
Paladin55 wrote:Knicks Blog, for what it is worth, said Hobson outplayed Stephenson yesterday, big time. If that is true--why would they let it slip? RIP Crushalot😞
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Paladin55
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6/20/2010 6:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Paladin55 wrote:Knicks Blog, for what it is worth, said Hobson outplayed Stephenson yesterday, big time. Maybe one of the other invited players, and not a Knicks' rep, made a comment? You are right, though- doesn't seem like any good reason to let the results slip. No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
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knicks1248
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6/20/2010 8:28 PM
The kid has good instincs, but his dribble, to me, is really high, looks like shawn livingston.
I would have to see him in more then that little clip playing against a squad that didn't even look like the came to play. Looks like a late first rounder ES
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AnubisADL
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6/20/2010 10:46 PM
65% from the FT line I'll pass.
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