We needed him last night, it was obvious even by KVH's most hated critic ( HARDCORE ) lol... The guy has been avg 22 pts & 10 rebs for the last 13 games !!! put those stats in the game & we win by 10 !!! The game against the Bucks was fools gold for those who thought we didn't need him in that one !!! He is our top scorer & rebounder !!! All hate aside you must agree !!! So trading him should be a NO NO !!!!

I agree but KVH wouldn't have helped us yesterday. Micheal Jordan can't help us with Chaney as our coach.

I am not a KVH hater but don't discount defense-at SF he is a defensive liability. At PF his defense is at least adequate and he has shown enough this season to believe he can hit the boards on a consistent basis. I agree he may have made a difference last night playing PF even though give some credit to Othella who played reasonably well.

[Edited by - TheSage on 01/13/2004 10:30:33]

anyone that thinks KVH isnt a good player and cant help a team doesnt know hoops. He's overpaid and disappears late in games and in the playoffs. Thats not a knock, thats the facts.

That aside he's NOT the Howard Eisley of forwards. He's got a clear set of skills, and Layden didnt put players around him that compliment those skills.

KVH is an excellent rebounder in traffic, he's excellent getting garbage points (broken defenses, putbacks, etc.) and he's good at taking advantage of smaller or slower players. He also runs the floor VERY well and can finish on the break.

He's a LOUSY ball handler, a LOUSY creator, isnt good at getting his own shot.

I actually think with Steph and Frank instead of Ward and Eisley KVH will be a great asset for this team. I also like him more at the 4 with Penny or Shandon at the 3 in small line ups because of his speed and inside outside game.

IThomas hasnt just upgraded this roster, he dumped guys that were totally one dimensional (Spoon, Eisley, Ward who I liked, McDyess)and added guys who are more versatile and can play multiple spots in Penny and Marbury.

"We can get a player in return with the skills to fit the skill sets we need on the team."

What skills would those be? A healthy KVH is exactly what this team needs. When this trade first went down I hated it because I KNEW losing Spree's playmaking would cripple this offense more than KVH's size and rebounding would help it.

Now we have 3 wing players in Steph, Frank and Penny that can all run an offense better than any of the guys playing last year, so KVH becomes an important part of this team.

Those skills are:

*Low post offense:
KVH is not the kind of low post threat that can draw double teams, by any stretch of the imagination. We needs someone more versatile down in the low blocks. Solid offensive rebounding and better ballhandling would be pluses. Someone who gets the ball smacked out of his hands or having his dribble picked of is a minus.

*Defense (perimeter and post):
Let's face it. KVH is the weakest link when it comes to defense. How often have we seen him exploited on D by the opposition? The details on this one are too numerous to mention. Simply put, KVH isn't really sticking anybody. I'd rather have Penny'd D than KVH's lack thereof.

KVH is expendable. That, in a nutshell, is why he will eventually be traded.

HARDCORE name one play not named SHAQ OR DUNCAN that can draw a double team !!! I DARE YOU !!!!

raweed is so overrated. He's not a bigtime post player or offesive rebounder by ANY stretch.

KVH is an excellent offensive rebounder.

McDyess was supposed to be that low post player, but lets face it. We are a guard oriented team. When thats Frank, Steph, Hou, and Penny thats not to bad. All we need is guys that can run, crash the boards and get some easy garbage points on putbacks and broken defenses. KVH fits that description perfectly. So does Swift, Chris Anderson, Camby, Ratliff.

No fish i got this one !!!! HARDCORE you look at the numbers to start with, KVH numbers this season are better this RASHWEED's !!!!! Oh you want more ??? KVH's career numbers are BETTER than RASHWEED's numbers !!! Please try again !!!! Oh and by the way KVH has been to the finals !!! RASHWEED has only choked in the playoffs time and time again !!!! THANKS FOR PLAYING !!!!

Did u READ my post? I said that Sheed's role in Portland is different than it would be here.

If you didn't cream those granny panties so damn quick while in that mad rush to defend ya boy KVH, maybe you would have noticed.

Now you can edit that post where you just played yourself or try to clean that mess up.

Are you a K9 with rabies, or a Snowman with Brainfreeze???

how about Drew Gooden or would Orlando rather trade Juwan Howard, which is problably the reason he has the starting job, so that they raise his value.

Get us Gooden, Swift or Camby. Either one of them will make us a more complete team. Then fire Chaney and put in a new coach and we are the best team in the East!