Why do some of you think that he can start at pg for MDA, he's not even better then chris duhon.
The kid can score and defend, please do not consider him a fall back option at the point, because your sadly mistaken.

We get caught up in the fact that he can knock down some three's, drive the lane, and defend aggressively and think he's the answer. Why do you think mike left the kid on the bench, he sucks at running the team for more then 2 possesions

Yes he's fast and can finish, but that doesn't make him a pg, i would give this guy up in a heart beat for collison, bayless, flynn, lawson, and the ( for got his name) back up on the suns.

He hasn't shown me anything to suggest he can start

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:TD is not a legit pg by any stretch, he does not know how to run a team, and he's not even a back up..the only thing he can do at the pg position is defend it.

Why do some of you think that he can start at pg for MDA, he's not even better then chris duhon.
The kid can score and defend, please do not consider him a fall back option at the point, because your sadly mistaken.

We get caught up in the fact that he can knock down some three's, drive the lane, and defend aggressively and think he's the answer. Why do you think mike left the kid on the bench, he sucks at running the team for more then 2 possesions

Yes he's fast and can finish, but that doesn't make him a pg, i would give this guy up in a heart beat for collison, bayless, flynn, lawson, and the ( for got his name) back up on the suns.

He hasn't shown me anything to suggest he can start

have you watched Bayless try to run an offense? Flynn looked clueless. Collison and Lawson looked great in a small sampling.

If you have noticed in almost every one of my "what to do next year" discussions one of my #1 objectives is to get a playmaker here so Douglas CAN start at PG. A guy like Lebron, Mike Miller, Joe Johnson or Shawn Livinston are guys who would start at the 2 but could also be primary ball handlers, allowing Douglas to play off the ball more and defens opposing PGs.

Douglas did a couple of things that were very note worthy:
He never turned the ball over. He was not a great floor general by any means but he was never careless with the ball. He averaged 1 TO a game in 20 minutes. Thats impressive

He defended opposing PGs. He showed he could keep a body on the big ones and keep the quick ones out of the lane. Something we desperatly need.

He can really score.

I dont know how good or what kind of player he becomes but I will go to war with Toney Douglas any day. Dude is a smart tough player. He's got a good future in the NBA

Thats the point im getting at, he does everything well except run a team. A pg that doesn't avg at least 5 ast is useless at the positon. JJ, wade, LBJ will avg 6+ ast playing off the ball in this system alone, hell....david lee avg more ast then TD

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:TD is not a legit pg by any stretch, he does not know how to run a team, and he's not even a back up..the only thing he can do at the pg position is defend it.

Why do some of you think that he can start at pg for MDA, he's not even better then chris duhon.
The kid can score and defend, please do not consider him a fall back option at the point, because your sadly mistaken.

We get caught up in the fact that he can knock down some three's, drive the lane, and defend aggressively and think he's the answer. Why do you think mike left the kid on the bench, he sucks at running the team for more then 2 possesions

Yes he's fast and can finish, but that doesn't make him a pg, i would give this guy up in a heart beat for collison, bayless, flynn, lawson, and the ( for got his name) back up on the suns.

He hasn't shown me anything to suggest he can start

have you watched Bayless try to run an offense? Flynn looked clueless. Collison and Lawson looked great in a small sampling.

If you have noticed in almost every one of my "what to do next year" discussions one of my #1 objectives is to get a playmaker here so Douglas CAN start at PG. A guy like Lebron, Mike Miller, Joe Johnson or Shawn Livinston are guys who would start at the 2 but could also be primary ball handlers, allowing Douglas to play off the ball more and defens opposing PGs.

Douglas did a couple of things that were very note worthy:
He never turned the ball over. He was not a great floor general by any means but he was never careless with the ball. He averaged 1 TO a game in 20 minutes. Thats impressive

He defended opposing PGs. He showed he could keep a body on the big ones and keep the quick ones out of the lane. Something we desperatly need.

He can really score.

I dont know how good or what kind of player he becomes but I will go to war with Toney Douglas any day. Dude is a smart tough player. He's got a good future in the NBA

Thats the point im getting at, he does everything well except run a team. A pg that doesn't avg at least 5 ast is useless at the positon. JJ, wade, LBJ will avg 6+ ast playing off the ball in this system alone, hell....david lee avg more ast then TD

Give me a break. If you actually watched him play you would see there is very good PG potential. He's got a great handle, has decent floor vision, dribbles with his head up and is a bigtime defender and shooter.

Not every PG has to be Jason Kidd to be a good player. Geeze. Kid's played 50 games in the NBA. I thought he looked great and once they gave him big minutes he put up good numbers

22 games in March/April: 12.5 points, 3.5 assists, shot 45% and 1.2 TOs.
Dude shot the ball very well and had a 3:1 assist to TO and was great on defense, but you see no potential as a starter.

WTF is the world coming to??????

knicks1248 wrote:Make Douglas the starter. This would be a last resort if the Knicks can’t find sign-and-trade partners and get priced out of the shallow free agent market at the position. Douglas offers a defensive-minded skill set with a smart shooting game but he lacks the passing repertoire necessary to step into a full-time role as a ball distributor.

You're missing the point here. We're targetting FA's who will primarilly be handling the ball.
Either LBJ, Wade or JJ will have the ball in their hands. One of them will be the floor general.

knicks1248 wrote:
Thats the point im getting at, he does everything well except run a team. A pg that doesn't avg at least 5 ast is useless at the positon. JJ, wade, LBJ will avg 6+ ast playing off the ball in this system alone, hell....david lee avg more ast then TD

Uh, if you think Lebron James would play off the ball here, I have some basketball related news for you.

knicks1248 wrote:He avg 2 ast, go check his stats out

knicks1248 wrote:TD is not a legit pg by any stretch, he does not know how to run a team, and he's not even a back up..the only thing he can do at the pg position is defend it.

Why do some of you think that he can start at pg for MDA, he's not even better then chris duhon.

from now on im not accepting any crazy ideas from people that dont show-up at the UK B-Ball games!!! In my mind, if you cant play your opinion about real players should be totally moot...who the eff are you Knicks1248 to pass judgement on Toney Douglas...have you ever hit a floater in the lane, or a 3 pointer from deep in the corner or even made a friggin free throw alone in a gym (much less w/19,000 people screaming)

Just shut up & enjoy the game dude cause it's obvious from your un-informed opinion that youve never played it

ActionJackson wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:TD is not a legit pg by any stretch, he does not know how to run a team, and he's not even a back up..the only thing he can do at the pg position is defend it.

Why do some of you think that he can start at pg for MDA, he's not even better then chris duhon.

from now on im not accepting any crazy ideas from people that dont show-up at the UK B-Ball games!!! In my mind, if you cant play your opinion about real players should be totally moot...who the eff are you Knicks1248 to pass judgement on Toney Douglas...have you ever hit a floater in the lane, or a 3 pointer from deep in the corner or even made a friggin free throw alone in a gym (much less w/19,000 people screaming)

Just shut up & enjoy the game dude cause it's obvious from your un-informed opinion that youve never played it

yea tell him! i love when aj goes off on the posers.

btw for those of you who weren’t there aj and i were working the 2-man game like no one's business. he was jameer nelson out there breaking evil's and enyspree's ankles and i was dwight howard BANGIN’ that s**t home in dj's and allanfan's faces.

His defense is already there but he'll eventually develop into a very good PG in due time. Billiups, as you now was a scorer for his college and 1st couple or yrs in the NBA but changed his style of play.

Douglas, as he get better would become a versatile pg, piling up rebounds, pgs, steals and assist.