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6/12/2010  11:44 AM
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After watching the Boston and Lakers playoff games its very physical and low scoring with strong defense. I just don't think that D'Antoni really like to play that type of game and he will keep trying to prove everyone wrong about defense. Plus I think that him and Bosh will clash with that 3point thing.

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6/12/2010  11:54 AM
Only way to know if D'Antoni can get the championship is to allow him an opportunity to get it.
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6/12/2010  12:30 PM
Yes.
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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6/12/2010  2:40 PM
LOL You forgot to type "Papabear says ..."
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6/12/2010  3:12 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear

After watching the Boston and Lakers playoff games its very physical and low scoring with strong defense. I just don't think that D'Antoni really like to play that type of game and he will keep trying to prove everyone wrong about defense. Plus I think that him and Bosh will clash with that 3point thing.

I would say that MDA clearly has a half court aspect to his offense. We didn't even run with MDA here cuz we couldn't get Duhon to push the ball. If you saw how small the Suns were and they still were competitive with LA. Now if we can add size as DW has made it clear he will look to do, then I expect that MDA will be able to take advantage of that. Remember also that MDA had Shaq for a little while, so it won't be the 1st time that he's had a post up C to work into the offense.

The thing is that you can still play fast in the half court, it's called a motion offense. You just aren't going to see the team stand around and look to only go in the post. MDA's offense is far more than just fastbreaks and 3's. However a lot of the fastbreak aspect is simply to put pressure on the other team to have to get back on every single possession! That seems easy, but in reality it's hard for teams to do. That's also why MDA doesn't want a lot of fouls by his defense. He prefers to try and force teams to take long shots and to close off penetration and then play the passing lanes to try and get tips and steals, which can lead to fastbreaks. If you also add shotblocking it would help to speed up the game in terms of fastbreaks.

Also to have a slow it down defensive grindout finals, you need two willing participants. Both LA and Boston play tough D and as such, it's not hard to see why the games get so physical. Boston doesn't want to run for 48 minutes and LA doesn't either. I think if we were to get to the finals, MDA would look to force the action as much as possible.
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6/12/2010  4:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2010  4:37 PM
iSergio wrote:LOL You forgot to type "Papabear says ..."

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I wanted my 1000th post to be different.

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nixluva wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear

After watching the Boston and Lakers playoff games its very physical and low scoring with strong defense. I just don't think that D'Antoni really like to play that type of game and he will keep trying to prove everyone wrong about defense. Plus I think that him and Bosh will clash with that 3point thing.

I would say that MDA clearly has a half court aspect to his offense. We didn't even run with MDA here cuz we couldn't get Duhon to push the ball. If you saw how small the Suns were and they still were competitive with LA. Now if we can add size as DW has made it clear he will look to do, then I expect that MDA will be able to take advantage of that. Remember also that MDA had Shaq for a little while, so it won't be the 1st time that he's had a post up C to work into the offense.

The thing is that you can still play fast in the half court, it's called a motion offense. You just aren't going to see the team stand around and look to only go in the post. MDA's offense is far more than just fastbreaks and 3's. However a lot of the fastbreak aspect is simply to put pressure on the other team to have to get back on every single possession! That seems easy, but in reality it's hard for teams to do. That's also why MDA doesn't want a lot of fouls by his defense. He prefers to try and force teams to take long shots and to close off penetration and then play the passing lanes to try and get tips and steals, which can lead to fastbreaks. If you also add shotblocking it would help to speed up the game in terms of fastbreaks.

Also to have a slow it down defensive grindout finals, you need two willing participants. Both LA and Boston play tough D and as such, it's not hard to see why the games get so physical. Boston doesn't want to run for 48 minutes and LA doesn't either. I think if we were to get to the finals, MDA would look to force the action as much as possible.

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Sorry Nixluva but Mike D's style of basketball is not the way the game was ment to play. I want to see a complete game not a bunch of guys running up and down the court hoisting up 3s without a big man in the middle. I also believe Mike D has a problem dealing with young kids on the team.

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6/12/2010  7:51 PM
Papabear wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear

After watching the Boston and Lakers playoff games its very physical and low scoring with strong defense. I just don't think that D'Antoni really like to play that type of game and he will keep trying to prove everyone wrong about defense. Plus I think that him and Bosh will clash with that 3point thing.

I would say that MDA clearly has a half court aspect to his offense. We didn't even run with MDA here cuz we couldn't get Duhon to push the ball. If you saw how small the Suns were and they still were competitive with LA. Now if we can add size as DW has made it clear he will look to do, then I expect that MDA will be able to take advantage of that. Remember also that MDA had Shaq for a little while, so it won't be the 1st time that he's had a post up C to work into the offense.

The thing is that you can still play fast in the half court, it's called a motion offense. You just aren't going to see the team stand around and look to only go in the post. MDA's offense is far more than just fastbreaks and 3's. However a lot of the fastbreak aspect is simply to put pressure on the other team to have to get back on every single possession! That seems easy, but in reality it's hard for teams to do. That's also why MDA doesn't want a lot of fouls by his defense. He prefers to try and force teams to take long shots and to close off penetration and then play the passing lanes to try and get tips and steals, which can lead to fastbreaks. If you also add shotblocking it would help to speed up the game in terms of fastbreaks.

Also to have a slow it down defensive grindout finals, you need two willing participants. Both LA and Boston play tough D and as such, it's not hard to see why the games get so physical. Boston doesn't want to run for 48 minutes and LA doesn't either. I think if we were to get to the finals, MDA would look to force the action as much as possible.

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Sorry Nixluva but Mike D's style of basketball is not the way the game was ment to play. I want to see a complete game not a bunch of guys running up and down the court hoisting up 3s without a big man in the middle. I also believe Mike D has a problem dealing with young kids on the team.

The game was created when there were no bigmen. I think tho that as things evolved it became clear that size was a serious weapon. This still has nothing to do with whether you can win playing MDA's system or not.

MDA's style doesn't preclude size. You can have a bunch of bigs in Mike's system, they just need to be skilled. You really have to let the misconceptions go. Gasol could easily play in MDA's system. A center like Oluajuwon would be great in MDA's system. There's a reason why people wanted to bring in Camby. A big that can block shots, rebound and also score is a perfect match for this system, so I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the player.
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6/13/2010  2:25 AM
A center like Oluajuwon would work in any system bro!
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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6/13/2010  2:51 AM
93BUICK wrote:Yes.
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6/13/2010  3:12 AM
93BUICK wrote:A center like Oluajuwon would work in any system bro!

That's the whole freakin point. Great players can make any system work and that's why we're going after great players. We want to win and like any good coach you need good players.
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6/13/2010  5:47 AM
nixluva wrote:
93BUICK wrote:A center like Oluajuwon would work in any system bro!

That's the whole freakin point. Great players can make any system work and that's why we're going after great players. We want to win and like any good coach you need good players.

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I just don't Like Mike D's system. It looks to me like a free for all. No set plans just run and gun. The guys you named can play in any system. I still say that Mike D have a comunication problem with young players and does not have the patient to work with them. We had a no1 draft pick and we dumped him before his first year. Look I watched a lot of the games and the kid didn't have a chance. If we don't get a defensive coach in here we are up the creek. LeBron knows the deal and he will probably resign with Cleveland.

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6/13/2010  9:20 AM
If everyone at forward/center can hit those little rainbows like Nash and hit the hook shot with
either hand like _Lee then maybe you might get away with that 6'9 front court and get as far
as the finals.
But what I see in this series is you need the beef too. Gasol started strong in the series but
the banging is taking it's toll. Gasol looks totally neutralised by the Celts beef without Bynum.
You need to be able to adjust in any game to the personnel of the opponent. Running will work
some of the time but you won't win every sprint. The 3's won't fall every night (see Ray Allen)
either so you will need other options.
The Celtics are a better team with Nate on the floor than than the lineup that had House. And the
veteran leadership of his teammates and coaches may help him reach his full potential.
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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6/13/2010  4:10 PM
1000 "Papabear says" is like 2000!
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