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Who do you want for your two picks for the Knicks 38-39
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BRIGGS
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6/7/2010  10:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2010  4:20 PM
Based on both mock drafts what they have left to 40 with the assumption of no one falling radically far

Ive come down to

PG Ben Uzoh 6-4 200 Tulsa
F Craig Brackins 6-10 230 F Iowa State

Marques Blakley 6-6 225 and Mikhail Torrance 6-5 210 are my back up picks in case one they are gone or if we go up and buy a pick

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6/8/2010  12:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2010  12:44 AM
I'd be OK with Sylven Landesberg & Willie Warren at 38 & 39 though I have my doubts they're both still on the board, although who knows now with Warren -- I was reading over the weekend somewhere that he was just arrested recently for having outstanding warrants for either a fist fight in a bar where he was named as one of the participants who fled the scene by witnesses or for unanswered moving violations (hard to tell, everything I've read has been pretty vague). That may further hurt his stock but help us in the process (there's no denying the man has excellent talent and that talent still outweighs any of this small-time nonsense he's gotten himself involved in - I even heard he voluntarily turned himself into a police station to settle up). Warren and Landesberg would be good choices because as far as I can tell, I think Chandler & TD may be in play here, maybe to get Tony Parker. We might find ourselves in the position where we're gonna need an entire new backcourt, or at the very least some solid 2nd-team backcourt rotation depth..I like Brackins a lot as well but I think he'll be gone too.

If all of these guys are gone and we fail to move up, I like Sherron Collins with one of those picks (he's a little small but not overly so - he measured out almost 6' in shoes, he's always been a winner for a excellent program, he's strong as a bull, quick as hell and he can really shoot the ball from deep. He's a vocal leader and he's also worked hard on his body since college, showing up to the combine with ripped ABs and a much better body fat % than he's had in the past. It all shows me he's super serious about being a darn good pro. I like him a lot - I think he'd make a very nice understudy behind Tony Parker (I actually think Collins is a superior player to Toney Douglas, and I like Douglas). After that I'd look at the 3 best available center prospects (Jerome Jordan, Art Parakouski and AJ Ogilvy), PFs Jarvis Varnado and Trevor Booker (esp. if it took David Lee to get Parker and we didn't get Blair in the deal and Chris Bosh turns us down), Greivis Vasquez, Quincy Pondexter and Wayne Chism (who's surprisingly skilled showing similar inside/outside scoring ability to Craig Brackins at nearly identical size - plus he helped get his team deep in the tournament this year). Jordan Crawford's another guy I'd look at. Nice hops and he's a shooter. I actually though his brother Joe showed some nice talent with us for a limited time - I think Jordan's even better..This is all assuming no bigger name slips of course..

You've mentioned Blakely a lot recently Briggs. I assume you've seen him play. I haven't unfortunately so I don't have a feel. Give me your take on what you saw. From the clips and the scouting reports, the athleticism and the shutdown defensive potential is what stands out & intrigues me. I just want to know what makes him better than a guy like Renaldo Balkman for example..

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6/8/2010  1:04 AM
All of the guys I really like have been around a long time. Uzoh and Blakely are two of the higher end sleepers[if there are sleepers any more]if not the highest of all of them in this draft. Lets just say this--I would be willing to take Uzoh in the first round. Uzoh is a guy who has transitioned from SG to a PG and probably would've been mentioned more by me if I wasn't in love with Fredette and I've kind of kept quiet about him so I can spring him out when it counts:) What is the one thing you notice when you watch Jerome Jordan play over the last two years my answer---Ben Uzoh. The odds of finding a player like Uzoh sitting at 38 would be remarkable and the steal of the draft if the Knicks can execute and a whiff by a lot of teams. He's got the same dimensions and athletic ability as John Wall--not quite the dribbler or pure distributor as Wall but I am discussing this player in comparison at pick 38 to 1. He doesn't turn the ball over--he's transitioned very well in the last two years to lead guard--he's extremely lengthy and athletic and gets to the hoops with ease. In the NBA when the lanes increase--you can see a guy like this just get better. In terms of absolute raw potential he has to be #2 PG in this draft because there is no other PG other than Wall like him imho.
Blakely really played PF for Vermont at 6-6 for most of his time there. He played upfront with another guy named Evan Fjeld and while many people know about blakely from his dunks over the last 4 years--he's been on SC many times--if you sat and watched him a few times against better teams--namely one game early this year against Rutgers----I mean this guy is oozing with potential. The reason why he is not listed in mocks is his height and perceived position from college--but what I see is a F who has incredible physical attributes solid basketball IQ who should be able to make an instant splash in the NBA due to the physical prowess alone--I think I used G Wilkins as an example of a guy who was an athlete at TC and a 2nd round pick who could not hit the side of a barn when he came into the nBA but did develop a very decent jumpshot and still played well from day 1 using his physical tools.If you really evaluate his play against good teams--not cupcakes--if you see him play he can handle dish drive rebound--he just has not developed a J--but no reason why he cannot and from that round 2 position--just a very attractive physical player who should make a splash. Both players to me bring a ton to the table both on offense and defense--Blakely is better[maybe much better] than Balkman and Balkman was pick 22 or whatever he was and I think he will transfer into a more well rounded game
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6/8/2010  1:06 AM
Lebron and Bosh?
The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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6/8/2010  8:12 AM
I think we would have to trade up into the first round for Brackins or Warren. Varnado is a great second round pickup and a guy like Crawford would be another great one. Players with specialties that give them a chance to be longtime contributers in the league.
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6/8/2010  8:24 AM
stanleybostitch wrote:Lebron and Bosh?

BRIGGS is more interesting in building a team from the ground up using late first round talent and unknowns. Who needs LeBron when you can put together a squad like this on the cheap.

C-Fashenko
F-Jordan Hill
F-Brackens
G-Blakely
G-Uzoh


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6/8/2010  8:49 AM
We need to stock pile Centers/fouls for Dwight Howard so I'd take the two best/biggest Centers available.

Draft gurus, any insight on Jerome Jordan?

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6/8/2010  9:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2010  9:22 AM
How about Brian Zoubek? He's a great rebounder and a big body. Maybe a Chris Dudley/Will Perdue type?

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/zoubek_dreams_of_joining_knicks_bl9Faw0bQKIJPSY4RGq1uO

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6/8/2010  9:25 AM
i am hoping somehow that Devin Ebanks is around there since he seems to floating around the beginning of the 2nd round in most mocks. he needs to improve his shot, but he has the versatility that d'antoni likes and i think he's going to turn into a pretty damn good pro. he had a backwards year in his soph year at wvu, but he played much better during tourney time and i think it shows his maturation process.
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6/8/2010  9:26 AM
iSergio wrote:How about Brian Zoubek? He's a great rebounder and a big body. Maybe a Chris Dudley/Will Perdue type?

[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/zoubek_dreams_of_joining_knicks_bl9Faw0bQKIJPSY4RGq1uO[/url]

Mikhail Torrance--he's not a C but he's also a very big PG who like Uzoh is oozing with potential. Hell if I was were the Knicks --depending on who is available I might take both of them. I know we need size but getting the size out of the 1 is not bad! These guys are both better than the bigs left.

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6/8/2010  9:28 AM
Mikhail Torrance, if available, would interest me. Don't know if we rescheduled a tryout for him, but he seems like a well-rounded player, who also shot well at the shooting events.

Brackins would be the other pick if available, but I am not sure he will be around when we pick.

I tend to look at the guys we are actually trying out. Foote and Gallon supposedly had good workouts, but they might be around after the draft is over. Both intrigue me- Foote because of his size, intelligence, and jumper, and Gallon because he has so much potential (and a lot of risk).

Crawford might be one of those wildcard players any team needs- an instant offense guy you bring in when your O is slow.

I am not a Varnado fan, and I think the Hahn twitter said he looked "Raw." Guys like that are not guy I want. Of course we had him in when we saw Brackins, and I wonder if he made Brackins look that much better by comparison.

I think we should come away with some nice players, and should be able to sign a few decent prospects who are undrafted. I am also someone who supports the buy into the late 1st Rnd. idea.

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6/8/2010  9:29 AM
http://www.iamatrailblazersfan.com/ArticleDisplayPlaceholder/tabid/192/ItemID/1506/Default.aspx

This is an article about Blakely's workout with Portland...I believe he has had 9 or 10 workouts with different teams.
This is an article about his upcoming workouts... http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports/vermonts-blakely-getting-looks-before-nba-draft/8298/

He played 3 on 3 full with Udoh, Whiteside, Hayward, UCLA guard Michael Roll, and New Mexico State guard Jahmar Young during his Warriors workout...so great competition.

Absolutely an NBA defender, rebounder, and passer...perimeter game and shooting need work...incredible athlete.

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6/8/2010  9:55 AM
side note briggs - what are your thoughts on cole aldrich?
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6/8/2010  10:32 AM
djsunyc wrote:side note briggs - what are your thoughts on cole aldrich?

He measured so short that I would be scared to take him so high. He has a weird shot--he is screaming of either bust or back up taken where they are projecting.

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6/8/2010  11:16 AM
So Briggy, you got no love for my Duke boyz? Scheyer and Zoubek?
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6/8/2010  11:25 AM
loweyecue wrote:So Briggy, you got no love for my Duke boyz? Scheyer and Zoubek?

don't even think either of them are drafteable. Scheyer weighed in at 180--he's not athletic he's not a good defender--I think he needs to start in the D league and add some weight. Zoubek reminds of a Utah Jazz draft pick at 58 years gone past. I don't know if he has the skills for the league but he does have the size and strength--who knows. back up if anything.

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6/8/2010  11:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:So Briggy, you got no love for my Duke boyz? Scheyer and Zoubek?

don't even think either of them are drafteable. Scheyer weighed in at 180--he's not athletic he's not a good defender--I think he needs to start in the D league and add some weight. Zoubek reminds of a Utah Jazz draft pick at 58 years gone past. I don't know if he has the skills for the league but he does have the size and strength--who knows. back up if anything.

Tony Parker is 180 lbs and we are about to give away half the kingdom for him. Scheyer has great feel for the game, neither is a good defender though. Zoubek would be a backup of course in the Chris Dudley mode.

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6/8/2010  11:35 AM
loweyecue wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:So Briggy, you got no love for my Duke boyz? Scheyer and Zoubek?

don't even think either of them are drafteable. Scheyer weighed in at 180--he's not athletic he's not a good defender--I think he needs to start in the D league and add some weight. Zoubek reminds of a Utah Jazz draft pick at 58 years gone past. I don't know if he has the skills for the league but he does have the size and strength--who knows. back up if anything.

Tony Parker is 180 lbs and we are about to give away half the kingdom for him. Scheyer has great feel for the game, neither is a good defender though. Zoubek would be a backup of course in the Chris Dudley mode.

how are we giving away 'half the kingdom' by trading an eddy curry expiring deal and someone like wilson chandler? what does parkers weight matter anyway? nash is 178, AI was 150 soaking wet. the way people rag on parker you'd think he was a backup on all these spurs teams.

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6/8/2010  12:07 PM
loweyecue wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
loweyecue wrote:So Briggy, you got no love for my Duke boyz? Scheyer and Zoubek?

don't even think either of them are drafteable. Scheyer weighed in at 180--he's not athletic he's not a good defender--I think he needs to start in the D league and add some weight. Zoubek reminds of a Utah Jazz draft pick at 58 years gone past. I don't know if he has the skills for the league but he does have the size and strength--who knows. back up if anything.

Tony Parker is 180 lbs and we are about to give away half the kingdom for him. Scheyer has great feel for the game, neither is a good defender though. Zoubek would be a backup of course in the Chris Dudley mode.

Scheyer doesnt have anything close to what Tony Parker has in an athletic sense. Scheyer is a 6-5 un athletic beanpole who would be outmatched both athletically and strength wise

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6/8/2010  1:35 PM
I don't for a second believe Jordan Crawford will be a second rounder but if he actually is available there than he's an obvious choice. He's going to go in the mid first. I'd be happy with Greivis Vasquez gets my second pick. I'd be happy with any of Willie Warren, Lance Stephenson, Matt Bouldin, Jarvis Varnado, John Scheyer, Omar Sanhan, Wayne Chism, JP Prince
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