Sorry, Phil - appreciate what you did for this franchise, but winning titles when you've had the single best player in the league doesn't really count as a mega achievement.

And as much as I have laid hate MDA, Phil is literally on his last league, or hip- there is no way I'd want him here, because it would probably be for a year at most, and chances are his heart & mind wouldn't be fully invested in the challenge.

Red Aurbach was over rated too? Dude had HOF players like they they were skittles.

Riles is over rated. Yep, team was already championship caliber.

Larry Brown is over rated by most. Doc Rivers has 3 hof's. He must be over reated.

Look at all the teams that have won and you mostly find the best players.

So I guess having a great coach really does not matter? Its the coaches fault when they don't win but the players influence when they do?

YOu guys are very funny somtimes.

10 rings makes him the top dog. No one better. No coach won as much. Dude also wins with Reezy, with Luke Walton and Rick Fox! Dude wins with retreads, out casts, role players along side thos great players. Dude was a key component to make Jordan epic. JOrdan win before or after Jax? Jordan have an system he trusted before? Was pippin that great or great with the system? HOw many coaches have the balls to make him a "point forward"? How many coaches draw up championship winning plays that have scubs winning the game and not Jordan/Pippin? How many can take a team with Will Purdue or Bill Wennington as your center?

Or was it the Charles Oakley for Cartwright trade that did it?

He deserves his place.

Nalod wrote:
Dude has 10 rings. You don't win without Great players.

Red Aurbach was over rated too? Dude had HOF players like they they were skittles.

Riles is over rated. Yep, team was already championship caliber.

Larry Brown is over rated by most. Doc Rivers has 3 hof's. He must be over reated.

Look at all the teams that have won and you mostly find the best players.

So I guess having a great coach really does not matter? Its the coaches fault when they don't win but the players influence when they do?

YOu guys are very funny somtimes.

10 rings makes him the top dog. No one better. No coach won as much. Dude also wins with Reezy, with Luke Walton and Rick Fox! Dude wins with retreads, out casts, role players along side thos great players. Dude was a key component to make Jordan epic. JOrdan win before or after Jax? Jordan have an system he trusted before? Was pippin that great or great with the system? HOw many coaches have the balls to make him a "point forward"? How many coaches draw up championship winning plays that have scubs winning the game and not Jordan/Pippin? How many can take a team with Will Purdue or Bill Wennington as your center?

Or was it the Charles Oakley for Cartwright trade that did it?

Red is over rated- and I had him.

Riley, not over rated, except maybe in his own mind. He won with Showtime - and had to get through an equally stacked Celtic team when they did win.

LB - he's just nuts.

Doc? Underrated- loved him in orlando- thought he got a lot out of a squad with no talent.

The way I look at a coach - talent being equal, who gets more out of the same theoretical group of players?

Scott Skiles vs. MDA? I'm taking Skiles.

Brooks vs. MDA? I'm taking Brooks.

Don Chaney vs. MDA? I'm taking Chaney, and I hated his offense.

I know the human mind is far advanced and knows the difference when something is dead or gone. With Phil on the sideline players buy into what he has to say, basically his past accomplishments helps to sell his aura. Players buy into it play hard for him, this has a lot to do with one having talent and at the same time the players knowing that he has done it many times before. I'm sure there are better coaches out there than Phil he always has a superstar and superstars are always self motivated. My theory is if there were no Jordan would Phil have won with Kobe? You can have a stuffed Michael Jordan and the players will play hard for Phil Jackson. Just like when Riley came to the Knicks the confidence grew ten folds in the fans and the players knowing that a proven winner was coming to the Knicks. Same thing with Phil Jackson going to the Lakers they were a great team before he got there and it was just the confidence of him being there put them over the top. MDA all he has to do is get one with LeBron and multiple championships will follow.

franco12 wrote:Phil Jackson=Over rated.

Sorry, Phil - appreciate what you did for this franchise, but winning titles when you've had the single best player in the league doesn't really count as a mega achievement.

And as much as I have laid hate MDA, Phil is literally on his last league, or hip- there is no way I'd want him here, because it would probably be for a year at most, and chances are his heart & mind wouldn't be fully invested in the challenge.

Hey pal
I would say maybe slight so slightly overrated
Lakers got Shaq in 1996 to Join Kobe Bryant. The coaches then Del Harris, then Bill Berta and
Kurt Rambis (interim) didnt win, until LA got Phil Jackson 1999 to 2000.

When Bulls had MJordan & got Pippen in 1987, coaches Doug Collins & Stan Albeck didnt win title
Bulls won in 1991 four yrs after Pippen joined & P.Jackson became coach in 1989.
All in all I'd always undercut Jackson whom had to win with superstars.
But he's a coach. His stats proved he done well regardless of how it came about.

I used to not give him credit but I give him credit now.
Not any old coach can manage MJ/Pippen OR Shaq/Kobe. Something to be said for that!

Nalod wrote:
Dude has 10 rings. You don't win without Great players.

Red Aurbach was over rated too? Dude had HOF players like they they were skittles.

Riles is over rated. Yep, team was already championship caliber.

Larry Brown is over rated by most. Doc Rivers has 3 hof's. He must be over reated.

Look at all the teams that have won and you mostly find the best players.

So I guess having a great coach really does not matter? Its the coaches fault when they don't win but the players influence when they do?

YOu guys are very funny somtimes.

10 rings makes him the top dog. No one better. No coach won as much. Dude also wins with Reezy, with Luke Walton and Rick Fox! Dude wins with retreads, out casts, role players along side thos great players. Dude was a key component to make Jordan epic. JOrdan win before or after Jax? Jordan have an system he trusted before? Was pippin that great or great with the system? HOw many coaches have the balls to make him a "point forward"? How many coaches draw up championship winning plays that have scubs winning the game and not Jordan/Pippin? How many can take a team with Will Purdue or Bill Wennington as your center?

Or was it the Charles Oakley for Cartwright trade that did it?

I agree with you 150%
I used to knock Phil Jackson and I still dont like him since he isnt on our team and
from them old Knick-Bull nasty playoff series.

However I cant knock Phil anymore.
You're right you win with good Players or 1-2 hall of fame types or close to it,
surrounding them with right guys.

Fact is Owner James Dolan more concern with 2 things.
1) making profits at gate OR playoff revenues.
(so happy this fool is feeling pinch or NYK Missing playoffs what is it? 7 yrs now?)

2) Dolan feels its more important to like someone, like a player or employee or a coach
better than it is than to win a NBA title. Reason Dolan exiled L.Sprewell outta here
faster than speed of light.

Dolan loved embattled coach Don Chaney so much he kept him here longer than his stay
to be booed every MSG Knick home game for a pathetic knick team then. Poor Chaney did
not deserve that. But Dolan loved Don Chaney.

These things are vital to Dolan, he rather make $$$money and like you than win titles.
If he didnt make $$$ or didnt like you you're gone! Simple as that.

Dolan aint even gonna play in the new Superbowl plans & Pardners and its sub-associates
for NY Superbowl 2014.

That is how bad it is for Mr Dolan our Knick owner.
Same Dolan whom refused Hall of Famer Magic Ervin Johnson a seat at Knicks home game since
Magic ripped' Dolan's friend Zeke Thomas in new book Johnson had.

Good guy Mr Dolan is, he rather deny superstars seats at MSG/Knick home games than actually
see Knicks winning games. Go figure !