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5/22/2010  10:18 PM
7-1 245 Garnett
6-11 240 Wallace
6-9 280 Davis
6-10 270 Perkins
6-7 240 Pierce


not to mention ray allen and rondo

same thing with lakers--a bunch of big skilled guys with a couple of stars de juor.

Both teams play two way basketball


Until we build a roster like this--proven nada

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5/22/2010  10:34 PM
Knicks are in a tough spot because they have a coach who believes big men slow down the game. That being said I have been really impressed by Perkins throughout the playoffs this year. Rondo is getting deserved recognition but Perkins has been huge in every series so far.
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5/22/2010  11:17 PM
The losing has more to do with the Skill level of the top players on the Celts and Lakers. Size is one thing, but talented Size is another.

We can't worry about matching the size man for man. We just need to put together a balanced team that more than anything MAKES SENSE together. That's why I feel Lebron, Bosh & Gallo would be a good start. If you want to throw a Brendan Haywood into that mix so be it. We should go after Livingston to continue to give us a big overall team on the perimeter. I like athletic bigs more than slow plodding ones. Both the Lakers and Celts have bigs who can move pretty well.

In any case the 1st step is to secure your top talent and then worry about the lunchpail guys. Get Lebron/Bosh and then you really have a solid core to put role players around. There will be bigs available who may not be super talented, but can bang and give the team some muscle. Amir Johnson isn't super big, but he plays bigger than he is and can keep up with the pace we want to play at. As i've said many times there are so few bigs with winning talent that you can't often find enough guys. There are a few guys who should be available this year, but we'll see what DW does. Don't worry about MDA, cuz DW is old school and feels the need to have size. He won't leave the team too small to compete.

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5/22/2010  11:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:7-1 245 Garnett
6-11 240 Wallace
6-9 280 Davis
6-10 270 Perkins
6-7 240 Pierce


not to mention ray allen and rondo

same thing with lakers--a bunch of big skilled guys with a couple of stars de juor.

Both teams play two way basketball


Until we build a roster like this--proven nada

Hmm bigs... Eddy, Jerome, Darko... We had some bigs... very bigs...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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5/22/2010  11:48 PM
nixluva wrote:The losing has more to do with the Skill level of the top players on the Celts and Lakers. Size is one thing, but talented Size is another.

We can't worry about matching the size man for man. We just need to put together a balanced team that more than anything MAKES SENSE together. That's why I feel Lebron, Bosh & Gallo would be a good start. If you want to throw a Brendan Haywood into that mix so be it. We should go after Livingston to continue to give us a big overall team on the perimeter. I like athletic bigs more than slow plodding ones. Both the Lakers and Celts have bigs who can move pretty well.

In any case the 1st step is to secure your top talent and then worry about the lunchpail guys. Get Lebron/Bosh and then you really have a solid core to put role players around. There will be bigs available who may not be super talented, but can bang and give the team some muscle. Amir Johnson isn't super big, but he plays bigger than he is and can keep up with the pace we want to play at. As i've said many times there are so few bigs with winning talent that you can't often find enough guys. There are a few guys who should be available this year, but we'll see what DW does. Don't worry about MDA, cuz DW is old school and feels the need to have size. He won't leave the team too small to compete.

Nix, didn't D'Antoni say that the Magic play the way the Knicks need to to win? The Suns and Magic are being swept by teams that have an abundance of big guys. Both the Suns and Magic rely on one dominant big and obviously that isn't working in the playoffs if you want to compete for a championship.
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5/22/2010  11:51 PM
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:7-1 245 Garnett
6-11 240 Wallace
6-9 280 Davis
6-10 270 Perkins
6-7 240 Pierce


not to mention ray allen and rondo

same thing with lakers--a bunch of big skilled guys with a couple of stars de juor.

Both teams play two way basketball


Until we build a roster like this--proven nada

Hmm bigs... Eddy, Jerome, Darko... We had some bigs... very bigs...

Darko is a bit more than a serviceable
\ big. He would be playing for any of the four teams in the playoffs. Remember, coach thinks bigs slow the game down.

Prediction: if Darko resigns with Minny Al Jefferson ends up on the Nets.

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5/22/2010  11:53 PM
To win you need character not size.
If player has small heart, big b..t will not help.
And you need smarts. Both Boston and LA have a bunch of players with bbal IQ well above avarage.
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5/22/2010  11:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:7-1 245 Garnett
6-11 240 Wallace
6-9 280 Davis
6-10 270 Perkins
6-7 240 Pierce


not to mention ray allen and rondo

same thing with lakers--a bunch of big skilled guys with a couple of stars de juor.

Both teams play two way basketball


Until we build a roster like this--proven nada

Hmm bigs... Eddy, Jerome, Darko... We had some bigs... very bigs...

Darko is a bit more than a serviceable
\ big. He would be playing for any of the four teams in the playoffs. Remember, coach thinks bigs slow the game down.

Prediction: if Darko resigns with Minny Al Jefferson ends up on the Nets.

He never show anything in NBA exept of bad language.
Scrap is always scrap.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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5/23/2010  12:00 AM
arkrud wrote:To win you need character not size.
If player has small heart, big b..t will not help.
And you need smarts. Both Boston and LA have a bunch of players with bbal IQ well above avarage.

This year the coach went for character or experience over talent and upside, won 29 games, didn't develop the draft picks and devalued the lottery pick. I think you could put together an all character team under 6'9" from this year and you wouldn't be able to beat the Lakers or Celtics right now. Ignoring the importance of size is like ignoring offense or defense, you can't if you want to win a championship.
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5/23/2010  12:23 AM
Skilled big players are a must. Watching Ben Wallace 2.0 Howard on the O is tedious, Howard is as raw as the day he walked into the league. The man has no game on the offensive side of the ball. He relies to much on his teammates to get him in the most optimal position for him to score. If Orlando is going to carry Howard then they need a true PF who is skilled. Howard is not a skilled player on the Offensive side.
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5/23/2010  12:34 AM
arkrud wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:7-1 245 Garnett
6-11 240 Wallace
6-9 280 Davis
6-10 270 Perkins
6-7 240 Pierce


not to mention ray allen and rondo

same thing with lakers--a bunch of big skilled guys with a couple of stars de juor.

Both teams play two way basketball


Until we build a roster like this--proven nada

Hmm bigs... Eddy, Jerome, Darko... We had some bigs... very bigs...

Darko is a bit more than a serviceable
\ big. He would be playing for any of the four teams in the playoffs. Remember, coach thinks bigs slow the game down.

Prediction: if Darko resigns with Minny Al Jefferson ends up on the Nets.

He never show anything in NBA exept of bad language.
Scrap is always scrap.

He isn't even 25 yet. When he got minutes this year in Minny he produced.
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5/23/2010  12:37 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:7-1 245 Garnett
6-11 240 Wallace
6-9 280 Davis
6-10 270 Perkins
6-7 240 Pierce


not to mention ray allen and rondo

same thing with lakers--a bunch of big skilled guys with a couple of stars de juor.

Both teams play two way basketball


Until we build a roster like this--proven nada

Hmm bigs... Eddy, Jerome, Darko... We had some bigs... very bigs...

Darko is a bit more than a serviceable
\ big. He would be playing for any of the four teams in the playoffs. Remember, coach thinks bigs slow the game down.

Prediction: if Darko resigns with Minny Al Jefferson ends up on the Nets.

He never show anything in NBA exept of bad language.
Scrap is always scrap.

He isn't even 25 yet. When he got minutes this year in Minny he produced.

I looked at Darko's stats on Minn and they weren't that good. If anything he was given a chance and his production wasn't that good. Put it this way Barron had better games than Darko.

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5/23/2010  12:53 AM
Darko average almost 9 pts, 5 rebs and 1.4 blocks in 25 minutes a game for Minny. He had an expiring contract and he was traded for a guy that was waived immediately. Darko was so discouraged by his time in NY that he publicly declared he was returning to Europe. However, Minny wants him back. He certainly had skills, size and abilities that a 29 win team could have used.

As far as Barron is concerned I hope the Knicks can get him back. He played like a guy who was well coached, knew how to hustle, play defense, and get the most out of his ability.

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5/23/2010  1:57 AM
Can we please let the Darko thing die already. Are we really gonna quibble over playing time for guys we brought just to hold a spot until we got thru the year. This isn't about players that can't help us win a title. This is about our future now. We will add bigs who can play the way this team needs on both ends and MDA is gonna play them. This BS about him not playing real centers has to stop. He played Shaq and he would've played Curry if he ever got in shape and stayed healthy.
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5/23/2010  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/23/2010  12:07 PM

Some would say that Rondo, the smallest player in their rotation, has been the difference for the Celtics so far and Allen has had some great games in the playoffs.

Bigs seem a lot bigger when you have someone able to get them the ball in a position to do some damage.

To be honest, I don't see why MDA would be unhappy with having and coaching the Celtics lineup except for Rondo's lack of an outside game, and I expect that he would see Rondo's distribution skills and D as compensation. Wallace, Garnett, and even Davis have outside games, and of course, MDA would love having guys like Pierce and Allen on the perimeter.

You always want some kind of size balance, but, as someone pointed out, having some skills, whether you are big or small, is a necessity. And I don't think people should dismiss the significance of a player's "character," although character without skill means you have a good teammate on the bench and nothing more.

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5/23/2010  12:06 PM
Vmart wrote:Skilled big players are a must. Watching Ben Wallace 2.0 Howard on the O is tedious, Howard is as raw as the day he walked into the league. The man has no game on the offensive side of the ball. He relies to much on his teammates to get him in the most optimal position for him to score. If Orlando is going to carry Howard then they need a true PF who is skilled. Howard is not a skilled player on the Offensive side.

I seem to recall people talking about the influence of Ewing on Howard's game. This series is not exactly a glowing endorsement of Ewing's ability to coach a big man.

It is simply amazing to me that Howard has not developed some automatic go to moves in the post. Does he have a "signature" shot at this point in his career. He has spent more time working on his muscle tone and doing commercials that he has on developing his game, it would seem.

Some blame for Howard's woes have to go to Nelson, and how Rondo has dominated him, but Howard's game is still very raw at this point, and you wonder if he has the ability to get better.

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5/23/2010  12:10 PM
Boston's passing and defense has been unbelievable this series--a fantastic balance of offensive and defense.
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5/23/2010  12:32 PM
The Herald has a great article on Kendrick Perkins today. Doc compares him to Tree Rollins and Dan Roundfield. He says that playing with a guy like Perkins is great for a point guard. He said he was in the same situation with the Hawks and it allowed him to become a great defensive guard because he could take chances and know that if his man got by him he would have his shot blocked or get knocked to the ground.

I think Perkins has been one of the keys to Boston's success throughout the playoffs and his single coverage on Howard doesn't allow the Magic to do what they were doing earlier in the playoffs. I know Rondo is getting a lot of deserved credit but Perkins impact should not be overlooked.

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5/23/2010  12:36 PM
I think the playoffs have always been about coaching and matchups, Gentry, and SVG are getting severly out coach, they have made no adjust in game, or from game to game. While Kendric has been a big boost, Rondo has been the complete X factor.

SVG, and Mike woodson have made no attemps to slow rondo down with size (like MDA did putting JJ on him)
There's no question that Kobe is going to spend some time Guarding Rondo. The Suns have Are over match and are not deep enough, and have no one to guard Kobe and Odom.

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5/23/2010  12:56 PM
knicks1248 wrote:I think the playoffs have always been about coaching and matchups, Gentry, and SVG are getting severly out coach, they have made no adjust in game, or from game to game. While Kendric has been a big boost, Rondo has been the complete X factor.

SVG, and Mike woodson have made no attemps to slow rondo down with size (like MDA did putting JJ on him)
There's no question that Kobe is going to spend some time Guarding Rondo. The Suns have Are over match and are not deep enough, and have no one to guard Kobe and Odom.

Rondo plays like a guy from the 70's

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