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Curry to Philly for Brand and the #2 pick?
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Moonangie
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5/21/2010  3:48 PM
from RealGM:
The Sixers would reportedly trade the second overall pick in this year's draft to a team that is willing to take Elton Brand's contract off their hands.

Brand's deal pays him $51 million over the next three seasons.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66717/20100521/sixers_willing_to_trade_2nd_pick_with_brand/#ixzz0oaxeQbiE

Would this enable us to sign Lebron AND David Lee? This could be a seriously nice way to get into the first round and grab Turner (i.e., we need a SG). Does Brand still have any game left in him to be worth near-max money for a couple of years?

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5/21/2010  3:53 PM
Are you kidding me? That would cripple us financially.
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5/21/2010  3:59 PM
I hear you. I was thinking that $11mil of it would be a swap for Eddy next season, we would keep our fingers crossed for him to return to form the following season, and then he is an expiring after that. Meanwhile, we sign Lebron, resign David, and have Turner as our SG, which means we can bring Walker off the bench. It would also further make Chandler expendable in a trade for a PG or C.

But yeah, if Brand is still a bust, it could be a bad move. Any other thoughts on this?

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5/21/2010  4:04 PM
What are you guys doing are you serious. I'll take the number two but hell in no way they are giving up a number two. They are hoping that he turns into a great player they can build a team around. What does that do for the Knicks they will be assured to be the smallest team in the league with 6'9 Lee and a 6'8 Brand that will lead you to no championships. Are you guys watching the finals you have to be big where the team is suppose to be big at Center and Pf position.
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5/21/2010  4:08 PM
PG: Douglas & I would bet LBJ plays some point in Dantoni's O
SG: Turner, Walker
SF: LBJ (max), Gallo
PF: Brand, Gallo, Tyrus Thomas (4 years, 6mm per)
C: Barron, Alabi, Varnado
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5/21/2010  4:11 PM
Vmart wrote:What are you guys doing are you serious. I'll take the number two but hell in no way they are giving up a number two. They are hoping that he turns into a great player they can build a team around. What does that do for the Knicks they will be assured to be the smallest team in the league with 6'9 Lee and a 6'8 Brand that will lead you to no championships. Are you guys watching the finals you have to be big where the team is suppose to be big at Center and Pf position.

We gave up the number 8 for 1 YEAR of Jeffries 7 million dollar contract. I think it's possible if we find a way to be creative with some other trades. I think Brand just doesn't fit in well with Phili.

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5/21/2010  4:45 PM
I would do this--tell me what player we can get that will be better than Turner besides LBJ? If we brought in Turner and Brand--wouldnt that be more acceptable to LBJ because we would still have the max slot left. Something to think about.
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5/21/2010  4:49 PM
This shows you how this draft doesnt have any real locks like last year. Sixers dont need anybody in the lottery this year. They need a SG.

Brand is finished and he is worse than Curry because Curry shuts up and collects his check. Elton Brand still thinks he is "the man".

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5/21/2010  4:58 PM
Turner, Brand and a max slot still open is something to think about. Is Brand coming back from the type of injury where he will improve being another year removed from it? He is a local guy and getting Turner would be awesome.
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5/21/2010  5:06 PM
from simmons:

MRMC on the NBA salary cap: "You could have all the money in the world, but you have to be smart enough knowing how to spend it. I really try to be on that smart money side. Once you make a serious mistake you can suffer five or six years and I do my best to avoid serious mistakes."

(Translation: "Sorry, Amar'e, Rudy, Joe and Carlos -- you won't be getting a max contract from me this summer. Sorry, Philadelphia, you're not talking me into trading for Elton. And sorry, Washington, I won't be taking Gilbert off your hands.")

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5/21/2010  5:52 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I would do this--tell me what player we can get that will be better than Turner besides LBJ? If we brought in Turner and Brand--wouldnt that be more acceptable to LBJ because we would still have the max slot left. Something to think about.

Turner is going to be another Hamilton, IMO. I was hoping we got him last year before he pulled out of the draft. High character, great leader, all around player, even if he is not an elite athlete.

If we could get anything out of Brand during his contract it really would be something to think about.

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5/21/2010  5:54 PM
we've just watched elton brand attempt to fit in with philly in a running style and he's not able to. now we want to absorb that horrid deal? even for the chance to draft turner i wouldn't do this.. it would destroy our cap, especially if we strike out on the big boys this year.
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5/21/2010  7:19 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I would do this--tell me what player we can get that will be better than Turner besides LBJ? If we brought in Turner and Brand--wouldnt that be more acceptable to LBJ because we would still have the max slot left. Something to think about.

Turner is going to be another Hamilton, IMO. I was hoping we got him last year before he pulled out of the draft. High character, great leader, all around player, even if he is not an elite athlete.

If we could get anything out of Brand during his contract it really would be something to think about.

When I first saw Turner I thought he reminded me oif Caron Butler litle--last year even hurt he looked like Branden Roy. If you start throwing together players like Gallinari Turner and Chandler--you're going to build a team that will have serious components. If we can get Brand back to playing to 85% of old--we might be able to walk into another Zach Randolph type deal where we can move him again when he has higher value. Put it this way Lee and Brand is better than anything close to what we had--we would add Turner as well. Adding turner and Brand might not be the preferred choice but certainly it's a very reasonable path if they think some other things arent going to get done. The Knicks could sell Turner to the fans.

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5/21/2010  9:14 PM
I would totally do this...getting Brand for Curry and getting the #2? Who cares about Brands contract? Brand may not be the 20/10 beast, but he's still a Banger and the type of dude that would layout someone if they tried to sail towards the basket.

Also its a curry for brand swap....Knicks still have 33 mill to spend. Lebron and bosh still could come. If this has even the slightest possibility to happen you freaking do it.

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5/21/2010  9:33 PM
Knicks have $34M in cap space and Curry eats up $11M. Brand makes $16M next year. The #2 pick would make somewhere just south of $5M.

So, even if you trade out Curry and take back Brand and the #2, you would be left with $24M in cap space. Max player signs for $17M, that leaves you with another $7M.

interesting idea but I don't think Philly goes for it, even if you included Chandler.

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5/21/2010  9:42 PM
martin wrote:Knicks have $34M in cap space and Curry eats up $11M. Brand makes $16M next year. The #2 pick would make somewhere just south of $5M.

So, even if you trade out Curry and take back Brand and the #2, you would be left with $24M in cap space. Max player signs for $17M, that leaves you with another $7M.

interesting idea but I don't think Philly goes for it, even if you included Chandler.

I think it would have to be a deal where we just absorbed the players--no Curry back.

That would be roughly 20 mm of the projected 36.1mm cap leaving us roughly 16mm---maybe we can send them Douglas for 1mm and buyout Curry for 1mm as well leaving 18mm.

The thing is martin--what if through the back channels they know no lBJ--than what? We could atleast get Turner and resign Lee.

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5/21/2010  11:32 PM
I would do this trade but why would philly include #2 pick in a swap of Brand for Curry? There has to be more than Curry to get Brand and #2 pick. Maybe Gallo?
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5/21/2010  11:50 PM
martin wrote:Knicks have $34M in cap space and Curry eats up $11M. Brand makes $16M next year. The #2 pick would make somewhere just south of $5M.

So, even if you trade out Curry and take back Brand and the #2, you would be left with $24M in cap space. Max player signs for $17M, that leaves you with another $7M.

interesting idea but I don't think Philly goes for it, even if you included Chandler.

we could keep Lee in this scenario? And the pick- when does that start to hold against the cap

Lee
Brand
Gallo
LBJ
Turner

You might not have the kind of height upfront you want - but you're putting out 5 guys all 6'6" or taller at all five spots- Chandler, Douglas and Walker off the bench.

If the sixers really were giving up the 2nd pick in the draft for relief, depending on what Lebron might think of that line up, you kinda got to do it, and Bosh can head to Chicago or somewhere else that doesn't matter.

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5/21/2010  11:53 PM
KNICKSdom wrote:I would do this trade but why would philly include #2 pick in a swap of Brand for Curry? There has to be more than Curry to get Brand and #2 pick. Maybe Gallo?

I don't know that Philly would do this deal. The argument would be that they saved 40 million over three years that the Knicks absorb with Brand's contract. I don't know if Philly has to pay the luxury tax but that would add significantly more savings. Brand doesn't seem to fit with how they are trying to build their roster. My guess is that Philly could get more for the number 2 pick but Brand does have a bad contract that doesn't expire for three more years.
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5/22/2010  5:12 PM
I would do this trade. Brand would essentially take the place of Lee, and you would add Turner and possible LBJ. A team of Douglas, Turner, LBJ, Brand, and Barron would be solid. Plus, we still would have about 7 mill in cap space to sign another FA.
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