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5/21/2010  12:55 AM
One coaching vacancy filled
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5/21/2010  1:07 AM
Not really a big Doug Collins fan, but that franchise needs to get things going, as well as the Knicks. That draft pic is huge for them. They better not f' up.
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5/21/2010  1:09 AM
ej replaced collins, now its reversed. i expect the results will be the same -- fail.
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5/21/2010  6:08 AM
What has happened to Avery Johnson availability ? Is he getting blackballed ?
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5/21/2010  7:51 AM
playa2 wrote:What has happened to Avery Johnson availability ? Is he getting blackballed ?
or maybe he just isnt that good
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5/21/2010  7:54 AM
I don't get why Doug Collins keep getting jobs. : /
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5/21/2010  7:55 AM
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:What has happened to Avery Johnson availability ? Is he getting blackballed ?
or maybe he just isnt that good

isn't he still getting paid by Cuban? Isn't that part of it.

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playa2 wrote:What has happened to Avery Johnson availability ? Is he getting blackballed ?

Avery Johnson has turned down the chance to make a swift return to an NBA bench with the Memphis Grizzlies.

NBA coaching sources told ESPN.com on Friday that the former Dallas Mavericks coach was offered a five-year contract by the Grizzlies to replace Marc Iavaroni, who was fired late Thursday after 1½ seasons in Memphis.

Johnson, though, elected to pass on an in-season comeback, preferring to remain in his role as a first-year studio analyst for ESPN.

"I've said all along [that] at the right time and in the right situation, I will coach again," Johnson said Friday. "I am enjoying my time at ESPN and with my family. I think an awful lot of [Grizzlies owner] Michael Heisley and [general manager] Chris Wallace. I wish the Grizzlies the very best."

The Grizzlies on Friday formally announced Iavaroni's dismissal with the team mired at 11-30 after a 2-15 skid. Assistant coach Johnny Davis has been named interim coach going into Memphis' game Friday at New York, with sources close to the situation confirming to ESPN.com that former Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins soon will be introduced as Iavaroni's successor, possibly as early as Sunday.

Yet it's not surprising to hear that Johnson was the Grizzlies' first choice given what sources describe as Heisley's strong desire to hire an experienced coach to lead and mold a young team that has started three rookies -- O.J. Mayo, Marc Gasol and Darrell Arthur -- in 25 of its 41 games this season.

Johnson, 43, certainly fits Heisley's profile, having posted a 194-70 record in four seasons with the Mavericks for a winning percentage of .735. Before his dismissal in May after two straight first-round playoff exits, Johnson took Dallas to the NBA Finals for the first time in the club's history in 2006.

Johnson also earned NBA Coach of the Year honors that season and followed up the trip to the Finals with a 67-15 season in 2006-07, before his tenure with the Mavs began to unravel with a first-round loss to the eighth-seeded Golden State Warriors and former Dallas coach Don Nelson.

The Memphis Commercial Appeal reported on its Web site early Friday that Hollins, now an assistant with the Milwaukee Bucks, will be hired as Iavaroni's replacement and be joined on the Grizzlies' bench by recently fired Philadelphia 76ers coach Maurice Cheeks.

Bucks general manager John Hammond told The Associated Press that while he couldn't confirm Hollins' plans, the team was thankful for his service.

"This looks like a great opportunity for Lionel," Hammond said from Atlanta, where the Bucks played the Hawks on Friday night. "We support him and wish him nothing but the best."

Hollins, 55, posted an 18-42 record as the Grizzlies' interim coach in Vancouver during the 1999-2000 season, replacing Brian Hill following a 4-18 start. Hollins also went 0-4 as the interim coach in Memphis between Hubie Brown and Mike Fratello during the 2004-05 season.

Iavaroni began the season on numerous hot-seat lists after Memphis went 22-60 in 2007-08. But the former Phoenix, Miami and Cleveland assistant appeared to be safe, at least through the end of this season, when he survived the early rash of firings around the league that claimed six coaches in a span of 23 days.

Heisley even took the step of giving Iavaroni what was generally perceived to be more than a pedestrian "vote of confidence" in early December, telling the Commercial Appeal: "He's my coach and I'm behind him 100 percent. I'm not going to evaluate him now. Marc is not under the gun."

The Grizzlies, though, have been increasingly uncompetitive, toting a seven-game losing streak into Friday's visit to Madison Square Garden after initially playing to some fairly positive reviews, thanks to an 8-8 start at home and the strong introduction made by Mayo.

Sources told ESPN.com on Friday that Iavaroni's tense relationship with forward Rudy Gay was another factor that, in the Grizzlies' view, made a coaching change unavoidable.

An increasingly and openly negative atmosphere around the team, sources say, appears to have changed Heisley's urgency in terms of evaluating his coach. Without naming Iavaroni, multiple players were highly critical of the team's strategy, development and identity in Sunday's editions of the Commercial Appeal.

"We don't have an identity," Gasol told the newspaper. "We don't have one. We run around like chickens with our heads cut off. Youth can be a good thing, but we use it as an excuse.

"We're always making excuses. We make excuses to the referees and to our teammates. We make excuses in practice. That's all some people want to do is make excuses. You're never going to get anywhere like that."

Gay was even more direct with his criticism, saying: "I know the things we're working on [haven't] worked. We ain't got no chemistry."

Iavaroni's supporters would counter that he had little chance to succeed with a group so young that Gay, in his third season, ranks as a veteran. The Grizzlies embarked on a full-fledged youth movement after trading Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers on Feb. 1, 2008, in a deal that was criticized throughout the league.

The Grizzlies are the seventh team to fire their coach this season, which is two firings shy of tying the league's single-season record of nine in the 2004-05 season.

The first six firings all took place before Dec. 25, doubling the league's previous single-season record for pre-Christmas coaching changes. Oklahoma City's P.J. Carlesimo (1-12 on Nov. 22); Washington's Eddie Jordan (1-10 on Nov. 24); Toronto's Sam Mitchell (8-9 on Dec. 3); Minnesota's Randy Wittman (4-15 on Dec. 8); Philadelphia's Maurice Cheeks (9-14 on Dec. 13); and Sacramento's Reggie Theus (6-18 on Dec. 15) were all fired after eight other teams made offseason coaching changes.

Johnson was fired by Dallas just one season into a lucrative reworked contract that will pay him an estimated $4 million this season and in each of the next two seasons unless he takes a head-coaching job elsewhere.

if avery wants to return to the bench so bad, maybe he should stop turning teams down... but of course since he's still at ESPN you view it as being blackballed. and oh yeah, it probably has nothing to do with him being paid 4 million bucks this year for doing absolutely nothing.

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5/21/2010  7:59 AM
Clearly the prior coach was not utilizing Brand correctly. THe main problem with that team is half the team is built to run and the other half is built for the half-court and the coach did not develop an offense that would work with both. But honestly, once they lost Miller, they should have expected a drop off. Collins is not going to be the solution, but that high draft pick will help alot.
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5/21/2010  8:03 AM
PF: Elton Brand/Thaddeus Young
SF: Andre Iguodala/Jason Kapono
C: Sam Dalembert/Marreese Speights
SG: Evan Turner/Willie Green
PG: Louis Williams/Jrue Holiday

No excuse for not making the Playoffs with this squad.

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5/21/2010  8:07 AM
I just want to say I think Collins is garbage- glad I won't have to listen to him on broadcasts. and I doubt he makes it two years.

Does the Sixer front office have no imagination that they have to get with a worn retread?

They'd be better off with a hungry coach- a first timer like a Mark Jackson, Tom Thibodeau or Partick Ewing.

Sorry, but what the Celts are doing- Thibs should be the first guy getting an offer, unless he turned the sixers down outright.

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5/21/2010  8:11 AM
fishmike wrote:
playa2 wrote:What has happened to Avery Johnson availability ? Is he getting blackballed ?
or maybe he just isnt that good

AJ sure seemed to rub a lot of people and players the wrong way. He does seem to be a bit intense probably to a fault. It's also not like he took a crappy team and made it good (like Doc Rivers with that Orlando team that one year). Mavs were contenders by default regardless of coach that year.

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5/21/2010  8:12 AM
Also good for Doug Collins. He can be real annoying to listen to especially when he goes on rambling about Jordan for half of an NBA telecast but other than that he knows his stuff.

Philly is a messed up roster though so good luck with that. They need to make moves. That team doesn't gel.

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5/21/2010  8:15 AM
iSergio wrote:PF: Elton Brand/Thaddeus Young
SF: Andre Iguodala/Jason Kapono
C: Sam Dalembert/Marreese Speights
SG: Evan Turner/Willie Green
PG: Louis Williams/Jrue Holiday

No excuse for not making the Playoffs with this squad.

ahhh... that team sucks. Brand might be done. DONE. He showed nothing last year and looked slow and old. That leaves you with LWilliams who is like a poor man's Crawford, Dalembert who has his moments but isnt making anyone better and IGGY who is a decent player but not a guy thats carrying a team. Add some young talent and you have 30 wins. Not sure what your seeing there
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5/21/2010  8:21 AM
fishmike wrote:
iSergio wrote:PF: Elton Brand/Thaddeus Young
SF: Andre Iguodala/Jason Kapono
C: Sam Dalembert/Marreese Speights
SG: Evan Turner/Willie Green
PG: Louis Williams/Jrue Holiday

No excuse for not making the Playoffs with this squad.

ahhh... that team sucks. Brand might be done. DONE. He showed nothing last year and looked slow and old. That leaves you with LWilliams who is like a poor man's Crawford, Dalembert who has his moments but isnt making anyone better and IGGY who is a decent player but not a guy thats carrying a team. Add some young talent and you have 30 wins. Not sure what your seeing there

Most of these players were in the Playoffs not too long ago and they are adding Evan Turner, who I think is the best player in the Draft. Elton Brand can't get any worse and Marreese Speights is replacing him anyway.

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5/21/2010  8:23 AM
iSergio wrote:
fishmike wrote:
iSergio wrote:PF: Elton Brand/Thaddeus Young
SF: Andre Iguodala/Jason Kapono
C: Sam Dalembert/Marreese Speights
SG: Evan Turner/Willie Green
PG: Louis Williams/Jrue Holiday

No excuse for not making the Playoffs with this squad.

ahhh... that team sucks. Brand might be done. DONE. He showed nothing last year and looked slow and old. That leaves you with LWilliams who is like a poor man's Crawford, Dalembert who has his moments but isnt making anyone better and IGGY who is a decent player but not a guy thats carrying a team. Add some young talent and you have 30 wins. Not sure what your seeing there

Most of these players were in the Playoffs not too long ago and they are adding Evan Turner, who I think is the best player in the Draft. Elton Brand can't get any worse and Marreese Speights is replacing him anyway.

It's a team that looks good on paper (when healthy at that) but there just doesn't seem to be any continuity. They don't play well together. It's not a good mix.

Brand looked like he was going to be a beast of a player until the injuries hit him the past few years. Shame. If he can get healthy he will be a good player again....just not on that Sixer roster.

They need to make moves not pull an Isiah and like the players on paper and muse about adding a "Jeffries" to glue the roster together as the missing piece. Not going to happen with that roster.

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5/21/2010  9:39 AM
Cosmic wrote:
iSergio wrote:
fishmike wrote:
iSergio wrote:PF: Elton Brand/Thaddeus Young
SF: Andre Iguodala/Jason Kapono
C: Sam Dalembert/Marreese Speights
SG: Evan Turner/Willie Green
PG: Louis Williams/Jrue Holiday

No excuse for not making the Playoffs with this squad.

ahhh... that team sucks. Brand might be done. DONE. He showed nothing last year and looked slow and old. That leaves you with LWilliams who is like a poor man's Crawford, Dalembert who has his moments but isnt making anyone better and IGGY who is a decent player but not a guy thats carrying a team. Add some young talent and you have 30 wins. Not sure what your seeing there

Most of these players were in the Playoffs not too long ago and they are adding Evan Turner, who I think is the best player in the Draft. Elton Brand can't get any worse and Marreese Speights is replacing him anyway.

It's a team that looks good on paper (when healthy at that) but there just doesn't seem to be any continuity. They don't play well together. It's not a good mix.

Brand looked like he was going to be a beast of a player until the injuries hit him the past few years. Shame. If he can get healthy he will be a good player again....just not on that Sixer roster.

They need to make moves not pull an Isiah and like the players on paper and muse about adding a "Jeffries" to glue the roster together as the missing piece. Not going to happen with that roster.

The problem with that team is that there are no alpha dogs in that bunch. They need a leader in the worst way.

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5/21/2010  9:41 AM
Doug Collins is not a good coach and has never been it is baffling that he keeps getting hired. I don't like listening to him either. He doesn't know how to connect with people.
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5/21/2010  10:03 AM
I think is a good analyst, a pretty boring one, but good at reconizing certain things...His coaching is less to be disired..Like some said, he has no connection to players ( other then MJ) and that makes him sort of a dweeb.

The one thing you have to give him credit for is his understand of the game.

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5/21/2010  10:03 AM
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playa2 wrote:What has happened to Avery Johnson availability ? Is he getting blackballed ?

Avery Johnson has turned down the chance to make a swift return to an NBA bench with the Memphis Grizzlies.

NBA coaching sources told ESPN.com on Friday that the former Dallas Mavericks coach was offered a five-year contract by the Grizzlies to replace Marc Iavaroni, who was fired late Thursday after 1½ seasons in Memphis.

Johnson, though, elected to pass on an in-season comeback, preferring to remain in his role as a first-year studio analyst for ESPN.

"I've said all along [that] at the right time and in the right situation, I will coach again," Johnson said Friday. "I am enjoying my time at ESPN and with my family. I think an awful lot of [Grizzlies owner] Michael Heisley and [general manager] Chris Wallace. I wish the Grizzlies the very best."

The Grizzlies on Friday formally announced Iavaroni's dismissal with the team mired at 11-30 after a 2-15 skid. Assistant coach Johnny Davis has been named interim coach going into Memphis' game Friday at New York, with sources close to the situation confirming to ESPN.com that former Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins soon will be introduced as Iavaroni's successor, possibly as early as Sunday.

Yet it's not surprising to hear that Johnson was the Grizzlies' first choice given what sources describe as Heisley's strong desire to hire an experienced coach to lead and mold a young team that has started three rookies -- O.J. Mayo, Marc Gasol and Darrell Arthur -- in 25 of its 41 games this season.

Johnson, 43, certainly fits Heisley's profile, having posted a 194-70 record in four seasons with the Mavericks for a winning percentage of .735. Before his dismissal in May after two straight first-round playoff exits, Johnson took Dallas to the NBA Finals for the first time in the club's history in 2006.

Johnson also earned NBA Coach of the Year honors that season and followed up the trip to the Finals with a 67-15 season in 2006-07, before his tenure with the Mavs began to unravel with a first-round loss to the eighth-seeded Golden State Warriors and former Dallas coach Don Nelson.

The Memphis Commercial Appeal reported on its Web site early Friday that Hollins, now an assistant with the Milwaukee Bucks, will be hired as Iavaroni's replacement and be joined on the Grizzlies' bench by recently fired Philadelphia 76ers coach Maurice Cheeks.

Bucks general manager John Hammond told The Associated Press that while he couldn't confirm Hollins' plans, the team was thankful for his service.

"This looks like a great opportunity for Lionel," Hammond said from Atlanta, where the Bucks played the Hawks on Friday night. "We support him and wish him nothing but the best."

Hollins, 55, posted an 18-42 record as the Grizzlies' interim coach in Vancouver during the 1999-2000 season, replacing Brian Hill following a 4-18 start. Hollins also went 0-4 as the interim coach in Memphis between Hubie Brown and Mike Fratello during the 2004-05 season.

Iavaroni began the season on numerous hot-seat lists after Memphis went 22-60 in 2007-08. But the former Phoenix, Miami and Cleveland assistant appeared to be safe, at least through the end of this season, when he survived the early rash of firings around the league that claimed six coaches in a span of 23 days.

Heisley even took the step of giving Iavaroni what was generally perceived to be more than a pedestrian "vote of confidence" in early December, telling the Commercial Appeal: "He's my coach and I'm behind him 100 percent. I'm not going to evaluate him now. Marc is not under the gun."

The Grizzlies, though, have been increasingly uncompetitive, toting a seven-game losing streak into Friday's visit to Madison Square Garden after initially playing to some fairly positive reviews, thanks to an 8-8 start at home and the strong introduction made by Mayo.

Sources told ESPN.com on Friday that Iavaroni's tense relationship with forward Rudy Gay was another factor that, in the Grizzlies' view, made a coaching change unavoidable.

An increasingly and openly negative atmosphere around the team, sources say, appears to have changed Heisley's urgency in terms of evaluating his coach. Without naming Iavaroni, multiple players were highly critical of the team's strategy, development and identity in Sunday's editions of the Commercial Appeal.

"We don't have an identity," Gasol told the newspaper. "We don't have one. We run around like chickens with our heads cut off. Youth can be a good thing, but we use it as an excuse.

"We're always making excuses. We make excuses to the referees and to our teammates. We make excuses in practice. That's all some people want to do is make excuses. You're never going to get anywhere like that."

Gay was even more direct with his criticism, saying: "I know the things we're working on [haven't] worked. We ain't got no chemistry."

Iavaroni's supporters would counter that he had little chance to succeed with a group so young that Gay, in his third season, ranks as a veteran. The Grizzlies embarked on a full-fledged youth movement after trading Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers on Feb. 1, 2008, in a deal that was criticized throughout the league.

The Grizzlies are the seventh team to fire their coach this season, which is two firings shy of tying the league's single-season record of nine in the 2004-05 season.

The first six firings all took place before Dec. 25, doubling the league's previous single-season record for pre-Christmas coaching changes. Oklahoma City's P.J. Carlesimo (1-12 on Nov. 22); Washington's Eddie Jordan (1-10 on Nov. 24); Toronto's Sam Mitchell (8-9 on Dec. 3); Minnesota's Randy Wittman (4-15 on Dec. 8); Philadelphia's Maurice Cheeks (9-14 on Dec. 13); and Sacramento's Reggie Theus (6-18 on Dec. 15) were all fired after eight other teams made offseason coaching changes.

Johnson was fired by Dallas just one season into a lucrative reworked contract that will pay him an estimated $4 million this season and in each of the next two seasons unless he takes a head-coaching job elsewhere.

if avery wants to return to the bench so bad, maybe he should stop turning teams down... but of course since he's still at ESPN you view it as being blackballed. and oh yeah, it probably has nothing to do with him being paid 4 million bucks this year for doing absolutely nothing.


Avery Johnson:
I've said all along [that] at the right time and in the right situation, I will coach again," Johnson said Friday. "I am enjoying my time at ESPN and with my family.

He was the Knick 1st choice until the went with Entertainment Tonight featuring Mike Danphoney.

Avery was known to have been contacting assistant coaches until they told him the news of Danphoney.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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