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Elite
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5/20/2010  8:04 PM
are there any BIG defensive minded energetic players that might be available in the 2nd round where we are drafting?
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5/20/2010  9:04 PM
Jarvis Varnado would solve our shotblocking needs, but he's too unskilled in offense for MDA's liking.
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5/20/2010  9:09 PM
TMS wrote:Jarvis Varnado would solve our shotblocking needs, but he's too unskilled in offense for MDA's liking.

I think he might end up being too small.

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5/20/2010  9:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2010  10:53 PM
I agree with TMS and Briggs and both of their points. I still like him though but he wouldn't necessarily be my main focus, definitely not if we moved up some and maybe not even at 38 & 39... Larry Sanders is a very similar player with similar limitation physically but the big difference between the two is Sanders looks a lot more skilled overall -- Sanders is by far the superior athlete and much quicker -- he's got a much better post game and even has a surprisingly nice shooting stroke from deep that I didn't even know he had -- in today's Combine, he was shooting and making college 3s all around the arc with a really pretty stroke. Who knew he could shoot the ball like that? I sure as hell didn't -- that's a nice hidden skill he has that can definitely be developed into a major weapon..I mean I was shocked -- I saw some real flawless shooting mechanics out of this guy today..The few times I saw VCU on TV, Sanders was always operating near the basket on both ends. Who knew he could step out and knock down 20 footers like that with that type of stroke?? Like Varnado, Sanders is that thin hybrid 4/5 type but I gotta say, out of all the players I saw at the Combine today, Sanders with his usual quickness and that shooting stroke probably made the best impression. He's clearly a step up from Varnado. Similar but better ability across the board (I think Sanders is a definite 1st rounder now, esp. after today -- probably never in question anyway). I know JohnWallace is a big fan of Sanders, he could probably give us some more insight..Back to Varnado, he's only about 6'9" & he does look a little thin but the one thing I've always noticed about him, even looking at him in the workout today, is his conditioning. Remember, he had that one instance where he passed out at practice this year and even today he looked really winded, huffing & puffing when the camera caught him after a drill. I've see that a few times with him now the past two years & I'm a little concerned about that. I just pray there's nothing wrong with him..

After Varnado, yeah I don't know man. Good question Elite. Jerome Jordan is probably the best shot-blocker available where we're slated to pick (JJ may even go a little higher -- we may miss him at 38/39). 2.3 blocks per this year, 2.5 the year before and two years ago he averaged a whopping 3.7 rejections in only 26 mins. I never came away overly impressed with Jordan the few times I caught him live but I tend to shortchange guys if they don't show well and I shouldn't..He's actually got quite a few positives to work with besides the shot-blocking ability: legit height & weight for a pro 5, can score a few different ways, can rebound, looks to be a decent enough athlete with decent coordination for someone that big, etc.. Development-wise he's got some work to do, but he's not someone I'd label as "raw." This guy might wind up being a decent pick for us, all things considered.

After that, maybe we look to the undrafted pool for help in this area -- U-Conn's Gavin Edwards is a guy that may go undrafted that's a decent shot-blocker that gives good effort in this facet of the game..AJ Ogilvy from Vandy is actually a pretty skilled big at 6'11" (esp. offensively) that I like a lot but admittedly, he not much of a shot-blocker (though he is big and always shows nice effort and a willingness to compete)..Or maybe we look to some D-League talent for help -- 6'11" C Greg Stiemsma from the Sioux Falls Skyforce led the D-League in blocks, 6'11" Dwayne Jones (more of a rebounder deluxe/scorer than a big-time shot-blocker, though he can contribute in this area), then there's a dude by the name of Mickell Gladness who's very intriguing -- very similar to Varnado: a little taller at 6'11" but rail-thin. Very raw overall game but he's definitely an adept shot-blocker -- for Alabama A&M his last 3 years: 05-06 season: 3.0 blocks per in 19.8 mins., 06-07: 6.3 in 29.2 mins., 07-08: 4.5 in 30.6 mins...Didn't play a lot at all this year in the D-League for the Rio Grande Valley Vipers but still managed an impressive 1.3 blocks in only 12.7 minutes per contest..Instead of burning a pick on Varnado, maybe we should look at this kid for that shot-blocking presence...

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5/20/2010  10:01 PM
i feel like shot blocking would be nice, but just a big active body that can defend I think is more important... something like Side Show Bob over in cleveland.. bigger if possible
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5/20/2010  10:05 PM

What this really doesn't show is that he is also one of the best passers in the league....though you may remember him winning the College Slam Dunk competition.

Projected to be a bubble 2nd rounder...the Knicks could do a lot worse than checking Marcus out...

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5/20/2010  10:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2010  10:32 PM
Elite wrote:i feel like shot blocking would be nice, but just a big active body that can defend I think is more important... something like Side Show Bob over in cleveland.. bigger if possible

Clemson's Trevor Booker is a big boy that comes to mind -- great athlete, strong wide load even though he's a little undersized at 6'7" or so. He's got a lot of nice all-around ability to work with for a 4..There are other big guys in that similar mold but I don't think they'll wind up being better than Booker and much of a factor in the NBA: Big "Tiny" Gallon's much more concerned with his offense and Dexter Pittman's not much of a defender -- both guy's have big-time conditioning issues. Gallon looked a little out of shape at the Combine today and so did Pittman, although Pittman looked a little leaner than he did during the year at Texas. Still not much of a defender though and he was usually always in foul trouble in college. And when he wasn't he was usually asking out of the games frequently because of fatigue..In 4 years at Texas, the most this guy's ever played was 19.1 mins. a game this past season..

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5/20/2010  10:32 PM
I haven't followed the draft rankings this year. Does anyone know where Jerome Jordan expect to go? I thought he hurt himself by going back but I think he improved skills last year.
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5/20/2010  10:33 PM
Pharzeone wrote:I haven't followed the draft rankings this year. Does anyone know where Jerome Jordan expect to go? I thought he hurt himself by going back but I think he improved skills last year.

Low 1st round/high 2nd I would gather..

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5/20/2010  10:33 PM
Sorry, miss your post Finestrg. Thanks ahead of time.
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5/21/2010  12:02 AM
would love to steal Greivis Vazquez with one of our 2nd round picks... Manu Lite, there i said it... now nixluva can bust on me til next year.
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5/21/2010  12:05 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:Jarvis Varnado would solve our shotblocking needs, but he's too unskilled in offense for MDA's liking.

I think he might end up being too small.

i think as a help defender who blocks shots off weakside help a-la Josh Smith or Marcus Camby, he could be very effective... but in terms of a physical banger who can guard the paint in the low post, the size issue might work against him.

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5/21/2010  2:38 PM
We have to go for Dexter Pittman.

We need a big man, right? So, who's bigger than Dex? ;]
Dude is taller than was expected - he's 6'11.5'' with shoes and has tremendous 7'6 wingspan.
He is great rebounder on the offensive glass, has a good hands and above all he's VERY STRONG. Potentially he'd be good defender on Dwight Howard.

The only issue is his stamina but you can't expect that you'll draft perfect player in the 2nd round. I think he can give the Knicks 10-15 productive minutes from the bench as rookie.

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5/21/2010  3:25 PM
karpik wrote:We have to go for Dexter Pittman.

We need a big man, right? So, who's bigger than Dex? ;]
Dude is taller than was expected - he's 6'11.5'' with shoes and has tremendous 7'6 wingspan.
He is great rebounder on the offensive glass, has a good hands and above all he's VERY STRONG. Potentially he'd be good defender on Dwight Howard.

The only issue is his stamina but you can't expect that you'll draft perfect player in the 2nd round. I think he can give the Knicks 10-15 productive minutes from the bench as rookie.

Just found out Pittman's not participating in day 2 of the Combine because his brother was just shot and killed. Man what a terrible tragedy...

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5/21/2010  3:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2010  3:40 PM
Redcru wrote:

What this really doesn't show is that he is also one of the best passers in the league....though you may remember him winning the College Slam Dunk competition.

Projected to be a bubble 2nd rounder...the Knicks could do a lot worse than checking Marcus out...

That's my pick for 39

Redcru--how about this. Elite level defender and transition player who possesses top-level NBA athletic ability and solid basketball IQ. Great size speed and strength with very long arms. Opportunistic scorer excellent rebounder and passer from the wing slot. Needs to develop jumpshot range pass 14 feet. Thrived against top level competition and was one of the main cog's on the championship Portsmouth team where he lead the mini league in rebounding per minute played.

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5/21/2010  5:30 PM
Just get John Scheyer in the second round.
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5/21/2010  6:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2010  6:22 PM
loweyecue wrote:Just get John Scheyer in the second round.

Another guy who didn't attend the Combine -- He's sick, I think he has mono..

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5/21/2010  6:48 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Redcru wrote:

What this really doesn't show is that he is also one of the best passers in the league....though you may remember him winning the College Slam Dunk competition.

Projected to be a bubble 2nd rounder...the Knicks could do a lot worse than checking Marcus out...

That's my pick for 39

Redcru--how about this. Elite level defender and transition player who possesses top-level NBA athletic ability and solid basketball IQ. Great size speed and strength with very long arms. Opportunistic scorer excellent rebounder and passer from the wing slot. Needs to develop jumpshot range pass 14 feet. Thrived against top level competition and was one of the main cog's on the championship Portsmouth team where he lead the mini league in rebounding per minute played.

I'm liking what I read on this guy. would want to see him in workouts. After the measurements and the combine you should come away with at least some ideas to consider and he is one

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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5/21/2010  10:25 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Redcru wrote:

What this really doesn't show is that he is also one of the best passers in the league....though you may remember him winning the College Slam Dunk competition.

Projected to be a bubble 2nd rounder...the Knicks could do a lot worse than checking Marcus out...

That's my pick for 39

Redcru--how about this. Elite level defender and transition player who possesses top-level NBA athletic ability and solid basketball IQ. Great size speed and strength with very long arms. Opportunistic scorer excellent rebounder and passer from the wing slot. Needs to develop jumpshot range pass 14 feet. Thrived against top level competition and was one of the main cog's on the championship Portsmouth team where he lead the mini league in rebounding per minute played.

I'm liking what I read on this guy. would want to see him in workouts. After the measurements and the combine you should come away with at least some ideas to consider and he is one

The guy passes the eye test. I wrote a post comparing him to Gerald Wilkins a couple of months ago. Gerald was not a jump shooter when he came in either but was one heckuva 2nd round pick. This guy is going to get out on the break and score some easy points play some tough D and rebound the ball of the bench.

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5/21/2010  11:15 PM
I like Varnado
forget his low offensive skills

MDA needs to man up

sometimes you need to fill a need with a player whom is good at 1 or 2 things.
Offense of some game he can develop

All in all NY needs shotblocking desperately and need to establish an identity
with few players whom do 1-2 things really good. It makes a difference.

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