In '06 he was unquestionably the MVP. Its kind of embarrassing because he's a back-to-back MVP winner and he's arguably not even a top 10 PG of all time.

sebstar wrote:A lot of writers sandbagged shaq in '05 because they thought they'd never get another chance to give the MVP to a little, white point guard.

In '06 he was unquestionably the MVP. Its kind of embarrassing because he's a back-to-back MVP winner and he's arguably not even a top 10 PG of all time.

That whole Nash is ordinary is crap. Being an athlete is more than just being athletic, even in the NBA. Nash may have the same veritical leap as Charles Oakley, but he's as quick as anyone. Does anyone use screens better? Any separation and your beat.

I think the premise of this article is entirely off base. It claims that Nash has been validated but fails to bring up that Nash's success this year is in large part due to the Suns reinstating D'Antoni's offensive schemes (Gentry has said time and time again that they are doing a lot of the stuff that Mike did).

Last season, Nash did not look as good under Porter and when Gentry took over, Nash started to get back to what he was under D'Antoni. So if Nash was great with D'Antoni's system before Porter, very good under Porter, and then great again after Porter with D'Antoni's offense back in place, what is the common derivative there for Nash being great?

D'Antoni's system was perfect for Nash's talents just like Nash was the perfect quarterback for D'Antoni's system. I don't see how you can take away from either part as the success the Suns have been having over the past decade is in large part due to both of those pieces.

Anyone that doesn't think Nash is worthy of an MVP award should go back to that season and see what he did. Incredible.

djsunyc wrote:the only player to get robbed of an mvp this decade was jason kidd in 02.

nash is a hall of famer and one of the best players in the nba over the past 7+ years.

dude - and i use that term loosely - you do realize that tim duncan won it that year playing 82 games, 41 min/game, putting up 26/13/4/3 shooting 51% and 80% from the ft line. you have heard of him right? you seriously have to stop commuting with wilson chandler.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:So what does this say about MDA who has had zero success as a coach before and now after NASH

same thing it says about every coach. Take Jerry Sloan... Malone/Stockton = playoffs every year. They retire its off to the lottery. In comes Deron and company. Back to the playoffs. Did Rudy T forget how to coach when Hakeem retired? You can go through this all day.

quite agree... not easy to tell who is a good coach. seems to be easier to see the bad ones: mr mike brown.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:So what does this say about MDA who has had zero success as a coach before and now after NASH

The MDA years before Nash is speculative since you're talking about two partial seasons, bad teams in transition in both cases. Go back and read how MDA came to be the head coach in Denver and then PHX and you can see that neither were good situations. MOST coaches need talent to win or at least decent talent anyway. There are a few guys that actually do better with mediocre talent than they do with supreme talent. Mike Fratello, Scott Skiles and Larry Brown actually favor teams that don't have a bunch of superstar players or have maybe one great player and a bunch of grunts. MDA is not one of those coaches. MDA is not one of those coaches. However, if you give MDA some good talent to work with he can get some things done.

Nash was a good player when he was on Dallas, but if you remember back then he wasn't considered the best PG in the league. The guys people talked about 1st were Kidd & Steph. Nash was very good, but as i've said before, if he was considered MVP good Cuban would never have let him get away. You don't let a PG who you feel is MVP caliber walk away for nothing. Not if it was clear to everyone. That being the case you have to give MDA some credit for the boost. Just look at Nash's numbers and it's clear how much better he got under MDA. Now we're hoping he can do the same for Lebron if he comes here, but only in the manner of winning a title, since Lebron is already an MVP.

When has he proven that..

Please... MDA may not be *great* but he's good. He did win coach of the year that year as well. Of course Brown won it last year and is about to be fired but who's counting

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:So what does this say about MDA who has had zero success as a coach before and now after NASH

The MDA years before Nash is speculative since you're talking about two partial seasons, bad teams in transition in both cases. Go back and read how MDA came to be the head coach in Denver and then PHX and you can see that neither were good situations. MOST coaches need talent to win or at least decent talent anyway. There are a few guys that actually do better with mediocre talent than they do with supreme talent. Mike Fratello, Scott Skiles and Larry Brown actually favor teams that don't have a bunch of superstar players or have maybe one great player and a bunch of grunts. MDA is not one of those coaches. MDA is not one of those coaches. However, if you give MDA some good talent to work with he can get some things done.

Nash was a good player when he was on Dallas, but if you remember back then he wasn't considered the best PG in the league. The guys people talked about 1st were Kidd & Steph. Nash was very good, but as i've said before, if he was considered MVP good Cuban would never have let him get away. You don't let a PG who you feel is MVP caliber walk away for nothing. Not if it was clear to everyone. That being the case you have to give MDA some credit for the boost. Just look at Nash's numbers and it's clear how much better he got under MDA. Now we're hoping he can do the same for Lebron if he comes here, but only in the manner of winning a title, since Lebron is already an MVP.

When has he proven that..

really? winning 54 games with Boris Diaw at center and Shawn Marion at PF in the West which is ruled by size and going to the West Conf Finals isnt getting something done?

Please... MDA may not be *great* but he's good. He did win coach of the year that year as well. Of course Brown won it last year and is about to be fired but who's counting

If he did that with chris duhon, it would be impressive as hell, but in all reality steve nash deserves the bulk of the credit for making every one on that team better then they actual were...none of those players (except for JJ) as proven to be anything more then avg on other teams.