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5/17/2010  2:21 PM
This won't make headlines on Sports Center, but as a lot of us have been saying all along - it's easy to construct an argument that Bosh is the best potential running mate for Lebron. Low usage guys who can hit outside shots are his best fit - which also makes Gallinari a good fit, but this article doesn't mention Gallo, of course.

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The conference finals are under way, but let's be honest: The biggest story in the NBA is LeBron James' upcoming free-agency tour. Nothing less than the future of the league is at stake. OK, that might be a bit extreme, but you can argue that a player of his stature has never been available at such a young age. With that in mind, Insider brings you LeBron Week, a five-part look at every aspect of James' decision. First up, John Hollinger examines the best possible sidekick for LeBron.

LeBron James hits free agency in six weeks, and we've read a lot of tea leaves about which landing spots would work best for him. But today, it's time to turn the analysis on its head: Which players would benefit most from teaming up with LeBron?

For the purposes of brevity and sanity, I'm restricting the debate to star players who could plausibly team up with LeBron next year. Sure, Kobe Bryant would make a great teammate for King James, but I don't see that one as being terribly realistic.

Instead, let's look at what, statistically, might make a player a good fit with LeBron and then work backward to determine which ones possess the most positive attributes.

In order, here are the most important criteria:
1. He will not hog the ball. LeBron ranked second in the NBA last year with a 32.2 usage rate, which doesn't leave a ton of possessions for another ball-hungry player. The fact is, LeBron's teammates will be playing off the ball most of the time, and anyone doing his own thing is just taking the ball out of LeBron's hands.
Additionally, James' strength and stamina enable him to play 40 minutes 80 times per season, so there are relatively few opportunities for a ball-needy player to operate while LeBron is on the bench. This is one reason why many question how a LeBron-Dwyane Wade partnership would work -- Wade led the league in usage rate last year.
2. He will space the floor. The ideal James teammate will play on the outside, not on the inside, because that creates maximum space for James to complete his freight train drives to the rim. The best complements are players who both take and make a large percentage of their shots from the perimeter. To rate this for our purposes, I used a player's shooting percentage on long 2-pointers this season, courtesy of NBA.com.
3. He will finish what he starts. A high-usage player is going to have trouble pairing with LeBron, but a high-efficiency player should thrive. We're looking for players with a high true shooting percentage -- a player's shooting percentage adjusted for 3-pointers and free throws -- since those players can take best advantage of the shot opportunities LeBron creates for them.
4. He will crash the boards. Wherever he goes, James is likely to lead the team in shot attempts ... and in misses. That's why an Anderson Varejao-type who crashes the boards can be so successful as one of his teammates. While few star players fit this profile, there are a couple who supplement their scoring with offensive boards, and they'd make better complements for James.
So we have four key metrics we're looking at for in an ideal James teammate -- low usage rate, high TS%, high offensive rebound rate and strong outside shooting numbers. The "low usage" requirement is relative, as every star will be above the league average in that category; similarly, the bar for offensive rebound rate needs to be set low, since most stars are taking the shots, not collecting the misses. Nonetheless, this at least provides some guidelines for our star search.
Using this data, I created a "LeBron Rating" for each player by taking three-fourths of the player's true shooting percentage, subtracting half his usage rate, adding his offensive rebound rate and subtracting twice his turnover rate.
From that, we get results that neatly split the top dogs on the league's primary LeBron contenders into five groups:

Potential LeBron teammates: a comparison

Player			Usg 	TS% 	TO 	Off.Reb.	Long 2% 	LeBron Rating
Chris Bosh 25.9 59.2 9.6 9.9 46.3 71.7
Dirk Nowitzki 26.1 57.8 7.0 3.1 47.2 69.3
David Lee 22.2 58.4 10.0 8.4 43.9 68.6
Amare Stoudemire 24.4 61.5 11.6 9.7 41.0 66.6
Carlos Boozer 23.1 59.9 12.3 8.2 45.2 65.9
Joe Johnson 25.3 53.8 7.2 3.0 42.1 61.3
Rudy Gay 21.0 53.5 9.5 4.2 40.8 58.8
Derrick Rose 26.3 53.2 9.8 2.6 44.3 56.3
Dwyane Wade 33.2 56.2 9.8 4.5 35.8 51.4
Devin Harris 25.2 51.2 10.9 1.2 39.1 47.3
Baron Davis 24.7 50.1 10.8 2.4 36.0 45.6

The perfect companion: Chris Bosh
Bosh hits every check mark on the list above. He's an outstanding midrange shooter who would provide a fearsome weapon on the pick-and-pop, something James has never really had in Cleveland. His offensive rebound rate (9.9 percent) was in the top third of power forwards, which is amazing considering how often he played outside. His turnover rate was in the bottom third and his TS% (59.2) was outstanding.

Near-perfect companions: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, David Lee, Carlos Boozer
The lesson here: Pairing LeBron with a floor-spacing 4 can be really, really effective. We'll start with Nowitzki, the gold standard in this category. Dallas doesn't have the cap space to pursue LeBron, but that doesn't mean they won't try like the dickens with some combo of Erick Dampier's nonguaranteed deal, talented prospect Rodrigue Beaubois and any other goodies ($3 million and a future first-rounder, for instance) they can muster.

If they pulled it off, Dirk and LeBron would make a fearsome pair. Nowitzki doesn't rebound like Bosh does but is an even better outside shooter; and, as with Bosh, Nowitzki has both a low turnover rate and a high TS%.

Stoudemire isn't as good an outside shooter, but he's solid from midrange and otherwise possesses similar qualities as Bosh -- a stellar TS% (61.5), a strong offensive rebound rate and a fairly low rate of turnovers.

Lee and Boozer are birds of a feather when it comes to playing with LeBron -- they both can stick a midrange jumper but their primary value comes in slamming home offensive rebounds and making hard dives to the basket after they set screens. Boozer (59.9) and Lee (58.4) both had strong TS% and low turnover rates, and are good offensive rebounders; one worry, however, is that neither can defend a twig.

Now we're forcing things a bit: Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, Derrick Rose
On the perimeter, Johnson and Gay would each provide James with a huge tag-team partner on the wing; this might be less than ideal defensively against quicker 2s but would be pretty fearsome on offense. However, both players are more comfortable playing with the ball and neither is a high-percentage sniper; Johnson (53.8) and Gay (53.2) had middling TS% stats and only average offensive rebound rates. While both numbers might increase in a subordinate role, it's not the killer combo that the four power forwards above provide.

Similarly, Rose's game is hardly a perfect match for James. He wants the ball in his hands (second among point guards in usage rate), and while he's a very good midrange shooter, he doesn't have the catch-and-shoot, long-range game that would help space the floor for LeBron when he's off the ball. While Rose is likely to improve in the coming years, and would form a devastating running mate in transition, the combo isn't ideal.

Whole less than sum of its parts: Dwyane Wade, Devin Harris
Let's get this straight: LeBron with Wade would be awesome together because of their overwhelming talent. But it's naive to think that pairing the two stars wouldn't subtract from the output of each. Wade had the league's highest usage rate this past season, is a limited jump shooter and is relatively turnover prone. Playing off the ball, he'd be far less useful than a Bosh or a Nowitzki.

Harris has a similar issue -- he's a straight dribble-driver who doesn't have a role to play off the ball. Like Rose and Wade, he's at his best when he can be the one at the top of the key handling the ball and slashing through defenses. As a catch-and-shoot weapon, he's mediocre at best.

The worst: Baron Davis
The Los Angeles Clippers want to sell James on the quality of the four players they already have in place, but the best of the bunch (Davis) could hardly be less suited to playing with him. A stubborn ball-dominator who shoots erratically, Davis' TS% (50.1) was among the worst of NBA stars. Spotting up on the weak side from James, he'd be more than happy to hoist 3s and, unfortunately, that's a problem, since he converts so few of them.

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5/17/2010  2:38 PM
Its just becoming fashionable not to mention the Knicks in any LeBron discussion.
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5/17/2010  2:47 PM
Vmart wrote:Its just becoming fashionable not to mention the Knicks in any LeBron discussion.

on the contrary - he mentions Bosh and DLee - two power forwards whom might be in the Knicks plans this summer.

though I agree he kind of goes out of his way not to mention the Knicks directly.

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5/17/2010  3:13 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:Its just becoming fashionable not to mention the Knicks in any LeBron discussion.

on the contrary - he mentions Bosh and DLee - two power forwards whom might be in the Knicks plans this summer.

though I agree he kind of goes out of his way not to mention the Knicks directly.

Bosh is not a Knick and Lee probably has his foot out the door. But in general you can actually sense the anti NY sentiment out there. I personally think Knicks are the best possible fit for LeBron. You are looking at a young team that needs leadership I would go to battle with Gallo, Chandler and Douglass and Bosh if Lebron were a part of that. Thats a solid team and will compete at a high level.

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5/17/2010  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2010  3:38 PM
There's one main flaw to Hollinger's logic.

He assumes just cause a player has a high usage rate on one team, that said player would be inefficient off-the-ball. Basketball is never as simple as that. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen ALL had high usage rates prior to them joining together. Now on Boston, they share the ball, and Rondo now has the highest usage rate. IMO, complimentary skillsets is more of an important factor than how much they were the primary ball-handler on their previous teams.

I also think, after seeing Cleveland play in the playoffs, that you can't put it all on LeBron's shoulders to break down the defense inside. He needs to be paired with a low-post scoring big man or at least a PG who can break down the D as well. If I were building a team around LeBron, I'd want a (1) PG who can help break down the D, and split some of the usage rate that LeBron has to carry (bonus points if the PG can hit the long ball and/or defend); (2) shooters at SG and PF who can spread the floor; (3) a center whose sole role is to defend and crash the glass for offensive boards. Biedrins would be great here.

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5/17/2010  3:37 PM
scoshin wrote:There's one main flaw to Hollinger's logic.

He assumes just cause a player has a high usage rate on one team, that said player would be inefficient off-the-ball. Basketball is never as simple as that. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen ALL had high usage rates prior to them joining together. Now on Boston, they share the ball, and Rondo now has the highest usage rate. IMO, complimentary skillsets is more of an important factor than how much they were the primary ball-handler on their previous teams.

agreed. but DRose and Bron don't have complimentary skill sets. Bosh and Bron (and Gallo) do.

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5/17/2010  3:46 PM
Heck we have not only one guy that could be great with Lebron in mind, but we have Gallo, TD and Walker as guys that can catch and shoot. Not only that but when he's not in the game for whatever reason, those players won't crumble. I think we would offer a very good support team whether it's Lee or Bosh. The key is going to be convincing Lebron by telling him the other players that DW and MDA have in mind to complete the roster and make it a contender. Gallo tho could be the clincher in that he's a catch and shoot player on the rise. His size and overall game would only be enhanced by Lebron's presence.
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5/17/2010  3:47 PM
scoshin wrote:There's one main flaw to Hollinger's logic.

He assumes just cause a player has a high usage rate on one team, that said player would be inefficient off-the-ball. Basketball is never as simple as that. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen ALL had high usage rates prior to them joining together. Now on Boston, they share the ball, and Rondo now has the highest usage rate. IMO, complimentary skillsets is more of an important factor than how much they were the primary ball-handler on their previous teams.

I also think, after seeing Cleveland play in the playoffs, that you can't put it all on LeBron's shoulders to break down the defense inside. He needs to be paired with a low-post scoring big man or at least a PG who can break down the D as well. If I were building a team around LeBron, I'd want a (1) PG who can help break down the D, and split some of the usage rate that LeBron has to carry (bonus points if the PG can hit the long ball and/or defend); (2) shooters at SG and PF who can spread the floor; (3) a center whose sole role is to defend and crash the glass for offensive boards. Biedrins would be great here.

I think you need to play LB at the point Bottom line..If he comes here..

IMO There's really only 2 pg's that would work well with Lbj DWill and NASH..

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5/17/2010  3:49 PM
Rondo's has gone up but two years ago Pierce was the point forward and Ray does wonders off the ball to get open.

Rose does not have the skill yeat but Dwayne does to change his "rate".

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5/18/2010  1:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/18/2010  1:11 AM
Also, to add to Hollinger's analysis, I would argue David Lee could possibly be even higher on the list because of his passing ability. Out of all those big men on the list, I think Lee has the best ability to throw a near perfect outlet pass on the break, or reliably find the open man when he's in the post.

If it weren't for the fact that Lee has very little "star" power and doesn't have the draw for FA's like Bosh or Amare would, than I would love to see a LeBron/Lee duo, with a true defensive center in the frontcourt.

Not to mention Lee would likely command 4-5M less, and may give us room to sign some better roleplayers to fill the roster.

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5/18/2010  8:44 AM
Ive said all along your much better w/ Lee + $8mm in other FAs with Lebron than Bosh. Lee, Gallo and Douglas gives you 3 guys who can handle, ball and really shoot the ball. You simply cannot collapse on Lebron with those guys on the floor. Chandler has a solid mid range game and can play 3 positions.

If your talking about building around Lebron having an all star forward like Lee who can shoot, handle, rebound, finish around the basket and shoot > 55% (cant inflate THAT stat) is the best place to start. You can add some size and defense with that $8mm you save with Lee vs Bosh. Its not even a debate (so dont bother Sergio)

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5/18/2010  8:53 AM
scoshin wrote:Also, to add to Hollinger's analysis, I would argue David Lee could possibly be even higher on the list because of his passing ability. Out of all those big men on the list, I think Lee has the best ability to throw a near perfect outlet pass on the break, or reliably find the open man when he's in the post.

If it weren't for the fact that Lee has very little "star" power and doesn't have the draw for FA's like Bosh or Amare would, than I would love to see a LeBron/Lee duo, with a true defensive center in the frontcourt.

Not to mention Lee would likely command 4-5M less, and may give us room to sign some better roleplayers to fill the roster.

I think your two critiques are spot on. Add to the point about Lee, not merely his passing, but his hands in traffic, his ability to finish around the rim, in traffic.

Add in the fact that Lee will probably be a lethal 3pt shooter in another year or two- and Lee might be the best 4 that Lebron could want to be paired with.

And the question about Lebron's usage rate- I've questioned that before - if you are Lebron, wouldn't you want another player that could take some load off you and get you easy shots?

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5/18/2010  8:54 AM
fishmike wrote:Ive said all along your much better w/ Lee + $8mm in other FAs with Lebron than Bosh. Lee, Gallo and Douglas gives you 3 guys who can handle, ball and really shoot the ball. You simply cannot collapse on Lebron with those guys on the floor. Chandler has a solid mid range game and can play 3 positions.

If your talking about building around Lebron having an all star forward like Lee who can shoot, handle, rebound, finish around the basket and shoot > 55% (cant inflate THAT stat) is the best place to start. You can add some size and defense with that $8mm you save with Lee vs Bosh. Its not even a debate (so dont bother Sergio)

fish - would you go Mike Miller or someone like Haywood if you could? So it would be Lee & Miller/Haywood or Bosh & scrub?

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fishmike wrote:Ive said all along your much better w/ Lee + $8mm in other FAs with Lebron than Bosh. Lee, Gallo and Douglas gives you 3 guys who can handle, ball and really shoot the ball. You simply cannot collapse on Lebron with those guys on the floor. Chandler has a solid mid range game and can play 3 positions.

If your talking about building around Lebron having an all star forward like Lee who can shoot, handle, rebound, finish around the basket and shoot > 55% (cant inflate THAT stat) is the best place to start. You can add some size and defense with that $8mm you save with Lee vs Bosh. Its not even a debate (so dont bother Sergio)

fish - would you go Mike Miller or someone like Haywood if you could? So it would be Lee & Miller/Haywood or Bosh & scrub?

I like Mike Miller in scenarios we dont get Lebron. We need a playmaker, but LBJ covers that. If we resigned Lee and maxed out Bosh I would def look to add a guy like Miller who could play point from the SG position and keep Douglas out there for his scoring and defense.

If we get Lebron my first choice would be resgin Lee and add depth. Haywood would slow that group down and need starters minutes, he will also be expensive and look for (and probably get) Dampier type money from Dallas. I would rather roll the dice on Tyrus Thomas, bring back Earl Barron off the bench.

MDA once said he would play LBJ at PF in his system. Lebron can REALLY rebound the basketball, and this is about as lethal and fast a SSOL lineup could get:
Douglas
Chandler
Gallo
LBJ
LEE
bench: Walker, Barron, picks

or

Douglas
LBJ
GAllo
Tyrus Thomas
Lee
bench: Chandler, Walker, Barron, picks

either way those are right up there with the 60 win Suns teams.

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5/18/2010  9:30 AM
i'd sign on for Tyrus, LBJ and Lee.

but i still think the best team would involve LBJ and Bosh. Bosh is just better than Lee. Lee put up his numbers in an open, running offense.

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5/18/2010  9:39 AM
In terms of age, skills and potential, Chris Bosh is the best possible 'Robin' by far.

PF: Danilo Gallinair
SF: LeBron James
C: Chris Bosh
SG: Wilson Chandler
PG: Toney Douglas

I really like this lineup. I see no reason why we couldn't go with Bosh at Center and Gallo at PF. Bosh is 6'10" and he block a shot or two and alter many more. Gallo can also block shots and can't be as bad defensively as David Lee at PF. The perimeter should also be solid with King James, Chandler and TD.

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crzymdups wrote:i'd sign on for Tyrus, LBJ and Lee.

but i still think the best team would involve LBJ and Bosh. Bosh is just better than Lee. Lee put up his numbers in an open, running offense.


we didnt run that offense last year. It wasnt a high scoring offense. Bosh is better, but not better enough, he gets hurt every year and stinks when he plays hurt. Lee is cheaper, as good a fit and a home grown Knick.

Sergio, maybe you didnt watch any games last year but Gallo is a SF. He gets shoved around when he played any 4 couldnt stay out of foul trouble. He also doesnt rebound nearly well enough to play there. This isnt NBA live 2010. You cant just plug guys into different position and think it will be fine

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fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'd sign on for Tyrus, LBJ and Lee.

but i still think the best team would involve LBJ and Bosh. Bosh is just better than Lee. Lee put up his numbers in an open, running offense.


we didnt run that offense last year. It wasnt a high scoring offense. Bosh is better, but not better enough, he gets hurt every year and stinks when he plays hurt. Lee is cheaper, as good a fit and a home grown Knick.

Sergio, maybe you didnt watch any games last year but Gallo is a SF. He gets shoved around when he played any 4 couldnt stay out of foul trouble. He also doesnt rebound nearly well enough to play there. This isnt NBA live 2010. You cant just plug guys into different position and think it will be fine

Why do you continue to ignore David Lee on defense? Chris Bosh is not Dikembe Mutombo but he's 100x better defensively. It's not even close and the reason why Bosh is viewed as a MAX player and Lee is viewed as a $10M player.

And if Rashard Lewis can play PF, so can Danilo Gallinari. I'm also expecting Gallo to bulk up and get stronger for next season. I agree, his best position is SF but if we sign LeBron James, he'll have to play PF.

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iSergio wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:i'd sign on for Tyrus, LBJ and Lee.

but i still think the best team would involve LBJ and Bosh. Bosh is just better than Lee. Lee put up his numbers in an open, running offense.


we didnt run that offense last year. It wasnt a high scoring offense. Bosh is better, but not better enough, he gets hurt every year and stinks when he plays hurt. Lee is cheaper, as good a fit and a home grown Knick.

Sergio, maybe you didnt watch any games last year but Gallo is a SF. He gets shoved around when he played any 4 couldnt stay out of foul trouble. He also doesnt rebound nearly well enough to play there. This isnt NBA live 2010. You cant just plug guys into different position and think it will be fine

Why do you continue to ignore David Lee on defense? Chris Bosh is not Dikembe Mutombo but he's 100x better defensively. It's not even close and the reason why Bosh is viewed as a MAX player and Lee is viewed as a $10M player.

And if Rashard Lewis can play PF, so can Danilo Gallinari. I'm also expecting Gallo to bulk up and get stronger for next season. I agree, his best position is SF but if we sign LeBron James, he'll have to play PF.

hey.. the Suns won 60 games with Boris Diaw at center. So by the Rashard Lewis logic if Boris can do it on a winning team so can Lee right? I like your thinking. Good point.

In case you hadnt checked? Toronto's defense last year was dreadful, and Bosh's defense is NOT good. The are right down w/ NY in every major category. But hey... the Bosh myths deserve their own thread.

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5/18/2010  12:19 PM
fishmike wrote:Ive said all along your much better w/ Lee + $8mm in other FAs with Lebron than Bosh. Lee, Gallo and Douglas gives you 3 guys who can handle, ball and really shoot the ball. You simply cannot collapse on Lebron with those guys on the floor. Chandler has a solid mid range game and can play 3 positions.

If your talking about building around Lebron having an all star forward like Lee who can shoot, handle, rebound, finish around the basket and shoot > 55% (cant inflate THAT stat) is the best place to start. You can add some size and defense with that $8mm you save with Lee vs Bosh. Its not even a debate (so dont bother Sergio)

That sounds really good in the regular season, but in the playoffs you need studs (no perez hilton)...Bosh will command a stronger presence and is just a better talent. Lebron off of winning 66 in the regular season and getting run when it counts. Bosh.

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