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VDesai
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1/9/2004  1:56 PM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44663.htm

How's that for a blast from the past. I'm not sure why Denver would be looking to trade Camby at this point, but it would be interesting to see if Isiah can pry him back, and continue his quest to undue what Layden has done. The question is Doleac+ who would equal Camby? We don't have anyone that fits the bill unless you want to give up a Thomas or Mutumbo, which would take away the positive impacts of this deal.

Still if a 3 way can be done, Camby certainly would be a better fit in a run and gun type offense where he'd play the role of dunker/shotblocker/rebounder. Question is, do we want to have those injury risks again? There might be better options at this point, but interesting nonetheless.
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1/9/2004  3:58 PM
Go after Gooden or Swift not Camby.
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1/9/2004  4:12 PM
Guns.. we don't have what Memphis wants. Camby would be a good short term fix, and has been healthy.
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1/9/2004  4:29 PM
Posted by rain:

Guns.. we don't have what Memphis wants. Camby would be a good short term fix, and has been healthy.

short term fix for what?

Camby does bring energy and that added something to the mix, but he is always hurt, can't hit an open shot, and is a bench player at best. Who do you trade for him?
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1/9/2004  4:41 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by rain:

Guns.. we don't have what Memphis wants. Camby would be a good short term fix, and has been healthy.

short term fix for what?

Camby does bring energy and that added something to the mix, but he is always hurt, can't hit an open shot, and is a bench player at best. Who do you trade for him?

Martin do you really thing Camby is bench player at BEST? I agree about the injuries and the shot. But Camby when healthy and playing well can be a VERY effective player. Defensively he is a shot blocker who can move his feet. The Knicks use to put him on McGrady and he did a good job. Offensively he runs well and hits the offensive boards. Camby when healthy and playing at his full capability can really change a game in a big way.

Because of his fragile health and psych I would not give up too much - but I don't think he's a bad guy to take a chance on.

His stats this year
26 min
7.3 pts
9.1 boards - an excellent number per minute.
2.5 blocks - Same here
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1/9/2004  4:44 PM
Combining Camby with Mutombo would be like how it was when we had Camby in there with Ewing. Two enormous shotblocking presences and excellent size in a height-lacking conference. Our rebounding would also be sensational, with Mutumbo and KVH doing a pretty decent job of hitting the boards. Still Camby's injury questions make him a very risky proposition. And he has the kind of flexible contract that Denver would probably want to hold onto.
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1/9/2004  4:45 PM
How about a Marcus Haislip for Sweetney deal.

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Wilcox for Sweetney

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Kwame Brown for Sweetney and O Harrington (Harrington contract is CAP friendly and they get a young local PF to replace MJs mistake)
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1/9/2004  4:49 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

How about a Marcus Haislip for Sweetney deal.

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Wilcox for Sweetney

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Kwame Brown for Sweetney and O Harrington (Harrington contract is CAP friendly and they get a young local PF to replace MJs mistake)

Sweetney alone wouldn't pry Wilcox who was a top 10 pick and is averaging close to 10 ppg this year and decent board numbers. The contracts also don't match up. However Sweetney/Williams for Wilcox works under the cap and gives LA the PG they desperatley crave right now, as Dooling/Jaric/Overton isn't getting it done. They also get a backup to Brand who would fit similarly into their offensive system. We'd get Wilcox, a nice, athletic young forward who still has a ton of upside and offensive talent. He'd be a nice fit right now behind Thomas, and next to KT when Kurt is playing center.
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1/9/2004  5:57 PM
OldFan: Camby is effective playing next to a post up player. He gets most of his points on putbacks off missed shots. We need a low post presence. Camby is not a solution. I dont think he is a short term fix at all either. He is athletic however and will score some points and be an effective rebounder.

VDesai: The difference between Camby & Mutombo and Camby & Ewing is that Ewing could score in the post or sometimes hit a jumper. Deke's offensive game is extremely limited. They would make a good defensive pair though.
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1/9/2004  6:28 PM
Silver....the defensive presence is what I'm referring to. Of course Ewing was far better offensive player than Mutumbo!
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1/9/2004  6:33 PM
Camby helps us but it depends on who we trade for him. Either Doleac or Mutombo and another back-up player like Williams is as much as we can go for him. Even then, there still seem to be better deals out there for us. Miles is younger and though not a big guy, has more promise in my opinion. So does Gooden. Lets see if we can get these guys for Williams and Doleac or Harrington before we go for Camby.
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1/9/2004  6:34 PM
Martin ... Doleac was mentioned. Hardly anything to over-react about. I love Wilcox for Sweetney and Frank, I don't think the Clip's do that one though. Haislip might be more of a realistic option.
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1/9/2004  6:50 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

OldFan: Camby is effective playing next to a post up player. He gets most of his points on putbacks off missed shots. We need a low post presence. Camby is not a solution. I dont think he is a short term fix at all either. He is athletic however and will score some points and be an effective rebounder.

VDesai: The difference between Camby & Mutombo and Camby & Ewing is that Ewing could score in the post or sometimes hit a jumper. Deke's offensive game is extremely limited. They would make a good defensive pair though.

Agreed we need a low post guy and Camby does NOT get us that. But the best I've EVER seen Camby play was in the Indiana series with both Ewing and LJ out - no low post guys. He can hit the Offensive boards even without a low post guy and I think he would be great with Marbury as he has good hands and can run - I believe this would lead to scoring opportunities when Marbury draws the big guys and on fast breaks.

His defense would be useful because he blocks shots and can cover the mobile forwards that both KT and Van Horn have trouble with. And I actually think our lack of defense is as much of a concern as our lack of post play.
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1/9/2004  9:52 PM
When Mutombo goes to the bench, we have no defensive presence in the Lane. Camby, if healthy, would provide that.
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