This DOES involve some sort of racial profiling, no?

Discuss.

Illegal Immigrants glow in the dark so it should be fairly easy for law enforcement to discern which individuals are here illegally.

When I saw that this Bill was passed I literally screamed at the television. The Bill is clearly raced based and this will now give the police in Arizona license to stop and detain anyone. It is impossible that this law will be administered race neutrally. Even though there maybe some decent cops on the police force this type of law allows the bad ones to run completely rampant. This is a Soviet style Bill "show me your papers" and now the issue that most Presidents have tried to ignore will have to be addressed by the Obama Administration. It's only a matter of time before other states try to create similar legislation this problem is not going away Pres Obama needs to take lead on this create something sensible and humane but at the same time addresses our National Security issues (Drug Cartels, other criminal syndicates, Terrorism, etc).

SupremeCommander wrote:I worked summers in a Plainfield, NJ factory. I worked side-by-side among illegals. I assure everyone here that American citizens were not competing for my job, let alone theirs. Stuff like this infuriates me. Yes, there are costs associated with healthcare and educations for those not paying in. But there are also costs associated with paying for enforcement, litigation, and the deportation of illegals. What's the point? If there is an incremental cost, whatever. You (you meaning the politicians) just paid about a trillion dollars to bail your rich banking donors out. I'd rather pay an incremental cost and maintain my principle than save a couple pennies and sell out my soul. This stinks.

interesting perspective. thanks.

The problem is simple. The illegal immigrants are coming from Mexico. It hurts two groups. Citizens who need those jobs and legal Mexican-Americans who are then profiled or discriminated against because of the illegals.

So how do you fix this? The problem is all the laws are so soft they dont really do anything. Someone basically said this problem isnt going to change until we go find who is illegal and remove them. Now obviously there is NO way possible to do that with blatant profiling.

Now, before you get angry about the powers it gives police, or the unfair ways such laws would be enforced I would ask what would you do? This law was passed to protect legal citizens and businesses that employ those citizens. Thats the whole point. So how do you effectively accomplish that without some sort of blatant racial profiling?

Its 100% the right and purpose of state gov to protect its citizens and businesses by enforcing immigration laws and legal employment.

The question is how?

I lived in a town (Plainfield) that has a massive hispanic population. Some of these guys were the hardest working people I ever met. I swear they are all skinny because they work 3 jobs and dont have time to eat. How is it fair to these guys working so hard to lose jobs they need to illegals who will work for half min wage? How is it fair to the legit business owners who dont want to pay illegals under the table?

Is it this law thats unfair or the problem its trying to address?

If this law sticks it does create a very un-American situation. Its ugly. So what do you do? For those who have objected I agree 100% with your points. They are spot on. We are NOT a "show me your papers" nation. So what do you do?

The government really needs to do something to secure out boarders. It is the ONLY solution. Anything else is just a band-aid

Allanfan20 wrote:You finished working overseas now?

still working overseas but took a week off... first wedding in my family in a looooooooooooooooooooong time

not to mention the lack of booze, women, and buffalo wings is driving me bat****

Nalod wrote:
If there is a need here for inexpensive labor why can't some come here with work Visas?

I understand the economics of cheap labor and those willing to do it where legal's won't. Can't we fill that void somehow with work Visas? And they pay taxes!

I love the hypocracy of making gov't bigger to control borders and "papers" when it suits the Right Wing.

But here is where I have a problem: THEY ARE ILLEGAL! They are breaking the law.

Either change the law or make it so we can control it. Illegals need medical care and either enforcement or protection from police. This costs money. Also there is substantial abuse where we force them to work and pay off their "transportation". For years chinease illegals and legals were about owned by their "sponsers" and it took them years to pay off their transportation costs. This is a form of slavery.

Im torn by the ecnomics of supply and demand and filling a need, Illegals not paying taxes or medical, and the rights of abused workers.

The issue of "can I see your papers" seems to be the least of it. Do we really argue the rights of those breaking the law? Is it really abuse to ask "can I see papers"? Its eerie with that Nazi connection hunting down Jews but we are not hunting down mexicans to beat them, interm them, we are only trying to control those here illegal.

Even if we police illegal workers, there will still be illegal workers. There's illegal workers after the cash small business owners will pay because it is discounted labor. The crackdown might mean healthcare and education systems are less strained, but there are costs elsewhere. I just believe in making it easy for people that want to work to be able to work. I'm in favor of spending moneye on things like NASA or NIH or CDC, where the best and brightest from all the world come to work here because there is resarch monies available. Similarly, I'm in favor of people willing to work at reduced rates so I can get discounted goods

fishmike wrote:Illegal immigration is a problem for that area of the country. It does need to be addressed.

The problem is simple. The illegal immigrants are coming from Mexico. It hurts two groups. Citizens who need those jobs and legal Mexican-Americans who are then profiled or discriminated against because of the illegals.

So how do you fix this? The problem is all the laws are so soft they dont really do anything. Someone basically said this problem isnt going to change until we go find who is illegal and remove them. Now obviously there is NO way possible to do that with blatant profiling.

Now, before you get angry about the powers it gives police, or the unfair ways such laws would be enforced I would ask what would you do? This law was passed to protect legal citizens and businesses that employ those citizens. Thats the whole point. So how do you effectively accomplish that without some sort of blatant racial profiling?

Its 100% the right and purpose of state gov to protect its citizens and businesses by enforcing immigration laws and legal employment.

The question is how?

I lived in a town (Plainfield) that has a massive hispanic population. Some of these guys were the hardest working people I ever met. I swear they are all skinny because they work 3 jobs and dont have time to eat. How is it fair to these guys working so hard to lose jobs they need to illegals who will work for half min wage? How is it fair to the legit business owners who dont want to pay illegals under the table?

Is it this law thats unfair or the problem its trying to address?

If this law sticks it does create a very un-American situation. Its ugly. So what do you do? For those who have objected I agree 100% with your points. They are spot on. We are NOT a "show me your papers" nation. So what do you do?

I think the only truly American solution would be to change the immigration laws. You want to get rid of illegal immigrants? Give them green cards so that they can pay taxes and every1 is happy.