BRIGGS wrote:Wow that is 25 mm per + up for the next 4 years or roughly half the cap. No way would I want that.
It's a team that couldn't win with a bunch of pieces already--I hope we don't get sckered in.

Do we really want to lock Oka4 in for 4more. Hows his health been? Doesn't he also have a (if not bad) history of getting injured? Not sure because I never watch them unless they play NY

I don't buy Gasol/Bynum argument, cause nobody matches up well against those two. Lee/Bosh vs Gasol Bynum is a bs matchup. How bout Howard/Lewis?

bitty41 wrote:If you take on CP3 and Emeka how would you keep Lee?

yup.

IF we lose Lee, Walsh better benefit by sign and trading him. Teams who let good players walk for nothing usually regret it. (ahem, Chicago)

bitty41 wrote:If you take on CP3 and Emeka how would you keep Lee?

Total 54.9

if you have drop Walker's $800k to make for 2 $450k cap holds or something OK. Thats the worst case, but the money is there to make that happen. Not sure why they would give us OK/Paul for what? Future draft picks? Do we buy every first rounder we can and trade that? Hard to see that working but the money does work

We might have a chance to get Collison and even this is probably a stretch. There are 29 other teams in the NBA who can offer better packages. What we can offer them absolutely solves none of their problems besides giving them salary relief.

Yes NOH has a dilemma with CP3 and Collison but it's not that bad of one as of right now.

For the record I don't understand either why we think every team that's in a financial bind is in a mode to sell off their best assets for pennies on the dollar. Start providing examples of teams that have done this. I'm talking about assets in their prime? Have teams let go of very good players or expiring contracts for pennies on the dollar? Yes! But you won't find many examples of this happening with Top 10 or even Top 20 players. Why do we think CP3 is even available in the first place?

Another thing to keep in mind is....If NOH is in such a financial bind that we feel we're one of the few teams in the league that can offer them a package of financial relief.....WHY IS THEIR FRANCHISE LOOKING TO HIRE HIGH PROFILE COACHES THIS SUMMER?<-------Answer this question if all the others I asked in this thread get avoided. Then ask yourself what high profile coach is looking to be hired by NOH if they are looking to move CP3

I mean were we looking to get rid of either Gallo/Lee/Chandler/Harrington for pennies on the dollar because they all are redundant in many respects?

EwingsGlass wrote:

Juice wrote:I think it's comical Knick Fans think we can get a Top 10 player with the assets we're suggesting to give up just because we're willing to take back Jokafor's contract. Seriously we need to wake up from our continual punch drunk delusions.

We might have a chance to get Collison and even this is probably a stretch. There are 29 other teams in the NBA who can offer better packages. What we can offer them absolutely solves none of their problems besides giving them salary relief.

Yes NOH has a dilemma with CP3 and Collison but it's not that bad of one as of right now.

For the record I don't understand either why we think every team that's in a financial bind is in a mode to sell off their best assets for pennies on the dollar. Start providing examples of teams that have done this. I'm talking about assets in their prime? Have teams let go of very good players or expiring contracts for pennies on the dollar? Yes! But you won't find many examples of this happening with Top 10 or even Top 20 players. Why do we think CP3 is even available in the first place?

Another thing to keep in mind is....If NOH is in such a financial bind that we feel we're one of the few teams in the league that can offer them a package of financial relief.....WHY IS THEIR FRANCHISE LOOKING TO HIRE HIGH PROFILE COACHES THIS SUMMER?<-------Answer this question if all the others I asked in this thread get avoided. Then ask yourself what high profile coach is looking to be hired by NOH if they are looking to move CP3

I mean were we looking to get rid of either Gallo/Lee/Chandler/Harrington for pennies on the dollar because they all are redundant in many respects?

There have been suggestions in the media that a David Lee S&T could net us Paul. There are discussions of NO giving up Collison just to be rid of Peja's contract this year. Offsetting this, NO did trade the contract of Tyson Chandler (which would have expired this year) for OK4's additional 4 year burden. Nobody suggests it is a done deal (or even likely) or that it wouldn't require other assets. I am just saying if I can't get Lebron James to sign on the line that is dotted, Chris Paul may be available and that I would put him above many other players that are free agents.

And who originally mentioned this? Wasn't it Berman? So now Berman is credible? So should we believe what Berman says when he stated Lebron isn't coming here? You realize we're trying to get value for Lee and we need a point guard and center. It's obvious why this was drummed up starting with our media. This is the same Berman who stated we were interested in Brad Miller only for it to be confronted by Miller telling us he has no interest in coming here as we probably had no interest in him to begin with.

Here was the article from Berman about Lee and the Hornets

But Walsh acknowledged the $32 million of cap space doesn't have to be used this summer or for a free agent. Trades can now be easily made without matching salaries. With the Knicks still desperate for a point guard, they figure to talk to New Orleans to see if it is looking for assets for point guard Chris Paul, who will be a free agent in 2012 and may bolt the Big Easy.

According to a source, the Hornets are in love with David Lee, a free agent who is not the Knicks' first priority.

"This is the first time we've been under the cap in 15 years," said Walsh. "I'm going to take that as good and see what we can make out of it. All I can do is work as hard as I can work to make that come true. You got to be crazy to say there is no doubt in my mind [we'll be better]. Yeah, there's always doubt on everything."

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/selling_point_U9Soot1O91uSUx2Iq2L7UJ#ixzz0mVTylGnk

And if we're following Berman he needs to make his mind up about Lee are we S&T him to Toronto for Bosh as he stated in Early March or are we moving Lee to NOH?

Juice wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Juice wrote:I think it's comical Knick Fans think we can get a Top 10 player with the assets we're suggesting to give up just because we're willing to take back Jokafor's contract. Seriously we need to wake up from our continual punch drunk delusions.

We might have a chance to get Collison and even this is probably a stretch. There are 29 other teams in the NBA who can offer better packages. What we can offer them absolutely solves none of their problems besides giving them salary relief.

Yes NOH has a dilemma with CP3 and Collison but it's not that bad of one as of right now.

For the record I don't understand either why we think every team that's in a financial bind is in a mode to sell off their best assets for pennies on the dollar. Start providing examples of teams that have done this. I'm talking about assets in their prime? Have teams let go of very good players or expiring contracts for pennies on the dollar? Yes! But you won't find many examples of this happening with Top 10 or even Top 20 players. Why do we think CP3 is even available in the first place?

Another thing to keep in mind is....If NOH is in such a financial bind that we feel we're one of the few teams in the league that can offer them a package of financial relief.....WHY IS THEIR FRANCHISE LOOKING TO HIRE HIGH PROFILE COACHES THIS SUMMER?<-------Answer this question if all the others I asked in this thread get avoided. Then ask yourself what high profile coach is looking to be hired by NOH if they are looking to move CP3

I mean were we looking to get rid of either Gallo/Lee/Chandler/Harrington for pennies on the dollar because they all are redundant in many respects?

There have been suggestions in the media that a David Lee S&T could net us Paul. There are discussions of NO giving up Collison just to be rid of Peja's contract this year. Offsetting this, NO did trade the contract of Tyson Chandler (which would have expired this year) for OK4's additional 4 year burden. Nobody suggests it is a done deal (or even likely) or that it wouldn't require other assets. I am just saying if I can't get Lebron James to sign on the line that is dotted, Chris Paul may be available and that I would put him above many other players that are free agents.

And who originally mentioned this? Wasn't it Berman? So now Berman is credible? So should we believe what Berman says when he stated Lebron isn't coming here? You realize we're trying to get value for Lee and we need a point guard and center. It's obvious why this was drummed up starting with our media. This is the same Berman who stated we were interested in Brad Miller only for it to be confronted by Miller telling us he has no interest in coming here as we probably had no interest in him to begin with.

Here was the article from Berman about Lee and the Hornets

But Walsh acknowledged the $32 million of cap space doesn't have to be used this summer or for a free agent. Trades can now be easily made without matching salaries. With the Knicks still desperate for a point guard, they figure to talk to New Orleans to see if it is looking for assets for point guard Chris Paul, who will be a free agent in 2012 and may bolt the Big Easy.

According to a source, the Hornets are in love with David Lee, a free agent who is not the Knicks' first priority.

"This is the first time we've been under the cap in 15 years," said Walsh. "I'm going to take that as good and see what we can make out of it. All I can do is work as hard as I can work to make that come true. You got to be crazy to say there is no doubt in my mind [we'll be better]. Yeah, there's always doubt on everything."

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/selling_point_U9Soot1O91uSUx2Iq2L7UJ#ixzz0mVTylGnk

And if we're following Berman he needs to make his mind up about Lee are we S&T him to Toronto for Bosh as he stated in Early March or are we moving Lee to NOH?

Since when does something have to be credible to be discussed on a chat board? This is a big game of "what if?". Would you like me to cite to primary sources before suggesting an offseason plan on a webstite using made up moniker? Please. Besides, we all know that Berman probably read the Lee/Paul trade on this site anyway. If we are only discussing confirmed facts, we can just go to basketball-reference.com and recite statistics to each other. As for the retention of cap space, I do see that as a fall back position, but I have stated numerous times that I am of the belief that teams that can arrange a few top tier players are in the best postition to leverage the mid level exception-- where we get Chris Duhon, Jared Jeffries and Jerome James for the MLE, better teams get former all-stars looking for a ring. In that sense, (1) using cap space this year is better than cap space next year and (2) using sign and trades of our own players to acquire players via trade may actually preserve our right to use the MLE this year if we don't renounce all of our players.

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:We project 35M of cap space. For me, any deal with NO would really have to include them taking back Curry's 11M this year. But, even if they don't, you have approximately $10M left to spend however you like (including players that have outstanding offensive capabilities and very little defensive prowess). Me, I am not high on Lee. So, my scenario includes getting rid of Curry for the enormous salary of Paul and OK4 and then signing a max FA to run w/Paul.

Then you are stuck with that team for 4 years. Id rather have max flexibility in 2011. I truly think out of all stars Carmelo Anthony would come to NY.

Excepting a frontline of Gallinari and OK4--i don't know about that. Ok4 is 6-9

IT's not about head height! It's about length, quick reflexes, timing and hops! That's why Ben Wallace was so great despite his lack of overall size. I'm not saying Ok4 is Wallace, i'm just saying that when looking at how that roster would work, the head height isn't the important factor.

Also we're not expecting to be dominant at the C position, just more solid. Our team strengths will continue to be midrange to perimeter. There aren't many post up dominant bigs available so why worry about it. We won't have a chance without a C that can consistently play strong on the defensive end.
It's worth it to make sure we finally have a presence inside to go along with an All Star and Leader like CP3. Yeah it's expensive, but that's the whole reason for all the cap space. Two max players is expensive too. IMO CP3, Chan, Gallo, Lee & OK4 get's you into the top 5 East.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:We project 35M of cap space. For me, any deal with NO would really have to include them taking back Curry's 11M this year. But, even if they don't, you have approximately $10M left to spend however you like (including players that have outstanding offensive capabilities and very little defensive prowess). Me, I am not high on Lee. So, my scenario includes getting rid of Curry for the enormous salary of Paul and OK4 and then signing a max FA to run w/Paul.

Then you are stuck with that team for 4 years. Id rather have max flexibility in 2011. I truly think out of all stars Carmelo Anthony would come to NY.

Excepting a frontline of Gallinari and OK4--i don't know about that. Ok4 is 6-9

IT's not about head height! It's about length, quick reflexes, timing and hops! That's why Ben Wallace was so great despite his lack of overall size. I'm not saying Ok4 is Wallace, i'm just saying that when looking at how that roster would work, the head height isn't the important factor.

Also we're not expecting to be dominant at the C position, just more solid. Our team strengths will continue to be midrange to perimeter. There aren't many post up dominant bigs available so why worry about it. We won't have a chance without a C that can consistently play strong on the defensive end.
It's worth it to make sure we finally have a presence inside to go along with an All Star and Leader like CP3. Yeah it's expensive, but that's the whole reason for all the cap space. Two max players is expensive too. IMO CP3, Chan, Gallo, Lee & OK4 get's you into the top 5 East.

We're not consummating a trade with NOH where we get/keep those players because if we're playing fantasy lineups let's do better. Let's replace Lee and Chandler for Mayo/Gay and Blake Griffin/Ibaka and call it a day.