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unstopaball12
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4/27/2010  9:52 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66220/20100427/hawks_willing_to_sell_pick_milt_newton_could_be_76er_gm_under_brown/

The Hawks are pooling resources to offer a maximum-salary contract to Joe Johnson on July 1. If they are able to do so, Johnson is likely to re-sign with Atlanta.

Sources tell Adrian Wojnarowski that the Hawks are willing to sell their first-round pick for $3 million, to help pay for Johnson's salary.

it is the 24th pick. Maybe we can snatch this from them. I mean we need roster players in the bench Remember chandler was the 23rd pick.


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4/27/2010  9:54 AM

Hawks willing to pay Joe Johnson the max? WOW

This sucks for us. We need a SG BADLY this summer and I figured Johnson would be a lock.

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4/27/2010  9:55 AM
i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?
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4/27/2010  9:56 AM
id still get ray allen for our SG position JJ is a ballhog. while ray allen will ask for 5 million we save a lot
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4/27/2010  9:56 AM
hawks are willing to ante up 100 mil for joe? that's somewhat shocking. but if they don't, it's a huge blow to the franchise.
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4/27/2010  9:57 AM
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

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4/27/2010  9:58 AM
unstopaball12 wrote:id still get ray allen for our SG position JJ is a ballhog. while ray allen will ask for 5 million we save a lot

Just like Camby signed for 5 million right or how Ginobli resigned for 5 million right or how Kid resigned for 5 million right?

Allen has been very good in the playoffs and will earn more than 5 million.

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4/27/2010  10:02 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.
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4/27/2010  10:04 AM
People said i was crazy when i said allen was gonna get 5 million(they thought his price is lower).
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4/27/2010  10:07 AM
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.

i think they do count against cap.

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4/27/2010  10:13 AM
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.

i think they do count against cap.

ah. then any kind of deal like this wouild be an indication that donnie does not feel that he can score 2 maxes.
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4/27/2010  10:14 AM
Can't hurt to buy the pick and have a guy for for peanuts that is young. And forget JJ he isn't taking you anywhere. Even if you give Ray 8-9 million for one year it's a better fit long term.
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4/27/2010  10:16 AM
This is all ok but cause if teams want to starphuch themselves then they have to shed assets to make it work.

We can undo the Houstan trade in reverse for teams to stay cap friendly.

When teams starphuch themselves they have let go of players who are on the rise. Knicks did this for year, and we can them do it themselves.

Orlando can't afford JJ Reddick. Not saying break the bank for him, but a quality player stuck on the bench. Maybe in the MDA system he breaks out? Or maybe they can't afford Gortat as a sub off the bench at that price if they want to keep Reddick? Somthing has to give. We can take it. Neither is the franchise player we seek, but assets are assets.

Gortat would look good next to Dlee. Reddick in our back court works better than Wilson.

JJ has a second cousin from his aunts first marriage that lives in NY. He understands the city and what it takes to live. He also likes buttered rolls and a coffee light and sweet from a corner deli. Gortat got some community.

Maybe we do better with a Russian for the Howard Beach community?
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4/27/2010  10:37 AM
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.

i think they do count against cap.

ah. then any kind of deal like this wouild be an indication that donnie does not feel that he can score 2 maxes.

they do count against the cap.

but i don't buy that joe johnson is re-signing in atlanta. this is his last chance for a big score. and his last chance to go to a marquee team. if Atlanta bows out in round 2 or even the first round, is joe really going to want to stay on a team that hasn't done much in the playoffs?

i've always heard he feels he can be a bigger star - he won't accomplish that in atlanta. he might be a guy who comes to new york. especially because of the arn tellem connection. and the fact that joe knows mike d'antoni's system.

not sure i want joe johnson. but i feel he's the likeliest of the big guys to come here this summer. say we get joe johnson and bosh to both agree to max deals here:

PG Toney / Jimmer Fredette
SG Joe Johnson / Bill Walker
SF Wilson Chandler / Walker
PF Gallo / Jarvis Varnado
C Chris Bosh / Earl Barron

that's not a bad team at all. it's really not.

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4/27/2010  10:42 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.

i think they do count against cap.

ah. then any kind of deal like this wouild be an indication that donnie does not feel that he can score 2 maxes.

they do count against the cap.

but i don't buy that joe johnson is re-signing in atlanta. this is his last chance for a big score. and his last chance to go to a marquee team. if Atlanta bows out in round 2 or even the first round, is joe really going to want to stay on a team that hasn't done much in the playoffs?

i've always heard he feels he can be a bigger star - he won't accomplish that in atlanta. he might be a guy who comes to new york. especially because of the arn tellem connection. and the fact that joe knows mike d'antoni's system.

not sure i want joe johnson. but i feel he's the likeliest of the big guys to come here this summer. say we get joe johnson and bosh to both agree to max deals here:

PG Toney / Jimmer Fredette
SG Joe Johnson / Bill Walker
SF Wilson Chandler / Walker
PF Gallo / Jarvis Varnado
C Chris Bosh / Earl Barron

that's not a bad team at all. it's really not.

I think this is the most realistic outcome of the summer, assuming we don't get LeBron James. I can also see Carlos Boozer ($12M) and Jermaine O'Neal ($5M) instead of Chris Bosh.
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4/27/2010  11:20 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.

i think they do count against cap.

ah. then any kind of deal like this wouild be an indication that donnie does not feel that he can score 2 maxes.

they do count against the cap.

but i don't buy that joe johnson is re-signing in atlanta. this is his last chance for a big score. and his last chance to go to a marquee team. if Atlanta bows out in round 2 or even the first round, is joe really going to want to stay on a team that hasn't done much in the playoffs?

i've always heard he feels he can be a bigger star - he won't accomplish that in atlanta. he might be a guy who comes to new york. especially because of the arn tellem connection. and the fact that joe knows mike d'antoni's system.

not sure i want joe johnson. but i feel he's the likeliest of the big guys to come here this summer. say we get joe johnson and bosh to both agree to max deals here:

PG Toney / Jimmer Fredette
SG Joe Johnson / Bill Walker
SF Wilson Chandler / Walker
PF Gallo / Jarvis Varnado
C Chris Bosh / Earl Barron

that's not a bad team at all. it's really not.

Joe Johnson wants to be PAID like a star. Of course he leaning toward Atlanta since they can offer him more guaranteed money.

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4/27/2010  12:05 PM
I think it's a no-brainer to buy the pick. I'm pretty happy with what we got for the $3mil last draft (i.e., TD). There are ballers available at pick 24. And I don't really want Joe Johnson as our 2. It's not too hard to find scorers in this league. I prefer we draft high hoops IQ guys who can shoot and play tough D.
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4/27/2010  12:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Marv wrote:i'm assuming if we did this that we wait till after the FA signings to actually sign the guy, and the rookie contract doesn't couont against cap space at the time of the FA signings. am i correct?

I am pretty sure rookie scale contracts are already predetermined. Should be less than 2 million for sure though.

the amount of the contract is predetermined. but if we've drafted and not yet signed the guy to his contract then will it count against the cap space? i'm assuming no, but am not positive.

i think they do count against cap.

ah. then any kind of deal like this wouild be an indication that donnie does not feel that he can score 2 maxes.

they do count against the cap.

but i don't buy that joe johnson is re-signing in atlanta. this is his last chance for a big score. and his last chance to go to a marquee team. if Atlanta bows out in round 2 or even the first round, is joe really going to want to stay on a team that hasn't done much in the playoffs?

i've always heard he feels he can be a bigger star - he won't accomplish that in atlanta. he might be a guy who comes to new york. especially because of the arn tellem connection. and the fact that joe knows mike d'antoni's system.

not sure i want joe johnson. but i feel he's the likeliest of the big guys to come here this summer. say we get joe johnson and bosh to both agree to max deals here:

PG Toney / Jimmer Fredette
SG Joe Johnson / Bill Walker
SF Wilson Chandler / Walker
PF Gallo / Jarvis Varnado
C Chris Bosh / Earl Barron

that's not a bad team at all. it's really not.

That squad isn't really much different from the present one that has won 30+- games the last two years. Your essentially swapping Bosh for Lee which is a little + and that is arguable.

Then you're having to live with Gallo at the 4 which is probably a -.

And then yes, its an upgrade to have Joe Johnson at the 2- but how much better is he than Al Harrington?

And MDA isn't going to live with TD as our PG.

Sorry, that line up wins 36-38 games max, and is to some degree capped out for the next five years. The next three years we have only picks that can be bought - typically late first rounders and the MLE to use to improve the team.
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4/27/2010  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/27/2010  12:22 PM
Hawks resigning Joe Johnson for the max saves the Knicks from themselves. Totally on board with buying the pick too
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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4/27/2010  12:39 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Hawks resigning Joe Johnson for the max saves the Knicks from themselves. Totally on board with buying the pick too

Agreed. It weakens ATL future flexibility by overpaying for JJ.

Also the salary on a mid 20s pick is only about .6 mil more than the cap hold for a roster spot. So definitely worth buying.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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