SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks get Blake/Livingston, Reddick/Miller/Korver/Allen, and Gay/Thomas types, resign Lee, and take on some other team's garbage for prospects I really wouldn't consider the offseason a failure. Especially if the team preserves the 2011 offseason. Not as awesome as anticipated but hardly the end of the world

We could have done most of what you said with $26mil of cap space plus our picks and Jordan Hill. So sorry if that's what ends up happening our GM/Pres should be fired. Not to mention the less in the pool the more cash the remaining ones get to take off the table.

Juice wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks get Blake/Livingston, Reddick/Miller/Korver/Allen, and Gay/Thomas types, resign Lee, and take on some other team's garbage for prospects I really wouldn't consider the offseason a failure. Especially if the team preserves the 2011 offseason. Not as awesome as anticipated but hardly the end of the world

We could have done most of what you said with $26mil of cap space plus our picks and Jordan Hill. So sorry if that's what ends up happening our GM/Pres should be fired. Not to mention the less in the pool the more cash the remaining ones get to take off the table.

Well, yes, it diminishes the value of the move. It certainly was a steep price to pay. But let's no tlose sight of the fact the salary dumps where made with three players in mind and none of those three has committed yet. And it's not like it was a certainty that any of htose three would come to New York... the moves were made for a *chance* at them

Juice wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks get Blake/Livingston, Reddick/Miller/Korver/Allen, and Gay/Thomas types, resign Lee, and take on some other team's garbage for prospects I really wouldn't consider the offseason a failure. Especially if the team preserves the 2011 offseason. Not as awesome as anticipated but hardly the end of the world

We could have done most of what you said with $26mil of cap space plus our picks and Jordan Hill. So sorry if that's what ends up happening our GM/Pres should be fired. Not to mention the less in the pool the more cash the remaining ones get to take off the table.

AnubisADL wrote:Joe Johnson at the max. I am calling it now. Seeing as how we gave away those picks Im all aboard with signing guys that can get us to the playoffs.

I hope not, J Johnson avgs 21 pts, @ 45% in 38 mins. Craw avgs 18 @ 45% in 31 mins.....now why does Johnson deserve max money? I am simply making a comparison.

No Lebron, possibly Bosh, Wade will figure out what he needs after he's home for the summer with his teams poor playoff run. The chances of us getting two (really deserving) max players was never that good IMHO, Bosh will probably come here, spend the rest of the money wisely. Find a shot blocker and a couple of defensive minded, hungry players.

93BUICK wrote:

nixluva wrote:THE CAP SPACE WAS MADE FOR A CHANCE TO GET ONE OR TWO OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE.[/b][/size=3]

nixy is right. we´ve been nitpicking over bull**** moves for 10 years. hopefully low-level basketball arguments will give way to amazing basketball here in New York that got me into this in the first place. We'll be able to discuss real games and worry more about who we're playing and how we match up instead of whether we should have kept Keith Van Horn.

From nix's & your mouth to God's ears. I hope things go our way or we'll be arguing whether we should have kept Jordan Hill around the time the 2nd Avenue subway opens.

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks get Blake/Livingston, Reddick/Miller/Korver/Allen, and Gay/Thomas types, resign Lee, and take on some other team's garbage for prospects I really wouldn't consider the offseason a failure. Especially if the team preserves the 2011 offseason. Not as awesome as anticipated but hardly the end of the world

and how does 2011 turn out differently from 2010? Who exactly are we adding in 2011? What kind of talent? There started more and better talent this off season than what is available in 2011.

Cosmic wrote:

Juice wrote:Amar'e Re-Signing

The numbers continue to drop...shaping up to be an overrated off-season

Which would of course please you just fine so you can continue your charade of being a Knick fan while all you do is troll and smash and attack the team, it's players, and it's fans.

I think it's time for a new hobby for you. I'm surprised nobody has made this decision for you (again) as your repeated fake games are a nuisance and meant to do nothing but antagonize people.

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...Meanwhile Amare signing an extension is still likely a prelude to a trade anyways. He's wanted out for some time and the Suns have talked about trading him for some time. Maybe financially getting this done now is in his best interest and then he gets traded anyways maybe to Miami or Chicago (I think Knicks are 3rd on his list). Signing with a new team outright costs a player money (not the 30M BS, but about 7M over the same period of years). S&T's can be problematic and can drag on endlessly. Already being under contract and getting traded is pretty easy to do.

So maybe just maybe that's what this is about.

I'm pretty sure signing an extension rules out the likelihood of a S&T.

To force a trade, he needs to be able to threaten to leave, pick a team he wants to go to (Miami) and leave it up to the Suns to work out their compensation (Beasley & pick?).

Kobe worked out an extension. He's not going anywhere.

If Lebron signed an extension, it officially be done as far as him leaving.

And if/when Amare does, then he is off the market as well.

franco12 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks get Blake/Livingston, Reddick/Miller/Korver/Allen, and Gay/Thomas types, resign Lee, and take on some other team's garbage for prospects I really wouldn't consider the offseason a failure. Especially if the team preserves the 2011 offseason. Not as awesome as anticipated but hardly the end of the world

and how does 2011 turn out differently from 2010? Who exactly are we adding in 2011? What kind of talent? There started more and better talent this off season than what is available in 2011.

for one, the team will be more balanced and competitive. two, the team gets more, better young assets, the team also becomes more attractive.

and please nixluva's previous post for further clarification

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Juice wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If the Knicks get Blake/Livingston, Reddick/Miller/Korver/Allen, and Gay/Thomas types, resign Lee, and take on some other team's garbage for prospects I really wouldn't consider the offseason a failure. Especially if the team preserves the 2011 offseason. Not as awesome as anticipated but hardly the end of the world

We could have done most of what you said with $26mil of cap space plus our picks and Jordan Hill. So sorry if that's what ends up happening our GM/Pres should be fired. Not to mention the less in the pool the more cash the remaining ones get to take off the table.

Well, yes, it diminishes the value of the move. It certainly was a steep price to pay. But let's no tlose sight of the fact the salary dumps where made with three players in mind and none of those three has committed yet. And it's not like it was a certainty that any of htose three would come to New York... the moves were made for a *chance* at them

Yes let's restate this for emphasis so that everyone in New York can finally grasp this concept:
THE CAP SPACE WAS MADE FOR A CHANCE TO GET ONE OR TWO OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE.

Can we finally get this point straight. The failure to actually land one of those players, doesn't negate the necessity to have to clear the space in order to be in the position to sign a top FA. We can't predict that having the Most lottery balls means you'll get the top pick or that who you pick will turnout to be the best player from that draft. Everything has a risk of failure. THERE ARE NO SURE THINGS. That doesn't mean it's not worth the risk.

Also there are many other acceptable scenarios outside of getting Lebron or Wade. We will be building a new team and that doesn't have to all happen in one summer. If we built thru the draft it would take some time for the team to Mature. If we don't get the instant satisfaction of a Lebron or Wade, we'll be back to going with youth anyway. Still it was worth going into this summer with a chance to sign the best.

agreed