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BRIGGS
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4/20/2010  10:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2010  10:36 PM
Wow this draft is going to be great. This really scks that we don't have that pick. This kid is a great great basketball player--I had no idea he was coming out. Absolutely perfect type player for this system.

Go watch some video on this kid.

Dream draft scenario

Wilson Chandler for pick 12 and take Whiteside
Pick 39 and next years 1 to Thunder for pick 21 Fredette
Pick 38 and 3mm to Memphis for pick 25 Babbitt


OK Ill put down the pipe:)

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4/20/2010  10:43 PM
Damn, you got it bad. In two years you will get tired of them bro and will be looking to dump their asses for the 'next' all-star that is currently playing JV HS ball putting up big numbers. You're a draft groupie.
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4/20/2010  10:52 PM
Pharzeone wrote:Damn, you got it bad. In two years you will get tired of them bro and will be looking to dump their asses for the 'next' all-star that is currently playing JV HS ball putting up big numbers. You're a draft groupie.

They never take the guys I want:(

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4/20/2010  10:56 PM
Stop whining. You got Nate Robinson when you wanted him. That should last you 20 years. :-P
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4/21/2010  12:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  2:02 AM
Wow. Babbitt's a good prospect. He's like a quicker, more complete version of James Harden with a better handle. I see a little Xavier Henry & Manu Ginobili as well. Bigger than all of these guys, maybe something closer to Thaddeus Young (he's got some deceptive athleticism -- you wouldn't think it by looking at him but he's not that far off from the athlete Young is)..His decision just came down today apparently...Interesting..

Looks like Kyle Singler's going back for his senior year...One good player out, an even better one in...

Just to touch on Hassan Whiteside for a sec. -- I know these mocks have him going anywhere from 12-15 but do you guys really think this kid goes anywhere below top 3 this draft? Man I don't. It was only a question of whether or not he was coming out this year or next for me. Briggs you've brought up Dwight Howard as a comparison before -- now he doesn't have the complete physicality & NBA body of a D Howard yet but that will come & it'll probably come quickly (as is he's almost there practically - he can stand to add a little more bulk and strength but he's far from some string bean big like a Larry Sanders)...Other than that aspect, this kid looked really advanced for a freshman. I really don't see much of a project here - I think he's ready to jump in the NBA and start producing at a high level right now. And not before long...instant star. Forget the roof, this kid's upside is through the clouds. Through the ozone layer... 7', 240 lb, ELITE shot-blocker already, good post up game, GREAT mid-range jumpshot (something Howard never had that early in his development, in fact he's still working to perfect it). This guy's jumper is solid in ever phase -- touch, release, follow through, range. I think the potential's there for this guy to knock down NBA 3s eventually. Scary...Man sky's the limit on this dude. It wouldn't surprise me if he went 1st this summer -- John Wall I just don't know about, he's good but I don't know if he's as good as he's been made out to be. Wall may not even be the best PG on his own team (Eric Bledsoe)..Evan Turner is awesome and is NBA ready -- but this kid Whiteside might have more potential than both of them. He'd be almost impossible to pass up if you had a top 3 pick. As a big man, I like him better than DeMarcus Cousins & Derrick Favors and those guys are awesome...I don't see how we even sniff this kid...We might be able to trade a Chandler or Gallinari to get the 12th pick or so. This kid won't be there though..Just mho...

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4/21/2010  2:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  2:04 AM
Finestrg wrote:Wow. Babbitt's a good prospect. He's like a quicker, more complete version of James Harden with a better handle. I see a little Xavier Henry & Manu Ginobili as well. Bigger than all of these guys, maybe something closer to Thaddeus Young (he's got some deceptive athleticism -- he's not that far off from the athlete Young is)..His decision just came down today apparently...Interesting..

Looks like Kyle Singler's going back for his senior year...One good player out, an even better one in...

Just to touch on Hassan Whiteside for a sec. -- I know these mocks have him going anywhere from 12-15 but do you guys really think this kid goes anywhere below top 3 this draft? Man I don't. It was only a question of whether or not he was coming out this year or next for me. Briggs you've brought up Dwight Howard as a comparison before -- now he doesn't have the complete physicality & NBA body of a D Howard yet but that will come & it'll probably come quickly (as is he's almost there practically - he can stand to add a little more bulk and strength but he's far from some string bean big like a Larry Sanders)...Other than that aspect, this kid looked really advanced for a freshman. I really don't see much of a project here - I think he's ready to jump in the NBA and start producing at a high level right now. And not before long...instant star. Forget the roof, this kid's upside is through the clouds... 7', 240 lb, ELITE shot-blocker already, good post up game, GREAT mid-range jumpshot (something Howard never had that early in his development, in fact he's still working to perfect it). This guy's jumper is solid in ever phase -- touch, release, follow through. I think the potential's there for this guy to knock down NBA 3s eventually. Scary...Man sky's the limit on this dude. It wouldn't surprise me if he went 1st this summer -- John Wall I just don't know about, he's good but I don't know if he's as good as he's been made out to be. Wall may not even be the best PG on his own team (Eric Bledsoe)..Evan Turner is awesome and is NBA ready -- but this kid Whiteside might have more potential than both of them. He'd be almost impossible to pass up if you had a top 3 pick. As a big man, I like him better than DeMarcus Cousins & Derrick Favors and those guys are awesome...I don't see how we even sniff this kid...We might be able to trade a Chandler or Gallinari to get the 12th pick or so. This kid won't be there though..Just mho...


Hard to compare guys[maybe mike dunleavy jr?] but I think I would slot him in at the combo guard at 6-8. He's got a great mid range game but what separates him from other people in the draft is his ball-handling for his size. He's a good post up player and would be able to mismatch several positions and he's a pretty good defensive player as well. He has every skill ball-handling passing high% shooter in and out innate feel for the game good re bounder hustles/plays hard. I think in baseball you call a guy like this a 5 tool player--he's got every skill.

Whiteside going 12is--it's possible--remember he's not a guy I think you slot into a meaningful position in year 1. But when he puts on 20 pounds he's got a chance to be a first team all NBA defender and that is our number 1 need. Unless we get Lebron James Im not looking at 2010 as all in despite the crazy trade. Just like all sports you can improve through FA and you can improve thru the draft/trades etc... But realistically this is message board fodder and I doubt that the Knicks as a team is even looking into the higher end of the draft. I don't see the Knicks as giving up Chandler when they couldve had Curry for him.

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4/21/2010  11:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  11:02 AM
BRIGGS, how many years away do you think Whiteside is from contributing?

I've only seen very little of him but from what I did see, he was getting pushed around very easily and looks like he will need to live in the gym for the next couple of years.

I also read a couple of things about intensity and immaturity issues. I know he is obviously still young though and can outgrow that stuff. Just wondering what your thoughts are on his mental makeup (i.e. do you think he will have enough drive like an Andrew Bynum to improve during the summer?).

His weak side defense looks impressive as hell. Definitely an intriguing prospect.

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4/21/2010  12:13 PM
s3231 wrote:BRIGGS, how many years away do you think Whiteside is from contributing?

I've only seen very little of him but from what I did see, he was getting pushed around very easily and looks like he will need to live in the gym for the next couple of years.

I also read a couple of things about intensity and immaturity issues. I know he is obviously still young though and can outgrow that stuff. Just wondering what your thoughts are on his mental makeup (i.e. do you think he will have enough drive like an Andrew Bynum to improve during the summer?).

His weak side defense looks impressive as hell. Definitely an intriguing prospect.

20 pounds.

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4/22/2010  8:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2010  9:02 AM
#1

You can see that he has some very nice offensive potential ---his defense and rebounding will be a given.

#2

A few passing clips in this video--looking for more passing clips because he really is a good facilitator and can get where he wants to go or deliver the ball to the right man without a TO. Shooting is top notch with quick release and uses a strong base powerful upper body and body control to get separation either for a shot or drive.

#3


Imagine this kid next to Gallinari at the 2 guard. Looks like he can play some 1 as well at nearly 6-9
Take a look at his advanced footwork on his post up moves and how well he handles for such a big kid
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4/22/2010  11:25 AM
Now I can rock with a guy like this with solid size and NBA athleticism.

Please no Fredette.

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4/22/2010  7:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2010  7:02 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Now I can rock with a guy like this with solid size and NBA athleticism.

Please no Fredette.

We could use all 3. If I had my pick if no Lebron who do you want next these 3 guys or Joe Johnson--I would take these 3 guys if we were playing lets make a deal. Could we make it happen--no. I like what Portland and Oklahoma are doing. I don't think you can leaprfrog progression.

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4/22/2010  7:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/22/2010  9:54 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Now I can rock with a guy like this with solid size and NBA athleticism.

Please no Fredette.

We could use all 3. If I had my pick if no Lebron who do you want next these 3 guys or Joe Johnson--I would take these 3 guys if we were playing lets make a deal. Could we make it happen--no. I like what Portland and Oklahoma are doing. I don't think you can leaprfrog progression.

I like all 3 of these guys (esp. Whiteside & Babbitt) and I agree we could use all three -- with or w/o a big FA or 2. And I agree that we shouldn't throw a boatload of money at Joe Johnson. We've been over this before - I just don't like the idea at all -- the man's a good player but he's a little older now and for the money he'll be looking for, I just don't think it'll be the right move for the franchise (it definitely has the feel of a real crippling move, one that we'll be paying the price for for a long time to come.. Nah, been there, done that. Not interested in going that route again)...It'll definitely feel like sloppy seconds to me if we wind up putting all our eggs in this guy's basket. He's gonna be looking for all-world money and he's just not that type of player. Unless LeBron was on board and he said go get me this guy, I'd stay away personally...

Just curious why you think we couldn't swing a 3-piece like this in the draft. If these guys go where they're currently projected to go, it would have to take a little wheeling & dealing and a little creativity but I think we definitely have a shot at all 3 (again big IF on Hassan Whiteside -- to me he just isn't a 12-15 pick - he feels more like a top 4 pick - we'll just have to see)...I think we actually have some pretty decent assets available to help us move up in this draft --- you figure cash and our two fairly high 2010 2s (not to mention future 2s possibly) should be enough to crack the lower 1st round. Definitely once, hopefully twice. And then there's David Lee in a possible sign & trade (say he doesn't approve a S&T to go to Toronto for Bosh like many predict -- I bet we could put something else very decent together for him, possibly involving a decent NBA player or two, an expiring or two &/or a lottery pick or multiple picks)...Then there's Gallo, Chandler, TD, Walker...I would really make it a priority to shop everyone, esp. Chandler & Gallo (seperately & together) just to see what I could come up with. Good chance we could come up with a higher pick than 12. Rumor had it that we could have gotten pick 5 last year for Chandler... Nothing says we have to trade any of these guys (if I had to bet, the few guys we have committed money to are probably all back next year) but I at least want the idea thoroughly explored. Absolutely no one is untouchable (Lee's been our best player by far and there's a good chance he may not even be back)....I want Donnie to be involved in a lot of different discussions, not just sitting there on his hands waiting to pick 38th & 39th. Call me crazy but I actually think it'll be somewhat of a failure if all we come out of the draft with is those 2 2nd round selections. We need to put a whole squad together basically - I wanna see them go pedal to the metal and be super aggressive with this draft. I'm calling for 3 good players and I think it's doable...I don't think anyone on this board would complain if we got Whiteside, Babbitt & Fredette. That would be one hell of a draft...

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4/24/2010  1:25 PM
Here's a little article on Babbitt I came across:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100421/SPORTS06/4210435/1018/SPORTS

I disagree with Dicky V on this guy. I think he's ready.. Even so, everything I read up until recently pointed toward this kid coming out in 2011. His declaring is a pleasant surprise and I think the right move. The time is right for him to come out. He's a damn good all-around player - I've thought so ever since I saw him a couple of times last year.. And he's only gotten better from when I saw him live (I didn't catch Nevada on TV this year unfortunately)...Babbitt's gonna be a good pro. Nothing left for him to prove at the college level -- if anything, staying could wind up hurting his stock like we've seen with a few guys also coming out this year, namely Willie Warren & Craig Brackins. Both of those two were surefire lottery picks last year; this year, the talk is that they'll be lucky to be picked in the first round (even though it's obvious to me that they both have 1st round talent all the way). Staying beyond what is necessary could definitely backfire and wind up being detrimental esp. if a player's good and has pro aspirations.. Not sure where Dicky V's coming from here -- there not much more Babbitt can do over what he accomplished & showed everyone this year..He'll be a steal for some team if he winds up going anywhere from 25 on down...

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4/24/2010  2:58 PM
You have to think of the three this Baddit kid looks like the best fit. I hope we get a first rounder and look at him.
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4/24/2010  3:00 PM
Finestrg wrote:Here's a little article on Babbitt I came across:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100421/SPORTS06/4210435/1018/SPORTS

I disagree with Dicky V on this guy. I think he's ready.. Even so, everything I read up until recently pointed toward this kid coming out in 2011. His declaring is a pleasant surprise and I think the right move. The time is right for him to come out. He's a damn good all-around player - I've thought so ever since I saw him a couple of times last year.. And he's only gotten better from when I saw him live (I didn't catch Nevada on TV this year unfortunately)...Babbitt's gonna be a good pro. Nothing left for him to prove at the college level -- if anything, staying could wind up hurting his stock like we've seen with a few guys also coming out this year, namely Willie Warren & Craig Brackins. Both of those two were surefire lottery picks last year; this year, the talk is that they'll be lucky to be picked in the first round (even though it's obvious to me that they both have 1st round talent all the way). Staying beyond what is necessary could definitely backfire and wind up being detrimental esp. if a player's good and has pro aspirations.. Not sure where Dicky V's coming from here -- there not much more Babbitt can do over what he accomplished & showed everyone this year..He'll be a steal for some team if he winds up going anywhere from 25 on down...

If you look at all of the things he can do at his size--I mean how many players in the draft like that? When you are 6-9 and can handle the ball like a 2G shoot mid long have athletic finishing ability rebounding passing solid D. I would put him at the 2G in the nBA.

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4/24/2010  5:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2010  5:41 PM
With the two picks that NYK has now. Possibles are such as Jarvis Varnardo and Sylvan Landesburg. Maybe Alabi..if he doesn't get first round and a guarantee may go finish his sheepskin and play in another NCAA. He hasn't signed yet.

I like Jeremy Lin, Trevor Booker as others that might be available late. Swapping proven players for high picks...nah. Buy a couple outright somebody has to need the cap space. Perhaps Charlotte? Maybe their number one and CP# for Chandler

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4/24/2010  9:03 PM
Olbrannon wrote:With the two picks that NYK has now. Possibles are such as Jarvis Varnardo and Sylvan Landesburg. Maybe Alabi..if he doesn't get first round and a guarantee may go finish his sheepskin and play in another NCAA. He hasn't signed yet.

I like Jeremy Lin, Trevor Booker as others that might be available late. Swapping proven players for high picks...nah. Buy a couple outright somebody has to need the cap space. Perhaps Charlotte? Maybe their number one and CP# for Chandler

I think Whiteside would be worth it--as in trading a proven commodity and even waiting a year as he gains his 20 pounds and hones his skills. Were not winning a championship next year. I want to get players who I believe will be pieces that can fit for a run to the finals and hopefully winning it. I think Whiteside is 20 pounds away from being a very close version of Dwight Howard but he has better instinctive offensive skills.

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