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djsunyc
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4/20/2010  2:36 PM
have never really watched either play but it turned out that despite some pretty big games with the bucks last year, sessions is no more than an average back up.

is collison the same story or is he a better player than sessions?

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4/20/2010  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2010  2:49 PM
djsunyc wrote:have never really watched either play but it turned out that despite some pretty big games with the bucks last year, sessions is no more than an average back up.

is collison the same story or is he a better player than sessions?

DC was the most PURE POINT of this draft class no question about it. From the end of January to season's end backs it up. I think the triangle offense isn't ideal for real point guards. Name a point guard who beasted playing the triangle offense? You won't be able to. Flynn looked mediocre as did Sessions. I do feel Sessions is worth the money he got paid but certain styles of play aren't ideal for certain players.

Back to Collison what would suggest his game/season was anymore suspect than the other point guards in his draft class? I had League Pass all year and watched every single top rookie player play at least 5gms this year if not more.

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4/20/2010  3:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/20/2010  3:16 PM
Problem with Collison is he is older than the other PG's and didnt look this good in college. This could easily have been a fluke year for him. Now I will say he looks like he will be a solid starter but this talk of making Chris Paul expendable is foolishness.

Sessions is a good PG with no jumper at ALL.

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4/23/2010  12:59 PM
yea i agree with the post above kahn did a bad job hiring rambis to coach minnesota for the traingle system is a bad system for a point guard. Sessions and flynn in my opinion underachieved this year because fo the system plus you add rubio to the mix? and what if they win the lottery and draft wall? like what i stated in the other topic rubio can be our best solution for the point. Lets face it he wont come here to play in a small market team
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4/23/2010  1:13 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Problem with Collison is he is older than the other PG's and didnt look this good in college. This could easily have been a fluke year for him. Now I will say he looks like he will be a solid starter but this talk of making Chris Paul expendable is foolishness.

Sessions is a good PG with no jumper at ALL.

I think sometimes it comes down to the system you play in.

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4/23/2010  2:30 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Problem with Collison is he is older than the other PG's and didnt look this good in college. This could easily have been a fluke year for him. Now I will say he looks like he will be a solid starter but this talk of making Chris Paul expendable is foolishness.

Sessions is a good PG with no jumper at ALL.

It sounds foolish but it's not because when you have two players that play the same position at a starting level one because the starter and the other becomes an asset to be used to fill a need on the team and NO's biggest need is getting under the cap. Another need is to get rid of the underacheiving players on that team and replace them with young less expensive players like Wilson Chandler or Toney Douglas.

But that still leaves you with the question: why move paul instead of DC? Well Paul is older and just had knee surgery, has a huge contract, and hsnt given any indication that he'll resign in 2 years so with the knicks' cap space they dnt have to match salaries and can drop off all their huge contracts and underachievers all for the small price of one of their two starting points.

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4/23/2010  2:53 PM
Collison could've been a victim of the College system and coach he played for. This has happened many times in the past, where a guy is simply doing what the coach or system dictates, but it's not really an indication of how good they really are. You put them in a different scenario and all of a sudden they blossom. The pro game may just suit him better. The injury to CP3 allowed the team to get a real long look at him and he didn't blink. That's a good sign. They may be ready to take a chance on him rather than keeping the far more expensive CP3.

The recent surgery may also factor into that decision in terms of long term investment. Why keep CP3 when you have no idea how he'll react to the knee injury over time. Why chance it if you're NO? They already had concerns about him resigning anyway. Now they could get out from under his contract early and gain valuable cap savings to boot. I would say don't be so sure that they wouldn't deal with us on this.

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4/23/2010  2:59 PM
Loconixfan and nixluva both make good points. However, I doubt they trade Chris Paul this summer unless they get a top 3 pick. As you said he is coming off knee surgery and a shaky season. If he returns to form he will have more value and the Hornets can see if Collison is the real deal for another year.
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4/23/2010  3:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/23/2010  3:21 PM
DC is the real deal period. I don't look at positions played/age/nor yrs spent in college to base a conclusion about a player. I look at their strengths and weaknesses and provide a basis of judgment whether their strengths outweigh their weaknesses and do they have the ability to improve in the areas of the game in which they're weak.

Take for instance Aaron Brooks spent 4yrs in College as did Battier and yet they are very good players in this league worthy of where they were drafted. For cryin out loud Brooks led the league in 3's made, and is one of a select few in NBA History to make 200+ 3's and dish 400+ assist in a season. I'm talking extremely rare company here. Therefore making him, this season's Most Improved Player. But if you boxed him according to what he did in college well you would have pegged him wrong.

Same with Terrence Williams who closed out the season looking just as much a capable point guard although a forward as the assumed point guards in this draft class. Walking away with ROTM honors for April. Triple Double player waiting to happen, who improved his game immensely.

It just goes to show our scouting of players IMO has been horrific. It truly has been

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4/23/2010  3:17 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Loconixfan and nixluva both make good points. However, I doubt they trade Chris Paul this summer unless they get a top 3 pick. As you said he is coming off knee surgery and a shaky season. If he returns to form he will have more value and the Hornets can see if Collison is the real deal for another year.

You could say, for instance, that Loconixfan and nixluva are cut from the same cloth?

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4/23/2010  3:21 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Loconixfan and nixluva both make good points. However, I doubt they trade Chris Paul this summer unless they get a top 3 pick. As you said he is coming off knee surgery and a shaky season. If he returns to form he will have more value and the Hornets can see if Collison is the real deal for another year.

You could say, for instance, that Loconixfan and nixluva are cut from the same cloth?

that cloth was definitely orange and blue

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4/23/2010  3:25 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Loconixfan and nixluva both make good points. However, I doubt they trade Chris Paul this summer unless they get a top 3 pick. As you said he is coming off knee surgery and a shaky season. If he returns to form he will have more value and the Hornets can see if Collison is the real deal for another year.

You could say, for instance, that Loconixfan and nixluva are cut from the same cloth?

Haha yeah we may agree from time to time because he did raise me and teach me the game but I usually have my own opinions

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4/23/2010  3:26 PM
Loconixfan wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Loconixfan and nixluva both make good points. However, I doubt they trade Chris Paul this summer unless they get a top 3 pick. As you said he is coming off knee surgery and a shaky season. If he returns to form he will have more value and the Hornets can see if Collison is the real deal for another year.

You could say, for instance, that Loconixfan and nixluva are cut from the same cloth?

Haha yeah we may agree from time to time because he did raise me and teach me the game but I usually have my own opinions

a Nix child!!! the board ain't ready for all the love that is about to be brought here.. we might need to bring back isles to balance things out

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4/23/2010  3:27 PM
Nixluva is my dad if anyone didnt know haha I told you guys I was young
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4/23/2010  4:31 PM
Trust me he's got a totally different take on things! I'm just glad I managed to keep him as a Knick Fan!!! You know how hard that is to do with the team being so bad? My Household is all Knicks, Jets Yanks, with a little Giants & Mets sprinkled in there. He's a good kid and i'm glad to see him getting into the the Forum. My other Son doesn't have any interest in this kind of thing. He's more of a Skater Boy, X Games type. Loco and I debate from time to time and it's an amazing thing to see your kid go from not knowing anything about the game to making great arguments about topics in an informed way that I didn't even realize he understood that well. He's a better student than I was so eventually he'll be shutting me down in our debates

I'm still able to kind of hold my own against the boys for a little while, but it's quickly getting harder to do. Damn aging process... really stinks.

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4/24/2010  10:38 PM
well we are all loco to luv the knicks
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4/24/2010  10:40 PM
Father and son, that's awesome. Nixy, I really hope with your optimism that Father Knows Best!
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4/25/2010  9:18 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Father and son, that's awesome. Nixy, I really hope with your optimism that Father Knows Best!

Wouldn't it be great if the arrival of new Knicks fans( the yutes) coincided with a Knick resurgence!!

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4/25/2010  11:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/25/2010  11:10 PM

I like your parenting style, Mr. Nix

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4/25/2010  11:58 PM
sessions & collison

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