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MDA thinks it's either going to be 2 superstars or a bunch of 2nd tier guys this summer
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TMS
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4/13/2010  11:26 AM
for whatever his words are worth to you:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/04/12/2010-04-12_danilo_gallinaris_24_secondhalf_points_lead_new_york_knicks_over_washington_wiza.html

"First of all, anybody you go after, when they come in they'll say, 'Well, yeah, you didn't have me,'" D'Antoni said. "Those are the type of guys, so I'm not worried about (the record). Maybe they do but you'd have to ask them. We're in the position that it'll be either two superstars or a lot of good players."
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4/13/2010  11:39 AM
I think money talks.
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4/13/2010  11:48 AM
If we become contenders by having all very good players, then so be it. Whether it actually happens, we'll see. Should be a loud Summer.
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4/13/2010  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/13/2010  11:55 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:If we become contenders by having all very good players, then so be it. Whether it actually happens, we'll see. Should be a loud Summer.

i think if we miss out on the superstars this summer we should make moves to retain our flexibility to go after a superstar in 2011... u need superstars to win championships for the most part... there have been an exception or two but for the most part that's been the formula for success in the NBA... i'm not interested in just building for the playoffs, i would like to have a championship vision in clear focus & every move we make being made towards achieving that end.

i wouldn't even mind using our cap space to acquire picks from bad teams so we can build up through the draft if that option is available.

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4/13/2010  12:00 PM
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:If we become contenders by having all very good players, then so be it. Whether it actually happens, we'll see. Should be a loud Summer.

i think if we miss out on the superstars this summer we should make moves to retain our flexibility to go after a superstar in 2011... u need superstars to win championships for the most part... there have been an exception or two but for the most part that's been the formula for success in the NBA... i'm not interested in just building for the playoffs, i would like to have a championship vision in clear focus & every move we make being made towards achieving that end.

i wouldn't even mind using our cap space to acquire picks from bad teams so we can build up through the draft if that option is available.

if the team doesn't get "superstars" this summer with cap space, then it ain't gonna happen any summer after with cap space.

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4/13/2010  12:18 PM
djsunyc wrote:
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:If we become contenders by having all very good players, then so be it. Whether it actually happens, we'll see. Should be a loud Summer.

i think if we miss out on the superstars this summer we should make moves to retain our flexibility to go after a superstar in 2011... u need superstars to win championships for the most part... there have been an exception or two but for the most part that's been the formula for success in the NBA... i'm not interested in just building for the playoffs, i would like to have a championship vision in clear focus & every move we make being made towards achieving that end.

i wouldn't even mind using our cap space to acquire picks from bad teams so we can build up through the draft if that option is available.

if the team doesn't get "superstars" this summer with cap space, then it ain't gonna happen any summer after with cap space.

i said flexibilty, meaning not taking on overpaid bloated contracts that will be impossible to unload later on... i'm talking about making reasonable signings of high value acquisitions that can be used as trade bait later if need be.

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4/13/2010  12:20 PM
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:If we become contenders by having all very good players, then so be it. Whether it actually happens, we'll see. Should be a loud Summer.

i think if we miss out on the superstars this summer we should make moves to retain our flexibility to go after a superstar in 2011... u need superstars to win championships for the most part... there have been an exception or two but for the most part that's been the formula for success in the NBA... i'm not interested in just building for the playoffs, i would like to have a championship vision in clear focus & every move we make being made towards achieving that end.

i wouldn't even mind using our cap space to acquire picks from bad teams so we can build up through the draft if that option is available.

I can agree with this except how long are we going to do this for? Are we just going to make moves to clear space until someone finally comes? Or should we just build a team.

And I wasn't talking about just the playoffs either. I meant if we build a team built for contending for a championship with all good players. It's a possible thing.

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4/13/2010  12:23 PM
who are the bunch of good players they are thinking of? Quite honestly, if we miss out on one of the top tier players - there is jack left to pick from.

And if he is talking about Joe Johnson - maybe if he signs for like $8m - otherwise, I don't see how you add a bunch of those kinds of players.

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4/13/2010  12:33 PM
franco12 wrote:who are the bunch of good players they are thinking of? Quite honestly, if we miss out on one of the top tier players - there is jack left to pick from.

And if he is talking about Joe Johnson - maybe if he signs for like $8m - otherwise, I don't see how you add a bunch of those kinds of players.

you dont unless they really fill a need or represent upside or will improve the team.

Briggs has mentioned Livingston and at 24 I would def take a shot at him. 3 years $9mm. Eithe he or Mike Miller. My reasoning is both are big enough to start at SG but both play like PGs. Having one of them would let you start Douglas at PG. He could play off the ball on offense but defend opposing PGs. I think improves us immediatly.

You bring back Lee for $8-$9mm.
A $9mm contract could be 6 years $70mm. Thats a lot but his first couple years are reasonable enough to add other FAs.

You solidify the front line with a guy like Tyrus Thomas. If you can get Camby and or Jermaine Oneil at scrap heap MLE type prices thats an option also. Good stop gap moves.

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4/13/2010  12:33 PM
^^^ and I see that as absolute WORST case scenario
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4/13/2010  12:44 PM
You solidify the front line with a guy like Tyrus Thomas. If you can get Camby and or Jermaine Oneil at scrap heap MLE type prices thats an option also. Good stop gap moves.

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4/13/2010  12:58 PM
knicks1248 wrote: You solidify the front line with a guy like Tyrus Thomas. If you can get Camby and or Jermaine Oneil at scrap heap MLE type prices thats an option also. Good stop gap moves.

Only if they will agree to a 1 year contract. We can sell them the allure of getting your worth up. See DLee, JJSkinny and the like. One thing MDA does is he can raise a players value.

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4/13/2010  1:11 PM
Both of those guy's are high risk injury prone, and can oneal even run up and down the court at this point in his career.
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4/13/2010  1:13 PM
He can raise players values? Is that a joke. One person has shown real improvement this year. David Lee. And that's on him not the coach the guy works hard and would put up those numbers anywhere.

I am so pissed off at the way this guy has handled the season. It's a joke really. Never settles on a lineup and doesn't treat players equally.

Darko is more than serviceable in Minny right now, Hill is putting up very good numbers, Douglas was jerked in and out of the lineup and he was showing the same things early that he has shown now. He had Gallo on the three point line all game and didn't use him effectively, he went with duhon for too long, gave harrington way to much freedom, doesn't know how to coach a tight game.

The man had an All Star at every position with the Suns that's why he was a good coach. Nash, JJ, Marion, Amare and Barbosa was lighting. There is no reason the pacers should have a better record after losing Granger and having injuries all season long. We should be still fighting for the playoffs.

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4/13/2010  1:17 PM
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knicks1248 wrote: You solidify the front line with a guy like Tyrus Thomas. If you can get Camby and or Jermaine Oneil at scrap heap MLE type prices thats an option also. Good stop gap moves.

Only if they will agree to a 1 year contract. We can sell them the allure of getting your worth up. See DLee, JJSkinny and the like. One thing MDA does is he can raise a players value.

that clown cost us multiple picks just to get rid of him... how did his val go up?

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4/13/2010  2:33 PM
MS wrote:He can raise players values? Is that a joke. One person has shown real improvement this year. David Lee. And that's on him not the coach the guy works hard and would put up those numbers anywhere.

I am so pissed off at the way this guy has handled the season. It's a joke really. Never settles on a lineup and doesn't treat players equally.

Darko is more than serviceable in Minny right now, Hill is putting up very good numbers, Douglas was jerked in and out of the lineup and he was showing the same things early that he has shown now. He had Gallo on the three point line all game and didn't use him effectively, he went with duhon for too long, gave harrington way to much freedom, doesn't know how to coach a tight game.

The man had an All Star at every position with the Suns that's why he was a good coach. Nash, JJ, Marion, Amare and Barbosa was lighting. There is no reason the pacers should have a better record after losing Granger and having injuries all season long. We should be still fighting for the playoffs.


not a single thing here I can disagree with
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4/13/2010  2:54 PM
D lee is not putting up those #s on any team, just like nash hasn't been mention at all as a MVP canidate since MDA left the suns and has not lost a step physically..

D lee works hard at tailoring his game with the sysytem he plays in. Gallo positioning himself behind the 3pt line is an option not a given, it's up to him (like he's figuring out now) to shoot it or get to the hole.

You guy's are making up too many excuses for the players we have, when there just not that good.

When Porter took over the suns coaching job, they expected him to have the same success MDA had, but a better defensive sqaud.. he got fired cause he didn't have the type of players to fit his system point blank.

You bring in shaq, and tell MDA to make it work, then threating him to fire him when it doesn't

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4/13/2010  3:16 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:If we become contenders by having all very good players, then so be it. Whether it actually happens, we'll see. Should be a loud Summer.

i think if we miss out on the superstars this summer we should make moves to retain our flexibility to go after a superstar in 2011... u need superstars to win championships for the most part... there have been an exception or two but for the most part that's been the formula for success in the NBA... i'm not interested in just building for the playoffs, i would like to have a championship vision in clear focus & every move we make being made towards achieving that end.

i wouldn't even mind using our cap space to acquire picks from bad teams so we can build up through the draft if that option is available.

I can agree with this except how long are we going to do this for? Are we just going to make moves to clear space until someone finally comes? Or should we just build a team.

And I wasn't talking about just the playoffs either. I meant if we build a team built for contending for a championship with all good players. It's a possible thing.

I agree. The cycle will be endless if the star players rebuff at our offers each year. I imagine all teams are vying for championship rosters, but everyone cant get Lebron, Wade, D Howard, etc. So you sing some pieces now and hope to secure that final piece at some point. But we cant keep holding out with hopes that some messiah will come and rescue us.

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knicks1248 wrote:D lee is not putting up those #s on any team, just like nash hasn't been mention at all as a MVP canidate since MDA left the suns and has not lost a step physically..

D lee works hard at tailoring his game with the sysytem he plays in. Gallo positioning himself behind the 3pt line is an option not a given, it's up to him (like he's figuring out now) to shoot it or get to the hole.

You guy's are making up too many excuses for the players we have, when there just not that good.

When Porter took over the suns coaching job, they expected him to have the same success MDA had, but a better defensive sqaud.. he got fired cause he didn't have the type of players to fit his system point blank.

You bring in shaq, and tell MDA to make it work, then threating him to fire him when it doesn't


sorry but thats a bunch of crap. David Lee tailor's his game? He's played for 3 coaches? 4 coaches in 5 years? All he's done is get better every year and act like a pro. How do you "tailor" your game to shoot 55%? To develop one of the better jumpers for a big in the league? To handling the ball and playing some point forward? To leading the league in double doubles? How do you tailor your game to being an all star? Geeze.. sure do wish some of the other Knicks could do some of that tailoring
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4/13/2010  3:50 PM
knicks1248 wrote:D lee is not putting up those #s on any team, just like nash hasn't been mention at all as a MVP canidate since MDA left the suns and has not lost a step physically..

D lee works hard at tailoring his game with the sysytem he plays in. Gallo positioning himself behind the 3pt line is an option not a given, it's up to him (like he's figuring out now) to shoot it or get to the hole.

You guy's are making up too many excuses for the players we have, when there just not that good.

When Porter took over the suns coaching job, they expected him to have the same success MDA had, but a better defensive sqaud.. he got fired cause he didn't have the type of players to fit his system point blank.

You bring in shaq, and tell MDA to make it work, then threating him to fire him when it doesn't

i sure hope the coaching staff is telling gallo: hey, dont settle for a contested 3 or long range 2 unless they are clear shots... take it to the rim if you have a height advantage and even if not, try and do so and draw contact.

you cant blame this set of players wholly... there doesnt appear to be a lot of coaching going on since you keep seeing the same things. if it isnt coaching, even the players we would want to keep are not listening or cant translate things to a real game.

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