Greg Popovich of SA Spurs

Mike Woodson of Atl Hawks

Nate McMillan of Port Trailblazers

Even Rick Adelman of the recently elimated Houston Rockets.

This year these coaches done better coaching job and thus Better coach than MDA
doing more with less sometimes in their lineups.

All NBA has injuries but no excuses Spurs played ton of games without Tony Parker and 1/2 that with
no Manu Ginobilli, with Tim Duncan getting up in years and SPURs were still very competitive.

Other than SPURs no other team above mentioned has real legit #1 Tier level 1 superstar perhaps
closest being Trailblazers allstar Brandon Roy whom also injury prone all season

Hawks Joe Johnson at most hawks BEST player but is 2nd level star under LBJ, Wade and Kobe.
Skiles has No Superstars. Rick Adelman has no superstars with a capable leading guard Aaron
Brooks kept Rockets in things all season.

Dont care what the consensus is MDA of Knicks can't hold a candle stick to any of these coaches
this season Knicks 2nd poor season losing record under the great legend Mike D'Antoni.

Nate McMillan gets injury bug to his guys yr after yr and Blazers will win 50 this yr.
Imagine that Mike!

Skiles lost his best player and Milw. Won /loss has not gone wayward or in the toilet.

All these teams I cited preach and prioritize defense. I dont think for 1sec if MDA was on
1/2 these teams it necessarily transalates into identical same winning records. Nope.

July 1 Mike, we'll see what is so good or bad about this great legend of the West leading
the knicks.

After That and camp in 2010/11 Its open season for MDA and his hefty as hell Knick contract!

nixluva wrote:Since MDA isn't coaching any of those team it's impossible to know how they would've done. In the end who cares? The idea is to try and win a title, not win brownie points for doing good with a bad roster! When we have a team capable of winning I think MDA will do better. He's not a grind it out with defense and slowed down tempo kind of coach. Some of those guys are great doing that and not winning with talent. Case in point is Mike Fratello. He got a rep for being a guy who did better with teams when he could grind it out and he really did find success doing that. However he lost his job for the same reasons. He wasn't comfortable with more talent. It was perceived that he tended to hold them back with his controlling ways. There are other examples of coaches like that. They look great with mediocre talent, but don't do as well with great talent. I think MDA is more of a guy you can get more mileage out of when he has talent to work with.

I dont buy the fact the knicks dont have any talent. Its not about the losses, its not even about
the playoffs. Its how the team loses and progress.

MDA says after a terrific December 2009 "We can beat anybody" Now look at him.
Any team coach can do best with more or great talent.

You mention Fratello and holding them back as a controlling coach.
You think for 1 sec MDA isnt a control coach ?
Pleeeesee
give me a break

I'm sure MDA will do better once helps out for talent needs and gaps
But dont do MDA any favors here and cut him any Slack. For what ?
2 losing record season with sketchy progress or none at all

You undercut the jobs the coaches I mentioned made.
Yes its winning a title and all about that I've seen the Knicks last title

WE ain't close currently and this coach has done a lousy job and I'm gonna keep running my
mouth about the coach and lack of what I see especially when he rips a poor Rookie 1st round
pick whom wasnt a savior but branded by MDA as a "Bad rookie"

What the heck is that for ?
Does MDA has to have a team full of Steve Nash's or Olympic squad guys.
Nate McMillan the underrated Blazer coach says it best working with MDA that MDA DONT Like big
guys period. Feels it impacts his concepts and puts the game in slo-mo instead of over 65mph
Not once is defense cited here in NY as part of a plan under MDA

Not once in Phoenix land when Shaq got there.

Not once when MDA coached the Nuggets whom rep was ABA high flying running and outshoot teams
whom didnt win under MDA.

You can cut slack for MDA last year as Knick coach, I do for any 1st year guy.
This season 2nd in 3 yrs plan I aint cutting MDA Squat in what I call a lousy coaching
effort using any excuse, FAs not here yet or whatever he can make up.

Knicks has been horrible and look no further than Mr. Mike D'Antoni

i think we only have the wings to run dantoni's system. david lee is a nice player but he needs a center that can play inside/out in that order and cover dlee's defense. If the center can do that, hes an ALL STAR.

he produces a lot of stats playing at center but those stats are very misleading because he cant generate wins alone, especially if hes of the near max contracts we probably will decide to give.

i have mixed feelings about keeping lee. I wouldnt be opposed to doing a sign and trade if we can get expirings 2 late draft picks and a young player back. or 2 first round picks one being a lottery and one low. or one high pick with 2 young players with a chance to blow up.

i mean hes the only player that has been steadily improving EVERY year but truth is he needs an all star caliber center to play with him if u want to generate consistant W's.

Everyone knows we didn't have MDA type players at key positions cuz this wasn't the real team we're trying to build. It's the one we're tearing down. Now we get to put together the new foundation and see where that leads.

Cosmic wrote:Another hate the coach thread without taking into consideration the past two years were spent tearing down the roster. The players weren't here to win they were here to expire. The coach wasn't here to make the playoffs he was here to be a part of the rebuilding of the team. The coach is here to coach the FUTURE team to wins.

But, well...I dunno. I swear there are far too many fans that think we traded for Harrington and Hughes with the intent on winning the title. It amazes me that a single fan doesn't understand what this team has been about the past two years and... what we have done and what it could lead to.

But, well, fire Walsh, fire Mike, trade for Zach and Baron and Maggette, give Jordan Hill the max. Blah blah blah.

Blah blah ...blah
And we going to only fault the players eh ?
Look I wasnt one of those whom ever believe for 1 single moment when MDA was hired (which I liked) That NBA playoffs was
in the fold. do you take me for a fool ?

There was plan here when Walsh was brought in and MDA.
But since the prior Coach was axed (Zeke deservingly so) the commercials came about same time about Playoffs with Nate and
QRich in those commercials. Late last fall when NY won 9 or 10 of 12 games Mr MDA cited "We can beat anybody " In NY post.

I dont even care about playoffs I care how team plays and what is being built toward.
We all will point fingers at Dolan, Mr Walsh and even still talked how Zeke Thomas messed up this team
but no one wants to hear a faint of whispers about anything MDA is doing.

Let me tell you if Lenny Wilkens or playoff coach bound Larry Brown (both 1 season wonders) were here and had same 2 season
outlook and coaching effort as the $$ Mike D'Antoni we would have called for both Wilkens and Brown's heads from Jan 1 already
to be fired.

I did not post this about inciting a firing either if you read title of post.
This guy has done a lousy job to his own admission. He criticised folks on the team whom never got into the scheme of things
here and we know who they were. He jerked around a few rookies (I'll give him rookie pass) however MDA had no right whatsoever
to cite Jordan Hill as a 'bad rookie'. MDA's is hippocratical there since he one day tells you Hill does all these good things
in practice and now he says he was a bad rookie, mixed signals there.

He was for Tracy -Mac deal and now he's already confided probably early on that T-Mac coming back isnt good idea for NY and
for Mike's plans, we cant even get out of 82 game season and he's already got his mind made up.

We hear MDA love having David Lee back (whom wouldn't ?) but I'm sure he'll put his dibs in since he knows Lee can play Center
position for him and MDA could care less whether Lee is real pivot man OR not. You can write that in stone

All in all this aint a post about firing the coach, its telling it like it is. Knicks sux and 2 straight poor seasons with questionable chance at FA whether 2010 this yr or next yr 2011 as far as guys whom wanna come here. Guess it hurts to tell
how some Knicks fans really feel

But don't for 1 sec take the coach out of this equation and possibilities of things here.
NEVER

Skiles has more than have of his team with trades and guys on BUCKS whom havent played with each other that much
and what are they ? 45-35 or 45-36 ? I dont even care if that didnt qualify for playoffs.

I want Knicks to win whole thing.
Until we see all the pieces MDA can stay here for 20 yrs as long as he doesnt get the size, defense, PG and his
philosophies straight then he'll never win here.

Dont see why Dolan, Walsh , Zeke and any or everyone else should get D+ marks and MDA being taken out of this discussion

IF team losses 50 games again what ya going to say eh ?

Some folks consider Lee an allstar and NY best player.
cool I aint sure on that

However if young guys like Chris Paul can come in league with a raw squad and the ax-ed Byron Scott wins 50+ games
with the lack of talent they had then at least that team was building something and the coaching Scott did was
something good for the franchise. Its ashame the owners don't realize it for Hornets then.

They are lots of teams without big elite players, until you get one you still throw up the ball and work on
facets to build a winning like Defense.

MDA dont care much for D' although his taped MSG shows he talks a good talk & walk about his Defensive schemes
we never seen or got much of this season.

nixluva wrote:Since MDA isn't coaching any of those team it's impossible to know how they would've done. In the end who cares? The idea is to try and win a title, not win brownie points for doing good with a bad roster! When we have a team capable of winning I think MDA will do better. He's not a grind it out with defense and slowed down tempo kind of coach. Some of those guys are great doing that and not winning with talent. Case in point is Mike Fratello. He got a rep for being a guy who did better with teams when he could grind it out and he really did find success doing that. However he lost his job for the same reasons. He wasn't comfortable with more talent. It was perceived that he tended to hold them back with his controlling ways. There are other examples of coaches like that. They look great with mediocre talent, but don't do as well with great talent. I think MDA is more of a guy you can get more mileage out of when he has talent to work with.

Papabear Says
Look Mike D'Antonis system suck. It sucks in plain English. As far back as I could remember the Knicks were known for defense. Defense. Not the girlee type of game run and shoot with no defense. You can have this old west coast run and gun game. I want a tough Defensive team and Mike D can't give it to us. The only players Mike D will attract will be shelfish players who play no defense. I don't like the Knicks game weather win or loose. I can't take this run and gun. The old Knicks knocked you on your butt. This team give you a clear path to the basket everytime down the court.

CrushAlot wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Another hate the coach thread without taking into consideration the past two years were spent tearing down the roster. The players weren't here to win they were here to expire. The coach wasn't here to make the playoffs he was here to be a part of the rebuilding of the team. The coach is here to coach the FUTURE team to wins.

But, well...I dunno. I swear there are far too many fans that think we traded for Harrington and Hughes with the intent on winning the title. It amazes me that a single fan doesn't understand what this team has been about the past two years and... what we have done and what it could lead to.

But, well, fire Walsh, fire Mike, trade for Zach and Baron and Maggette, give Jordan Hill the max. Blah blah blah.

If you discount the last two years, forget about the fact that D'Antoni in a total rebuilding situation didn't play Douglas or Hill all season, and when he finally played Douglas it conicided with Donnie Walsh traveling with the team and evaluating the players and coaching staff on the March road trip I think you need to look at his rate of success without Steve Nash during the other two years he coached that Nash was not his point guard. He won at a rate just under 32%. I think D'Antoni's success in Phoenix was because he had Nash and two other perenial all stars on his team. When people talk about those Phoenix teams they forget how talented Marion was in his prime. D'Antoni has yet to make players better because of his presence and coaching in my opinion.

agree w/you

Last time MDA had success and winning (playoffs) was Shaq's 1st season as a Phoenix Sun.
There MDA gave notion all was ok, gave kudo's for Shaq being on team but also behind doors
Shaq was NEVER ever accepted by MDA.

Reason MDA and gm/pres Steve Kerr fought bitterly.
MDA is two faced, since Shaq came and though Suns won but were bounced out by better teams
even S.Nash gave Shaq credit for the presence he offered but MDA could not like the game
changes Shaq brought to MDA's selfish scheme of playing NBA basketball

Thus when Sun's went down MDA was perhaps privately happy the Shaq experiment didnt work
Dont tell S.Nash that, injuries all kinda things came into fold and even with Shaq SUNs were
not picked to win NBA West. Shaq's second season was good and better as he tried to blend
into what SUNs needed.

However MDA was gone by then.

You tell me Shaq's got 4 rings and titles and though he is a player (aging) and not a coach
Coach MDA has no titles & MDA has problem making the shaq experiment work.

Dont that tell you something ? a Future hall of famer ain't good enough for MDA's system
This man MDA gotta be joking, at those last days in Phoenix!