Notice a trend?

BRIGGS, I'm sick of the losing too but the difference between now and the Isiah era is that even though we are losing right now, we are still going forward by gaining a lot of flexibility to improve quickly. Walsh has made several mistakes in my opinion, but overall, I think it's hard to deny that we are moving in the right direction.

Someone is going to come in here and say "Yeah, well pretty much all those guys you listed were obtained through the draft."

Donnie is obviously trying it a different way. We can't say that it will/won't work because we obviously have never seen the franchise with the biggest stage go all in like this.

It's awfully risky but hell, let's see if it works.

Hey, mang can I make a suggestion? How about starting a thread with just your personal thoughts and players you wanna dyckride and all that and making it a sticky. House of Briggs or some shyt. Will that satisfy you?

s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.

TMS wrote:

s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.

Actually TMS - the suns got Nash through FA - but they also had Amare, and he came through the draft.

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.

Actually TMS - the suns got Nash through FA - but they also had Amare, and he came through the draft.

true enough, but i think it's fair to say Nash was the engine that drove those teams... but you're right, they used their draft just like those other teams did to acquire a guy they could build around... whether Gallo turns out to be an Amare level prospect or not is yet to be determined, but he's not been the impact rookie Amare was when he came into the league, i think that's fair.

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

i think the predominant trend there is those teams all acquired their franchise star through the draft... there is only 1 example on this list where the team acquired their franchise star via free agency... the Knicks are attempting to follow the exception to the trend & set a brand new precedent, which is to build a championship contender with 2 free agent signings... we'll see if the plan works out, but if u want to follow trends then you can't be very optimistic.

I'm actually thinking about some of the teams that recently tried to improve with cap room - trailblazers and pistons - and while they had second tier talent to choose from - in fact, part of the reason both teams added guys was their original team gave them up so they had nowhere else to go.

Hopefully, the talent and number of better players will be better- but if all we get is 'Ben Gordon', shoot me.

Pistons also invested hugely into re-upping Rip Hamilton to a big money extension as well along with supplementary talent like Charlie Villanueva & Jason Maxiell... so far they've had little success rebuilding that team using their cap space & are on currently on the hook for a ton of longterm salary with players you wouldn't really think can get them to where they're looking to get to... hopefully we don't repeat those same kinds of mistakes.

s3231 wrote:Houston had to be bad to get Hakeem.
Chicago had to be bad to get Jordan.
Knicks had to be bad to get Ewing.
San Antonio had to be bad to get Duncan.
Cleveland had to be bad to get LeBron.
Denver had to be bad to get Melo.
Miami had to be bad to get Wade.
Suns had to be bad to get Nash.
Seattle/Oklahoma City had to be bad to get Durant.
Knicks had to be bad to get *insert name*

Notice a trend?

BRIGGS, I'm sick of the losing too but the difference between now and the Isiah era is that even though we are losing right now, we are still going forward by gaining a lot of flexibility to improve quickly. Walsh has made several mistakes in my opinion, but overall, I think it's hard to deny that we are moving in the right direction.

Someone is going to come in here and say "Yeah, well pretty much all those guys you listed were obtained through the draft."

Donnie is obviously trying it a different way. We can't say that it will/won't work because we obviously have never seen the franchise with the biggest stage go all in like this.

It's awfully risky but hell, let's see if it works.

I think the thing that some people are mad at--including me is we give up a route to get better. We had the cap space. If things don't workout--Jordan Hill and two possibly high picks couldve been what you were looking for. We have no hedge if we are bad. I think in anything you do you try to keep a middle ground--I dont think the middle ground was kept here--it's either this works or were fcked.

nixluva wrote:One thing we don't know is how good Gallo will be. Let's remember that our own draft picks are still developing and could just as easily turn into the next star in this league. I for one haven't given up on any of them. Who said Gallo won't be the Next Dirk?

I think the position we are best at is the wing with Gallo and Chandler. Just me but if NO LBJ

Offer D Lee his 63-66mm over 6

Then offer Bosh Stoudemire and Boozer max 5 year contracts in that order.

Make sure we keep Baron and add one more 6-10++ guy who plays on the interior---that solidifies the frontcourt. You cant go in with a plan of filling the roster with SF and keeping the 5-1 and 6th man + bench weak.