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4/10/2010  2:07 AM
has really re-invented himself as a player in Phoenix. Shooting 44% from 3 and is 4th in the nba in 3pt made behind aaron brooks, gallo, and j-kidd.

he's 6'11. he has a player opt out. could he be the cheap discount C the knicks need? he'd be a LOT cheaper than bosh or amare and fits perfectly into this system. he's already played in NY and is from white plains. i know he doesn't get everything off the glass or block every shot, but he's a nice cheap alternative to the big names and at a fraction of the price.

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4/10/2010  2:15 AM
So he is simular to Okur or Bargnani ? If we are in an agreement that MDA wants this type of center, then why not?
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4/10/2010  2:44 AM
If I was him, I'd want to play with Steve Nash as long as the crafty Canadian stays an elite point guard.
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4/10/2010  7:29 AM
DrAlphaeus wrote:If I was him, I'd want to play with Steve Nash as long as the crafty Canadian stays an elite point guard.

Seriously. And he was born in White Plains but he was raised in Az (where he also went to college). Why would he leave the Suns?

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4/10/2010  8:40 AM
I am sold on Earl Barron as our starting center next year. If I am walsh, I give this guy at two year, $4 million dollar deal, with an option for a third year at say $2.5 million.
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4/10/2010  8:48 AM
Too soft-we don't know yet about Barron-vote for Barron, We need a middle presence to bang and let the opposition know there is a cost to going up the middle.
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4/10/2010  9:24 AM
Eww! No thanks! I don't care if Channing Frye fits for this awful coach, I don't want another sissy in the frontcourt.
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4/11/2010  2:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2010  2:12 PM
naw, he'd flop if he came back. He is the perfect example of a player who has flourished under the Nash effect.

Plus, duke is a lil' soft so you have to think about the psychological toll coming back would do to him, considering he was monumental bust here. I dont think he has the mental fortitude to overcome that. He's comfortable in Arizona.

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4/11/2010  2:20 PM
as i said in the other Channing Frye thread posted the other week:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34572

a Frye & Lee frontcourt =

the only way Frye makes sense for us is if we end up trading Gallo in a deal for a star player... otherwise what's the point? how many 3 point shooters do we need on this team? i know MDA pops a woodie if a guy can shoot the 3, but enough with these powder soft players that play no defense already & let's build a team that can actually compete against the elite teams of the NBA instead of gimmick let's see how fast we can build a house type offense.
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4/11/2010  2:23 PM
TheGame wrote:I am sold on Earl Barron as our starting center next year. If I am walsh, I give this guy at two year, $4 million dollar deal, with an option for a third year at say $2.5 million.

i'd say that's even overspending... for a guy like Barron we should be able to land him on a guaranteed $1M deal... beats the hell out of playing in the D Leagues & he'd see significant playing time in NY which affords him the chance to earn more in future contract negotiations, unlike if he went & signed with another team that's already set in their frontcourt as a backup.

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4/11/2010  3:43 PM
TMS wrote:as i said in the other Channing Frye thread posted the other week:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34572

a Frye & Lee frontcourt =

the only way Frye makes sense for us is if we end up trading Gallo in a deal for a star player... otherwise what's the point? how many 3 point shooters do we need on this team? i know MDA pops a woodie if a guy can shoot the 3, but enough with these powder soft players that play no defense already & let's build a team that can actually compete against the elite teams of the NBA instead of gimmick let's see how fast we can build a house type offense.

In this system all five starters should be able to knock down a 3....that's what we have to deal with as long as MDA is our coach..we can't put certain players out there that don't fit the system..we have to relize that we will remain a jump shooting team and in order to have success we have to have the players that fit the bill despite weather there soft or one demensional.

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4/11/2010  10:17 PM
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4/11/2010  10:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
TMS wrote:as i said in the other Channing Frye thread posted the other week:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34572

a Frye & Lee frontcourt =

the only way Frye makes sense for us is if we end up trading Gallo in a deal for a star player... otherwise what's the point? how many 3 point shooters do we need on this team? i know MDA pops a woodie if a guy can shoot the 3, but enough with these powder soft players that play no defense already & let's build a team that can actually compete against the elite teams of the NBA instead of gimmick let's see how fast we can build a house type offense.

In this system all five starters should be able to knock down a 3....that's what we have to deal with as long as MDA is our coach..we can't put certain players out there that don't fit the system..we have to relize that we will remain a jump shooting team and in order to have success we have to have the players that fit the bill despite weather there soft or one demensional.

i don't get or agree with that type of logic at all... the point is to put together a team that can contend for championships... at what point in the history of the NBA has a championship team been built with a no defensive soft frontcourt & comprised of 5 starters who could shoot the 3 pointer? are you saying those are the only players that are a good match for MDA? if that's the case, what's the point in building a team around a coach who can only work with a team full of jump shooters that's soft & 1 dimensional? makes absolutely no sense to me.

we need to build a team build around balance, not just guys who are all cut from the same mold... we need defensive minded players to offset the deficiencies of other guys... we need shooters to offset the offensive deficiencies of other guys... you need to strike a balance, regardless if MDA is going to coach this team or someone else... a Frye & Lee frontcourt would be the softest worst defending frontcourt in the NBA, pretty much what we've been witness to for a while... if u want Lee to work out you absolutely need to pair him up with a defensive minded C who can defend the post & block shots, not someone who's going to float on the perimeter launching 3's all game long.

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4/11/2010  10:48 PM
To be honest I want one more premiere frontcourt player to go along with Lee WITH the additions of two players who are atleast 7 feet tall.

If that's David Lee and Chris Bosh if it's Stuodemire and Lee if it's Boozer and Lee---it doesnt matter to me. I want 4 guys who can play in the frontcourt so that we are not overwhelmed game after game by size--and we start doing the bullying.

Having two 20-10 55% PF's is acceptable to me as long as we have two more guys we can interchange in terms of adding some shot-blocking and D at various parts of the game.

If you take an honest look at our team--our strong point is the wing area with Chandler and Gallo--we haev a good player in Lee but we need two premiere bigs to compete--we might end up with two elite PF's so you need two shotblockers or atleast guys who are 7 feet and will play inside for compliment and depth

Next--we need a starting PG and we dont have a ton of money to allocate that's why I believe IF we can really pump up the frontcourt--we can go out and spend 6mm on Livingston we have Douglas as back up and perhaps Duhon as a vet minimum and our pick could be a PG.

6th man position--important in the nBA and we will lose big al--it's better that he goes anyway. We use Curry's contract and if need be one of the 30 picks to go after a 6th man that makes sense--an excellent player who can also slide into the starting unit .

If we stick to a plan like this--we'll be much better next year.

If we try something like spending 90 of our loot on J Johnson and Rudy gay--were going to be punished for 5-7 years.

Go big with the money Lee and one of Stoudemire Bosh or Boozer.

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4/12/2010  12:18 AM
i think establishing a tough inside/outside tandem that can work the P&R to it's best effect & building your supplementary additions around that is our best bet... much like how MDA was using Nash & Amare in Phoenix... that was his best formula for success so if we're going to stick w/this head coach we should look to use the formula he's had his best success with... MDA is not a coach who will pound the ball inside to his frontcourt players all game long... but i agree w/u on Joe Johnson, not interested in signing him at a max contract at all.

IMO Livingston is not going to cut it as the only upgrade in the perimeter that you add... i think he'd make a nice supplementary addition but he's not exactly the most durable of players either so the injury questions will always linger when it comes to him...

i think other than acquiring that star player to build around this summer, adding an interior defensive presence should be the next thing on our list of priorities.

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4/12/2010  3:03 AM
i wouldnt mind adding carlos arroyos either, im not doubting livingtston skills as a player, i am not sure about his durability and his inability to hit the 3 which we know dantoni prefers from pgs to centers if he can.....

carlos and TD wouldnt be the greatest combo but i think they can do the job together if they have a decent cast.
the price for livingston briggs suggest is quite a lot considering his chances of rehurting himself are quite high.

i dont think sergio is a bad player but he isnt fully there yet either unless he can develop a consistant 3point shot. With that said, i would prefer carlos arroyo, i think he has the bettter handle and decision making of tony douglas and sergio but im not sure about his ability to attack the rim.

there are so many routes the knicks can go this summer it isnt even funny, thats what this tmac trade was about. If they didnt do that trade they wouldnt be able to resign lee or add a player with lebron or wade and another BIG. But they could have used those picks/jordan hill for a S/T.

In the end, we will have to see if the knicks will be patient and add only good deals if lebron/flash/amare/bosh fail.... or will they overpay and try to their best efforts to get in the playoffs with a mediocre team.

If they trade eddy curry for a usefull player, even if a bad contract, if he can be productive its controversial if they should pull the deal for the ben gordons, ok4, brand, gilbert, etc. if they choose to go with that direction, they can also get a midlevel exception for 2011 or sign another player with eddys expiring. but if they are going to let him expire we will have to decide chandlers/walker/giddens and how they would effect the chance to add another player if we resign or let them go....

another route i see them taking is Yao Ming/ Dirk to go together or with the david lee/amare,bosh,boozer combo.

these are all my opinions and i hope u guys can see the points and possible directions the knicks will have.
Im not sure how much earl could be seeking this summer but if hes affordable i would like to see him back. He reminds me of a more athletic kurt thomas, without the crazy toughness.

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4/12/2010  4:39 AM
iSergio wrote:Eww! No thanks! I don't care if Channing Frye fits for this awful coach, I don't want another sissy in the frontcourt.

agreed

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4/12/2010  9:29 AM
With all our new found cap space, we can sign David Lee, Channing Frye AND Nate Robinson.
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4/12/2010  9:33 AM
VDesai wrote:With all our new found cap space, we can sign David Lee, Channing Frye AND Nate Robinson.

that's so crazy it just might work.

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4/12/2010  11:16 AM
Marv wrote:
VDesai wrote:With all our new found cap space, we can sign David Lee, Channing Frye AND Nate Robinson.

that's so crazy it just might work.

u need a playoff battle tested legit 7 footer to play with those guys... they don't grow on trees!... i hear Jerome Big Game James is available... we should snatch him up to a full MLE type contract & complete that championship core.

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