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NYKBocker
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4/9/2010  11:28 AM
This is assuming we sign DLee to a reasonable hefty contract (5 year $50 million) and don't sign the big FAs (i.e. LeBron, Wade)

Marcus Camby - We need a center so we can move DLee back to PF. We have seen what a serviceable 7 footer can do to DLee's game. Camby should be offered a year deal worth $5 million. This still sets us up for Summer 2011. Hello Carmelo.

Joe Alexander - This kid has been labeled a bust but was touted, even in UK, to be a dynamic player. He fits the D'Antoni mold in that he likes to play in transition. Sign him for a 1year min and go from there.

Carlos Arroyo - Offer him a 1 year min. I want to go with a TD, Sergio, Arroyo as my PGs.

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4/9/2010  11:29 AM
I only want 1 year contracts to setup us up for Carmelo.
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4/9/2010  11:35 AM
After we spend on 2 MAX FA's - hopefully - we won't have much cap room to sign players but I'd target Anthony Johnson, Raja Bell, Tim Thomas, Matt Bonner and Kurt Thomas as bench players.
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4/9/2010  12:37 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I only want 1 year contracts to setup us up for Carmelo.

I would love Melo too but, why on earth would he leave a team arguable just a piece away from truly challenging the Lakers and everyone else out east. If anything I would think FA's would look to sign on there for cheap as opposed to him leaving.

Not wanting to rain on anyone's parade but, is just seems very unlikely

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
NYKBocker
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4/9/2010  12:46 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I only want 1 year contracts to setup us up for Carmelo.

I would love Melo too but, why on earth would he leave a team arguable just a piece away from truly challenging the Lakers and everyone else out east. If anything I would think FA's would look to sign on there for cheap as opposed to him leaving.

Not wanting to rain on anyone's parade but, is just seems very unlikely

Well. We can say that about all the top FAs. LeBron, Wade and now Melo.

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4/9/2010  12:46 PM
CJ Watson, who is as good as Mo Williams, who currently plays with....
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4/9/2010  1:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2010  1:29 PM
i have my doubts whether Lee will accept a contract at $10M per... not when guys like Boris Diaw are making $9M per & Manu G is about to sign an extension that will pay him $13M per annually at 32 years of age.

forget Joe Alexander, he stinks... we're better off with Bill Walker

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4/9/2010  1:31 PM
TMS wrote:i have my doubts whether Lee will accept a contract at $10M per... not when guys like Boris Diaw are making $9M per & Manu G is about to sign an extension that will pay him $13M per annually at 32 years of age.

forget Joe Alexander, he stinks... we're better off with Bill Walker

What do you think is a contract that DLee will accept?

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4/9/2010  1:32 PM
some reasonable contract FA's u could possibly land this summer that will be productive:

Luis Scola
Drew Gooden
Brendan Haywood
Marcus Camby
Kyle Lowry
Raja Bell

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4/9/2010  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2010  1:36 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:i have my doubts whether Lee will accept a contract at $10M per... not when guys like Boris Diaw are making $9M per & Manu G is about to sign an extension that will pay him $13M per annually at 32 years of age.

forget Joe Alexander, he stinks... we're better off with Bill Walker

What do you think is a contract that DLee will accept?

personally i think it will take something like $12M per to land him in free agency... any team that can't land the top max names will be looking at guys like Lee to bolster their teams this summer... Lee, Boozer, Gay, Pierce... i think all those guys will go for around that average dollar mark...

originally i had Manu G pegged at around $10M per but he's getting way more, so i might even be a bit conservative in this market.

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4/9/2010  2:02 PM
Again, Walsh was asleep at the wheel with DLEE. I firmly believe if another team offered him a 5 year deal starting at $8 million he would have signed it. Walsh should have locked the kid up right away and did his homework.

Now we are in no mans land and are not getting a free agent and just traded our lottery selection and next years lottery selection. Walsh will end up overpaying some scrub free agent Allan Houston style.

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4/9/2010  2:17 PM
NYKBocker wrote:This is assuming we sign DLee to a reasonable hefty contract (5 year $50 million) and don't sign the big FAs (i.e. LeBron, Wade)

Marcus Camby - We need a center so we can move DLee back to PF. We have seen what a serviceable 7 footer can do to DLee's game. Camby should be offered a year deal worth $5 million. This still sets us up for Summer 2011. Hello Carmelo.

Joe Alexander - This kid has been labeled a bust but was touted, even in UK, to be a dynamic player. He fits the D'Antoni mold in that he likes to play in transition. Sign him for a 1year min and go from there.

Carlos Arroyo - Offer him a 1 year min. I want to go with a TD, Sergio, Arroyo as my PGs.


I dont think you have seen Alexander or Arroyo play recently because if you did you would know D'Antoni will have them glued to the bench. We'd have to send Alexander to the D-League for a year or 2 minimum unless we got Steve Nash/Jason Kidd at PG.
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4/9/2010  2:42 PM
MS wrote:Again, Walsh was asleep at the wheel with DLEE. I firmly believe if another team offered him a 5 year deal starting at $8 million he would have signed it. Walsh should have locked the kid up right away and did his homework.

Now we are in no mans land and are not getting a free agent and just traded our lottery selection and next years lottery selection. Walsh will end up overpaying some scrub free agent Allan Houston style.


DW's style is to wait and let the market determine what a guy can get. I think in Lee's case he didn't want to play his hand early since there was no way to know what would happen with Lebron and the Cav's or Bosh etc. Also since Lee has been on a continual path of improvement but it's hard to know how far he was gonna go. Now we know for sure who Lee is. He finally locked down his jumper and he's a great Point Forward, but his D is weak. He's not an elite PF, but he's on the next tier down. So I think it was a risk, but a good risk. Suppose DW can convince 2 max guys to sign, then Lee would just be in the way. Now we have that cap space in case. Plus remember that we don't have to renounce Lee's Bird Rights until we actually have a deal in place, so we'll always be in the power position.
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4/9/2010  3:06 PM
TMS wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:i have my doubts whether Lee will accept a contract at $10M per... not when guys like Boris Diaw are making $9M per & Manu G is about to sign an extension that will pay him $13M per annually at 32 years of age.

forget Joe Alexander, he stinks... we're better off with Bill Walker

What do you think is a contract that DLee will accept?

personally i think it will take something like $12M per to land him in free agency... any team that can't land the top max names will be looking at guys like Lee to bolster their teams this summer... Lee, Boozer, Gay, Pierce... i think all those guys will go for around that average dollar mark...

originally i had Manu G pegged at around $10M per but he's getting way more, so i might even be a bit conservative in this market.

TMS... we dont need to start Lee that high. If we offer Lee a contract that starts at $9.5 it would total 6 years/$74.2mm with the raises. For another team to even match that total contract value they would have to start at $12.5mm and that would still be less than (5 years/$73.3mm).

Also factor that Lee very much wants to be here. I think if you offer him 6 years $74mm that starts at $9.5 he takes that. He can opt out after 3 years and sign a max deal if he's a superstar.

That would leave you about $25mm in cap space. If Lebron and Wade resign you give Amare $17mm, Livingston $2mm, Mike Miller $6mm and we are
pg Douglas
sg Miller
sf Gallo
pf Lee
c Amare
bench: Chandler, Livingston, Barron

Pretty good start IMO.

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4/9/2010  3:25 PM
fishmike wrote:
TMS wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:i have my doubts whether Lee will accept a contract at $10M per... not when guys like Boris Diaw are making $9M per & Manu G is about to sign an extension that will pay him $13M per annually at 32 years of age.

forget Joe Alexander, he stinks... we're better off with Bill Walker

What do you think is a contract that DLee will accept?

personally i think it will take something like $12M per to land him in free agency... any team that can't land the top max names will be looking at guys like Lee to bolster their teams this summer... Lee, Boozer, Gay, Pierce... i think all those guys will go for around that average dollar mark...

originally i had Manu G pegged at around $10M per but he's getting way more, so i might even be a bit conservative in this market.

TMS... we dont need to start Lee that high. If we offer Lee a contract that starts at $9.5 it would total 6 years/$74.2mm with the raises. For another team to even match that total contract value they would have to start at $12.5mm and that would still be less than (5 years/$73.3mm).

Also factor that Lee very much wants to be here. I think if you offer him 6 years $74mm that starts at $9.5 he takes that. He can opt out after 3 years and sign a max deal if he's a superstar.

That would leave you about $25mm in cap space. If Lebron and Wade resign you give Amare $17mm, Livingston $2mm, Mike Miller $6mm and we are
pg Douglas
sg Miller
sf Gallo
pf Lee
c Amare
bench: Chandler, Livingston, Barron

Pretty good start IMO.

i realize we don't need to start Lee that high, but it still averages out to $12M per... the idea of him taking up upwards of $15-16M in cap space in the final year of his deal with a backloaded contract is pretty repulsive to me.

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4/9/2010  3:34 PM
MS wrote:Again, Walsh was asleep at the wheel with DLEE. I firmly believe if another team offered him a 5 year deal starting at $8 million he would have signed it. Walsh should have locked the kid up right away and did his homework.

Now we are in no mans land and are not getting a free agent and just traded our lottery selection and next years lottery selection. Walsh will end up overpaying some scrub free agent Allan Houston style.

Correct me if I am wrong
but I thought the 1st orig. deal NY offered D.Lee agent $32 mil and 4 yrs ? Why didnt they take it unless it was a hearsay rumor in 2009

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4/9/2010  3:51 PM
repulsive? We are talking sports here... yes, my scenario means Lee's last year would be very large. Pick your poison. $9mm for Lee is a bargain. You said so yourself (he's worth $12mm). So you save now and pay later. The point is every $$ you save now is another $$ you can use to sign other players. Thats really what this is about. I think the Knicks would be perfectly fine to have an $80mm payroll if they were winning 55-60 games every year. I know I wouldnt care.
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4/9/2010  4:10 PM
fishmike wrote:repulsive? We are talking sports here... yes, my scenario means Lee's last year would be very large. Pick your poison. $9mm for Lee is a bargain. You said so yourself (he's worth $12mm). So you save now and pay later. The point is every $$ you save now is another $$ you can use to sign other players. Thats really what this is about. I think the Knicks would be perfectly fine to have an $80mm payroll if they were winning 55-60 games every year. I know I wouldnt care.

yes repulsive... Allan Houston at $20M on our books was pretty repulsive too if i remember correctly... a $9M per average salary would be fine with me, but you're talking an entirely different scenario... i would much rather save the money i'd have to spend on Lee & use it on other FA's who will be able to fill the PF role & address other needs, much in the same way you wanted to do the same over signing Chris Bosh just a few weeks ago before you switched your stance on it.

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